Eaton Swap

[tjl006]

Just started eaton swap tonight. Hope to be done in a couple of weeks.

[Dj1]

Goodluck :2thumbs:

[DOOM]

Yet another soon to be S/C brother. :burnout:
Pretty soon there's gonna be more S/C marauders than N/A ones. :up:

[Mr. Man]

Yet another soon to be S/C brother. :burnout:
Pretty soon there's gonna be more S/C marauders than N/A ones. :up:
....Maybe but I don't think the pink will catch on Van WinkleDoom:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

Congrats Tom. Give me a ring if you need anything

[burt ragio]

Nice going. Keep the pics comming.

[RR|Suki]

S/C invasion

[justbob]

All the luck brother!

[offroadkarter]

And i still remember 2 years ago when this was "impossible"


HA! GL with the swap sir!

[tjl006]

Got some work done today. What a pain to clearance the lower intake for the evenflow cooling mod.

[ImpalaSlayer]

lookin good man! you coolant tube under the intake cracks me up. a little scarey beatiing the crap outa it eh? looks almost identical to mine.

[LANDY]

coming along!

[ImpalaSlayer]

ha@! i also just notices you block off plate for the EGR same amount of orange goo spewing out as mine too!

[tjl006]

I didnt email you asking how many ounces of rtv ultra copper to use on the egr plate?:D Yea hammering the coolant tube was slightly nerve racking

[bob6364]

GA... Thats it 'm gonna start mine this week.....

[FordNut]

lookin good man! you coolant tube under the intake cracks me up. a little scarey beatiing the crap outa it eh? looks almost identical to mine.

Why don't y'all just get a Cobra tube? That smashed tube is probably going to restrict flow to thru the heater core, might not keep you warm enough in the wintertime.

[-Matt-]

Why don't y'all just get a Cobra tube? That smashed tube is probably going to restrict flow to thru the heater core, might not keep you warm enough in the wintertime.


Who needs heat when you have adrenaline to keep you warm. :D

[FordNut]

Who needs heat when you have adrenaline to keep you warm. :D

There have been hundreds of posts on here complaining about lack of heat.

[justbob]

Ok, I'll be the first..............Are you done yet?

[tjl006]

Finished up today. Everything is done minus tune.

[ImpalaSlayer]

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the eaton family grows stronger :cool:

Tom, PM me, ill get you a tune

[ntd]

Ok, I'll be the first..............Are you done yet?

:rolleyes: how is going to start the official tjl006 are you done yet thread

[Paul]

Did you buy a kit, or gather the pieces yourself? Do you mind telling what the total cost of the components was? I went with the centri kit from DR because I could not afford the Trilogy at the time, and DIY was supposed to be impossible.

[burt ragio]

ha@! i also just notices you block off plate for the EGR same amount of orange goo spewing out as mine too!

Dave - enlighten me useing a block off plate for the EGR. Does that means the EGR pipe from the exhaust manafold is also elimianted ? The other thing whats up with the coolant flow at the rear of the block brass T is that the oem route ?

FordNut- - useing the cobra tube is a great recomendation.

TJ006 - your pics show one clean conversion.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Burt, all I did was get a cap with the right threads and put it on the. Egr tiube.

My total cost was 2800 bucks

[Glockafella]

Burt, all I did was get a cap with the right threads and put it on the. Egr tiube.

My total cost was 2800 bucks


:beer::bows::bows:

I am going to do this, someone do a write up!!!

[Speed]

:beer::bows::bows:

I am going to do this, someone do a write up!!!
+1 what he said and where to get it, please. $2, 800 :awe: I'm definitely going to put this on the thing to do list NOW.

[ImpalaSlayer]

+1 what he said and where to get it, please. $2, 800 :awe: I'm definitely going to put this on the thing to do list NOW.

the price can vary because mostly everything is used, some times you can find a deal some times you gotta pay a bit more.

[Brian H]

How much for the OEM upper plenum?.... P.S. deffinetly a BAD ASS setup.

[Paul]

Burt, all I did was get a cap with the right threads and put it on the. Egr tiube.

My total cost was 2800 bucks


Sweet. Future project to piss my wife off with. Thanks!

