Replacement performance engine sought

[Lowndex]

I am replacing my 2004 stock 4.61L, 4V short block with a high performance 5.3L Stroker engine using forged internals. In addition, I am replacing the entire suspension system, transmission, engine components, exhaust, brake system, wheels and tires. This build will be extensive and a long journey. MOs Speed Shop (https://www.facebook.com/MosSpeedShop/) took over the build in 2019.

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Engine:
• Livernois (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/engine-build-services) custom build aluminum Big Bore Stroker 5.3L, V8, 4V. All forged internals. Based off the Livernois 323ci-Big-Bore-Stroker-Boss-Iron-Pro-Series-Shortblock, but machined for a 4V, 5.3L Stroker.
- Displacement 5.3L/323ci
- Compression:9.5:1
• Engine component balancing, cylinder block preparation and cylinder head machining (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/pages/Machine-Shop-Services.html)
• Bullet race camshafts (http://www.bulletcams.com/)
• Trick Flow Modular followers (https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-52900515)
• Hydraulic Lifters & Lash Adjusters (https://www.trickflow.com/parts/tfs-21400008-16)
• Scat Pro Series Lightweight crankshaft (http://www.scatcrankshafts.com/about-crankshafts/)
• Diamond Race pistons (http://www.diamondracing.net/)
• Manley H-Beam connecting rods, upgraded ARP2000 bolts (http://www.manleyperformance.com/master_catalog.shtml)
• Manley custom titanium valves and springs (http://www.manleyperformance.com/master_catalog.shtml)
• Clevite tri-metal bearings (http://www.mahle-aftermarket.com/na/en/products-and-services/performance-products/engine-bearings/index.jsp)
• Cometic MLS stainless steel gaskets for heads, exhaust, oil pan (http://www.cometic.com/c-1280258-automotive-domestic-mls-head-gaskets.html)
• Balanced and Blueprinted (http://www.rpmrons.com/Balance.html)
• Cyro Freeze (http://www.300below.com/motorsports/) engine block and all components
• Meta-Lax vibration stress relief (https://books.google.com/books?id=yEe6nll_wdEC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22metalax%22+engine+compon ents&source=bl&ots=fqQ8-FDrrH&sig=RYcujdBHvDVBhZjsUdYrvoExLN M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dK1OVYHDCcu9sAXLroHgCA&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22metalax%22%20engine%20com ponents&f=false) engine block and all components

Engine Components:
• MMR billet geared oil pump (http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.c om/cart/index.php?main_page=product_in fo&cPath=2&products_id=324)
• MMR "TraX Pack" Oil cooler System (http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.c om/cart/index.php?main_page=product_in fo&cPath=2&products_id=444)
• MMR front and rear head cooling mod (http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.c om/cart/index.php?main_page=product_in fo&cPath=3&products_id=514)
• Mishimoto performance radiator (https://www.mishimoto.com/ford-mustang-97-04-radiator-stabilizer-automatic.html) with Russell Performance Pro Flex stainless steel braided hoses (http://www.russellperformance.com/mc/hose/proflex.shtml)
• DCC Control 65p35 kit - electric water pump and fan controller (http://www.dccontrol.com/constant_temperature_controlle rs.htm)
• MMR 4.6/5.4 DOHC Black Powder Coated Valve Covers w/Billet Hold down blue inserts (http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.c om/cart/index.php?main_page=product_in fo&cPath=3&products_id=651)
• Meziere electric water pump water pump (https://www.meziere.com/Products/Cooling-System-Products/Pumps-Electric/Ford/Electric-Pump-Ford-Modular-with-HD-Idler-55-GPM.aspx)
• PowerBastards 220 amp alternator, powder coated black (https://www.powerbastards.com/products.asp?cat=125978)
• new Idle Air Control Valve (IAC)
• Gates tensioner pulley
• Gates idler pulley
• Gates 6 tooth Racing Performance Micro-V serpentine belt (http://www.gatesaustralia.com.au/products/automotive/passenger-car-and-light-truck/racing-performance/racing-performance-microv-belts)