[tjl006]

Here is a partial parts list:
Eaton conversion brackets(available from a member of this site)$465

03/04 Lower cobra intake and intercooler $650 used

Eaton m112 $340 (thanks to dpotter!!)used

Cobra intake tube $20.50 (ebay make sure the rubber coupler on the end is not damaged otherwise it wont grip the throttle body, had to modify mine by cutting part of intake tube and using a silicone coupler from my jlt intake) used

Mafia mass airflow extender $80 used

39lb fuel injectors $85 used

Heat Exchanger $168.00 from http://www.frozenboost.com/product_info.php?products_id=1 063

4lb lower pulley $45.00 used

ford gt fuel pump $70.00 used

3.10 Steeda blower pulley $80 got from american muscle. Mine was a rusting a little decided I would paint it brown, this was a bad idea should of sent it back. american muscle is a good company to deal with they ship quick

Lethal performance boost a pump $125.00 used

Gates micro v green stripe fleetliner belts:
K061000hd and K080537hd both together about $60.00 got from apartsdepot.com

MAF $65.00

more to come.....

[hotford]

more detailed pics would be great of the install, great alternative with the same results as the trilogy kit.

looks good.:banana2:

[burt ragio]

TJL006 - I see in your parts list the intercooler that I understand. Whats up with the heat exchanger from Frozen Boost is that needed or is that an extra for extra coolant cooling ? What size maf did you use ?

[ImpalaSlayer]

TJL006 - I see in your parts list the intercooler that I understand. Whats up with the heat exchanger from Frozen Boost is that needed or is that an extra for extra coolant cooling ? What size maf did you use ?

you can use the factory cobra heatexchanger if you want Kurt, thats what i did. Tom just went for the better one from frozen boost. i will probably be going to the same one for my new set up. i dont wana answer for Tom but it looks like he used the factory cobra mass air which is more then enough. if you max it out just throw on a diablo mafia mass extender.

[tjl006]

Originally I got a factory used cobra heat exchanger. The seller was a scam artist, he said the exchanger was new, it looked like some one sat there and threw rocks at it. So I enede up buying the frozen boost unit and fabing up some brackets for it. The maf is a 90mm lightning maf with mafia extender.

[Glockafella]

Great thread fellers, I'm taking notes.

[ImpalaSlayer]

nice Tom. i didnt know the frozen boost came with brackets on it. definitly getting one now. i sort of rigged up my cobra HE

[tjl006]

yeah it comes with 4tabs welded on. These picture were during the mock up stage. The final brackets I used some spacers, all the same hardware and painted the brackets black.

[hotford]

here's a thought, lets take this install a step further, if this kit goes on this nice, the next upgrade would be a whipple 2.3 for a cobra! I am assuming that this would work just as easy!
There's lots of 2.3 forsale on SVT performance.:banana:

[ImpalaSlayer]

here's a thought, lets take this install a step further, if this kit goes on this nice, the next upgrade would be a whipple 2.3 for a cobra! I am assuming that this would work just as easy!
There's lots of 2.3 forsale on SVT performance.:banana:
once the eaton is on and in its pretty much as easy as swapping the blower. several people on here have whipples.

[hotford]

once the eaton is on and in its pretty much as easy as swapping the blower. several people on here have whipples.

lets get them to post some pics!!:banana2:

[ImpalaSlayer]

lets get them to post some pics!!:banana2:
they have when they built there cars...

search whipple, you should find fordnut's car and Zacks car. maybe even the other Zak.

[tjl006]

Breaking news!! Dyno numbers are in 406hp and 426ftlbs. Will post up pictures of the dyno sheet later.:D

[ImpalaSlayer]

Breaking news!! Dyno numbers are in 406hp and 426ftlbs. Will post up pictures of the dyno sheet later.:D


nice Tom! you dont have LTs i guess then right? how much boost does it make?

[tjl006]

the maximum boost it hit was 16psi.

[ImpalaSlayer]

the maximum boost it hit was 16psi.
holy crap! well thats would make sense since you are running a +4 pulley to my +2. how much timing?

[RR|Suki]

<-- wants 16 psi

[ImpalaSlayer]

<---wants his^ motor :D

[tjl006]

Dont remeber, tuner told me but i forgot. Air fuel ratio avg.11.5 and as straight as an arrow.

[tjl006]

Also my dyno tune was done on a mustang dyno if that makes a difference.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Dont remeber, tuner told me but i forgot. Air fuel ratio avg.11.5 and as straight as an arrow.

so how long till a new motor? lol

[tjl006]

Till you buy me an aluminator crate motor dave;)

[ImpalaSlayer]

Till you buy me an aluminator crate motor dave;)

HA! i wish i could buy my own!

[burt ragio]

Sixteen lbs of boost I assume you have forged internals ?

[tjl006]

no stock internals.

[FordNut]

Tick tock tick tock.....













BOOM!

[Vortech347]

As soon as I finish the 03' cobra guts swap into our 01' i'll be doing this as well.

[Glockafella]

is 9 lbs of boost about the max on a stock motor?

[RR|Suki]

is 9 lbs of boost about the max on a stock motor?

depends on the blower, "9psi" is different from blower to blower, motor to motor, exhasut mods etc. For example I run 9psi on with my blower and make 530 or so at the wheels

[03MERCMARAUDER]

Very nice car. Shows how long its been since I have been on here now you guys are doing eaton swaps. Always wondered if it could be done. Very nice. makes me wish i was able to take it off your hands

Joe

[Commodore Crap]

My cousin has a 04 Cobra and he's getting a F1 A ProCharger for it.
He has offered me first dibbs on everything, and this seems like a very doable build.
You guys will definately be hearing from me in the next few weeks.
I would love to join the Eaton club.

-ryan s.

[SC Cheesehead]

My cousin has a 04 Cobra and he's getting a F1 A ProCharger for it.
He has offered me first dibbs on everything, and this seems like a very doable build.
You guys will definately be hearing from me in the next few weeks.
I would love to join the Eaton club.

-ryan s.

You lucky dog, you!

[Zack]

Awesome to finally see the pics! Looks beautiful if I say so myself, congrats.


Tell me though.... The passenger side Cooling Mod.... you did have to make further modifications to it, correct? Or did you go all out on the lower intake?

Do tell!

[DOOM]

Jeesh so many S/C MM's !
Thats a beautiful thing! :burnout:

[Commodore Crap]

Questions:
1: Will a Cobra timing chain cover work on our motor, for the Eaton swap?

2: I know i'll need a bigger fuel pump. I was going to go with a 255LPH pump. With that, do i need the boost-a-pump?

3: Does anyone know off hand if the Cobra came with the 39# injectors? And i take it that it would have enough flow to support the Eaton.

4: Do you need a bigger MAF? Or does it just make things easier?

5: Did the lower intake manifold come with the heat exchanger/intercooler pump?

Thanks guys.

-ryan s.

[Zack]

Questions:
1: Will a Cobra timing chain cover work on our motor, for the Eaton swap?
Not Needed, use the MM one
2: I know i'll need a bigger fuel pump. I was going to go with a 255LPH pump. With that, do i need the boost-a-pump?
GT Pump with a BAP is good
3: Does anyone know off hand if the Cobra came with the 39# injectors? And i take it that it would have enough flow to support the Eaton.
Yes they did, 39#'ers came stock
4: Do you need a bigger MAF? Or does it just make things easier?
Get a Cobra/Lightning MAF with a MAFia
5: Did the lower intake manifold come with the heat exchanger/intercooler pump?
All parts are sold seperately unless you find a package deal used.
Thanks guys.

-ryan s.

Hope this helps

[RR|Suki]

Hope this helps

He said earlier that his cousin is putting an F1 on his 04 Cobra or something like that.

If that's the case just give the cuz the upper and lower intake and take his blower, lower intake etc. profit

[Zack]

He said earlier that his cousin is putting an F1 on his 04 Cobra or something like that.

If that's the case just give the cuz the upper and lower intake and take his blower, lower intake etc. profit

Procharger kits for Terminators utilize the stock lower manifold and intercooler.
No dice there.

[Commodore Crap]

It does help immensely. Thanks Zack.

My cousin and I are starting his build next week. Just needed to ask the questions now so i know what i can take from his Cobra, and what i need to buy.

Thanks again!

Soon to be boosted,

-ryan s.

[Commodore Crap]

He said earlier that his cousin is putting an F1 on his 04 Cobra or something like that.

If that's the case just give the cuz the upper and lower intake and take his blower, lower intake etc. profit

He already has an upper intake. But, since I'm starting a powder coating/ sandblasting/ ceramic coating business in the next month or two, he needs his blasted and done in black. So, i'm sure we are going to work things out.

-ryan s.

[FordNut]

Procharger kits for Terminators utilize the stock lower manifold and intercooler.
No dice there.

True, but a better way to setup the Procharger kit may be to use an air-air intercooler and a different intake manifold. I don't recall the manufacturer, there is an aftermarket short runner intake that works really good with the turbos and centrifugals.