Return System Fuel components
• Aeromotive fuel rails kit (http://www.aeromotiveinc.com/product/98-12-04-4-6l-dohc-cobra-fuel-rail-system/)
• Injector Dynamics ID1050x, EV14 standard fuel injectors (http://injectordynamics.com/injectors/id1050x/)
• Injector Dynamics F750 fuel filter (http://injectordynamics.com/id-f750-fuel-filter/)
• Walbro 340 stealth fuel pump (http://walbrofuelpumps.com/walbro-gss-fuel-pumps) - qty. 2
• Lethal Performance DivisionX Gen 3 99-04 Mustang Dual pump return style fuel hat manifold (http://www.lethalperformance.com/divisionx-sn95-dual-return-style-fuel-hat-manifold-46610.html)

Oil components
• Mishimoto oil cooler (http://www.americanmuscle.com/mishimoto-oil-cooler.html)
• Moroso 20555 performance oil pan (http://www.shopmoroso.com/eb/catalog/navigationPath//%7B11943%7D::Ford%20Modular.ht ml?entryId=catalog.productgrou p.&expand=true&menuId=main.menu) - with baffles and windage tray
• Russell Performance Pro Flex stainless steel engine hoses (http://www.russellperformance.com/mc/hose/proflex.shtml) (radiator, block cooling)

Supercharger:
• ADTR Vortech Stage 3 Supercharger kit (https://adtr.net/product/mercury-marauder/adtr-marauder-supercharger-system/)
• Vortech Super Fuel Management Unit (https://vortechsuperchargers.com/collections/fuel-components/products/super-fuel-management-unit)
• Killer Chiller 99-04 V-8 Ford Mustang KC Drag System (Gen-3 kit) includes 03-04 Cobra (https://killerchiller.com/products/99-04-v-8-mustang-kc-drag-kit)

Transmission:
• Silver Fox Hybrid 950 (http://www.silverfoxtrans.com/silverfoxtrans.com/TM_4R70W-950.html)
• Circle D Specialties - Ford 258 mm Pro III torque converter (https://www.circledspecialties.com/p-49-ford-258mm-pro-iii-4r70w-torque-converter.aspx)
• Tru-Cool Max LPD47391 transmission cooler (http://www.trucool.com/products/tru-cool-max)

Brakes:
• BRG Racing (https://www.facebook.com/brgracing.car/) custom designed brake hats & hangers - allows use of off-the-shelf 15" (front) and 14" (rear) Brembo or Wilwood rotors and monoblock 6 piston Brembo or Wilwood calipers!!!
• Hydratech Brake Booster (http://www.hydratechbraking.com/products.html)
• Front rotors: Wilwood 15" SPR Drilled Performance (http://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorProd.aspx?itemno=160-13472-BK)
• Rear rotors: Wilwood 14" SPR Performance Drilled (http://www.wilwood.com/Rotors/RotorProd.aspx?itemno=160-8396-BK)
• Brembo GT 6 piston monoblock calipers (http://www.brembo.com/en/car/sporting-use/gt-braking-systems)

Suspension:
• JRi coilover performance shocks (http://www.jrishocks.com/shop/street/pro-touring-shocks/)
• JRide Controller (https://www.jrishocks.com/shop/specialty/jride/)
• Metco upper and lower control arms (http://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MCA0016&cat=114)
• Metco Watts link kits (http://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MWL0304&cat=114)
• Addco Sway Bar, Black, Steel, Rear, 1 in (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aco-650/overview/year/2004/make/mercury/model/marauder) - front and rear
• Moog front upper control arm - passenger (http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-K80038)
• Moog front upper control arm - driver (http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-K80040)
• Moog front outer tie rod end - passenger (http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-ES3693)
• Moog front outer tie rod end - driver (http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-ES3694)
• Moser 31 Spline Axles (http://www.summitracing.com/search/year/2004/make/mercury/model/marauder/department/transmission-drivetrain/part-type/axle-shafts-direct-fit/inner-axle-splines/31/anti-lock-brake-system/yes/transmission/automatic?N=4294948137%2B42949 49814%2B4294943786%2B429494952 2%2B4294945517%2B4294945514%2B 4294927966%2B4294949231&SortBy=Default&SortOrder=Ascending)
• Detroit Truetrac limited slip differential (http://www.eaton.com/EN/Eaton/ProductsServices/Vehicle/Differentials/detroit-truetrac/index.htm)
• 4:10 Ford Racing gears (http://adtr.net/product/ford-crown-victoria/ford-racing-8-8-4-10-gear-set/)
• Metal Matrix driveshaft