[RR|Suki]

Procharger kits for Terminators utilize the stock lower manifold and intercooler.
No dice there.

well that's poopy

[Commodore Crap]

Well I'll ask him if he'd want the short runner aftermarket intake. I'll go search the interwebs for it.

[tjl006]

For the head cooling mod you need to grind material off the intake manifold and the adapter piece that goes into the freeze plug hole. I had to to grind five or six times before I got enough material off. thanks for the compilments, could not of done it without your original thread.:beer:. Still got some kinks in the tune to work out but she runs pretty good otherwise.

[Commodore Crap]

Sweet. Did you tow the car to the tuner? Or did you drive untuned?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Sweet. Did you tow the car to the tuner? Or did you drive untuned?

when i did mine i got a base tune from my tuner and drove it up.

[Commodore Crap]

Ok. I have the Xcal3. So i can pretty much get a basic S/C tune and then take it to the tuner?

Now i'm really excited about going home!! S/C Marauder !!!

-ryan s.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Ok. I have the Xcal3. So i can pretty much get a basic S/C tune and then take it to the tuner?

Now i'm really excited about going home!! S/C Marauder !!!

-ryan s.

yes sir just tell your tuner all you specs and he should be able to get it pretty close

[Commodore Crap]

Excellent! I am stoked! Ready to boost!!

Thanks for all the info guys!!

-ryan s.

[tjl006]

+1 on the startup tune. Give him all your specs and mods. He will get you a tune to get you running

[Commodore Crap]

I don't mean to threadjack, but this is a VERY helpful Eaton-swap thread. Im glad TJ, that your swap turned out to be successful.

I talked to my cousin last night and we settled at $1300. I get:
-Eaton m112 with a few pulleys
-lower intake with intercooler
-All injectors and fuel rails
-JLT intake
-244???? MAF-it's aftermarket
-aftermarket intercooler
-1 gal aftermarket cooler resevoir
-all piping and tubing
-fuel pump and Boost a Pump

and i we're doing the swap at my other cousin's "Batcave". Side by side.

So all i need is
- Bracket adapters
- Belts
- Battery relocate kit
- New spark plugs

(if there's anything else I'm missing, please let me know)

Now, I'm going to change the plugs because they havent been changed in a while.
Should i go colder? And what brand would you recoomend?

And who do i have to talk to about the brackets?

Thanks for everything guys! When i do the install, i'll do a write up with loads of pics!

-ryan s.

[Zack]

...its the coolant crossover modification that makes it all fun!

You wont use the 1gal reservoir on the MM, not enough room.
You wont use the intercooler piping and hoses, just make your own.
I dont see the IC pump/bracket listed
You need a GT Supercar Fuel Pump. (PFB-81...Ford Short #)
You need the alternator non-clutched pulley
DY754 IAT sensor and corresponding pigtail.
DEFINITELY do the cooling mod!

Im sure im forgetting something

[FordNut]

I don't mean to threadjack, but this is a VERY helpful Eaton-swap thread. Im glad TJ, that your swap turned out to be successful.

I talked to my cousin last night and we settled at $1300. I get:
-Eaton m112 with a few pulleys
-lower intake with intercooler
-All injectors and fuel rails
-JLT intake
-244???? MAF-it's aftermarket
-aftermarket intercooler
-1 gal aftermarket cooler resevoir
-all piping and tubing
-fuel pump and Boost a Pump

and i we're doing the swap at my other cousin's "Batcave". Side by side.

So all i need is
- Bracket adapters
- Belts
- Battery relocate kit
- New spark plugs

(if there's anything else I'm missing, please let me know)

Now, I'm going to change the plugs because they havent been changed in a while.
Should i go colder? And what brand would you recoomend?

And who do i have to talk to about the brackets?

Thanks for everything guys! When i do the install, i'll do a write up with loads of pics!

-ryan s.

Gortch for the brackets.
Close down the plug gaps. TR6IX work pretty good.
Intercooler pump & pigtail.
Relay for wiring up the pump.


...its the coolant crossover modification that makes it all fun!

You wont use the 1gal reservoir on the MM, not enough room.
You wont use the intercooler piping and hoses, just make your own.
I dont see the IC pump/bracket listed
You need a GT Supercar Fuel Pump. (PFB-81...Ford Short #)
You need the alternator non-clutched pulley
DY754 IAT sensor and corresponding pigtail.
DEFINITELY do the cooling mod!

Im sure im forgetting something

Stock Cobra intercooler reservoir.

Should be easy to just get the pigtail and wire up the OEM Cobra IAT sensor instead of drilling & tapping for the Lightning one then blocking off the Cobra mtg hole.

EGR blockoff plate and plug/cap for the manifold/header fitting.

MAFia

Wiring mods for relocated TPS, MAF, IAT, IAC, Alternator

[tjl006]

Depending how many miles you got on your car I recomend replacing all te idler pullies and the belt tensioner. Its alot easier to do without the gortch brackets on the car. Its a good idea to add another tranny cooler while your at it.

[Zack]

Depending how many miles you got on your car I recomend replacing all te idler pullies and the belt tensioner. Its alot easier to do without the gortch brackets on the car. Its a good idea to add another tranny cooler while your at it.

Dont wast money on idler pullies!

Take your butt to NAPA and buy a good quality 6203 Double Sealed Bearing for about 8 bucks and just replace that!

Tha idler itself never wears out, lol.

[tjl006]

Tried that, pressing the bearings in is a pain. If you have a good press I am sure its fine. I was using my friends arbor press couldnt get the bearing to go in straight, flat idler tracked crooked. New idler is 20-30bucks.

[Zack]

Tried that, pressing the bearings in is a pain. If you have a good press I am sure its fine. I was using my friends arbor press couldnt get the bearing to go in straight, flat idler tracked crooked. New idler is 20-30bucks.

All you need is the correct sized 1/2" socket and a flat surface, they go right in and out.

[FordNut]

Just put them in straight and they're fine. Maybe use some loctite... green.

[ImpalaSlayer]

All you need is the correct sized 1/2" socket and a flat surface, they go right in and out.

That's what she said

[Commodore Crap]

Zack-
- I'll see if he still has the stock one
- I'll make my own hoses and piping.
- Let me get home and see about the IC pump and junk.
- I'll get the Fuel pump. Do i need the get a FDPM? On Lethalperformance.com, they recommend upgrading it so that it doesn't overload the circuit. Yes? No?
- I'll get the pulley. Would that come from a under drive pulley kit? Or should i just order it individually?
- I'll snag the IAT


- The cooling mod is a must. It was on the list in my head. Thanks for the heads up.

And the second trans cooler is a must now. I have a 3500 stall in there now.

I can do the bearings at work. We have some kick-ass presses.

Once i get home, I'll start my own build thread.

Thanks again guys!

-ryan s.

[tjl006]

I got a crank pulley if you want it, its a 2lb one piece lower. Bolts right to stock balancer. A 2lb lower with the stock eaton upper should give you around 10psi. Ideal setup is probably stock upper and 4lb lower 12psi. Fpdm should be fine.

[jdenning002]

Can I get a complete list of parts needed for the kit/ swap??

Thanks in advance!

[FordNut]

Can I get a complete list of parts needed for the kit/ swap??

Thanks in advance!

I don't think it exists.

It won't be a smog legal mod for Kalifornia.

[SC Cheesehead]

Can I get a complete list of parts needed for the kit/ swap??

Thanks in advance!

Zack and tjl006 both had threads that contained lists and pricing, I don't have the links handy, but a seach for both those guys should turn them up.

[bob6364]

Can I get a complete list of parts needed for the kit/ swap??

Thanks in advance!

This will get you close.....

Eaton Supercharger

Eaton Lower

Stock Plenum

Intercooler

Water Outlet

Intercooler Reservoir

swap brackets (conversion brackets) Gortch search him MM.net nice guy...

Cobra intake tube and MAF

Billetflow 3.4 pulley, non-slip (hood clearance)

IAT sensor; DY-754 /pigtail; WPT-322

Throttle Bracket 2R3Z9728BA and Cable 2R3Z9A758AA

Intercooler pump

Intercooler pump wiring pigtail 3U2Z14S411BJA / WPT260

K&N RE-0870 Air Filter

Metco MAF to Air filter adapter plate

39lb fuel injectors min

Belt tensioner; 2R3Z-6B209-AA /Alternator Pulley; F5OY-10344-F

LFP Quick Change Lower Pulley Kit 2003-04 Mustang Cobra 2# pulley

Kenne Bell Boost A Pump 40amp

Ford GT fuel pump

Heat Exchanger

[Zack]

^^^ Great info!

I recommend the 3.1 upper though, it will interfere less with the hood.
Adjust the lower size accordingly.

[jdenning002]

Thanks guys, I am close to buying an eaton with lower intake, etc to throw on my shelf for later...