Exhaust:
• STAINLESS WORKS MARAUDER LONG TUBE HEADERS W/ CATTED LEAD PIPES (03-04) (http://stainlessworks.net/2003-2004-mercury-marauder-headers-and-lead-pipes-w-cats)
• STAINLESS WORKS MARAUDER CATBACK SYSTEM (03-04); Part #: MAUEX-CAT
• Aero Exhaust mufflers (http://www.aeroexhaust.com/mufflers.html)

Wheels:
• Custom Forgeline 20" wheels (http://www.forgeline.com/products/concave-series/concave-stepped-lip/sc3c-sl-stepped-lip.html)

[RR|Suki]

I wish to replace my 2004 stock 461 with a high performance Ford engine. I am looking for 500+ bhp, fuel injected only, without a supercharger, turbo, Nos, etc.. Does anyone know who sells such engine/s? I am hoping to find a business on the West coast that will provide the complete service: remove stock engine and install new engine (mount, electrical, etc.). This will allow me to pass CA emissions.

well the car doesn't have a 461 first off, has ford ever even done a 461? :confused:... I think there is an old Pontiac motor that's a 461.
What it does have is a 4.6L

[ImpalaSlayer]

are you even talking about your marauder?

[Lowndex]

well the car doesn't have a 461 first off, has ford ever even done a 461? :confused:... I think there is an old Pontiac motor that's a 461.
What it does have is a 4.6L


Sorry, I fixed the typo.

[RR|Suki]

Sorry, I fixed the typo.

ahhh ok, well in that case a 500+hp N/A mod motor that will pass CA emissions might be a tough request :eek:

[ImpalaSlayer]

ahhh ok, well in that case a 500+hp N/A mod motor that will pass CA emissions might be a tough request :eek:

you mean a 460 isnt green? :lol:

[FordNut]

Not possible.

Easiest solution for your desired power level is to put in either a '03-'04 Cobra long block (reman from Ford) or get an Aluminator from Ford Performance. Then add a Vortech blower which has a CARB #. Check some of BCastro's threads, he has researched the CARB stuff a good bit. Or you can get pretty close to the HP you want on the stock block with the Vortech.

[Breadfan]

Or let CA know you like liberty and move to a state where you can own a performance car!

[SpartaPerformance]

I agree with Fordnut it's extremely unlikely to get a 4.6L to 500HP N/A. You will most likely have to go with a stoker and higher then nominal compression with a set of matching N/A cams.

[FordNut]

I agree with Fordnut it's extremely unlikely to get a 4.6L to 500HP N/A. You will most likely have to go with a stoker and higher then nominal compression with a set of matching N/A cams.

2 examples of built 5.3 big bore strokers with cams running NA, one put down 360 (mine) the other put down around 315 (bcastro).

[babbage]

2 examples of built 5.3 big bore strokers with cams running NA, one put down 360 (mine) the other put down around 315 (bcastro).


...both of which were low compression - meant for blowers.

What was yours Brian 9.6:1 - Same engine with 10.5:1 compression would easily be over 400 rwhp yes?

[FordNut]

No way....

[babbage]

No way....

what was your CR?

What should it be then?

[RR|Suki]

...both of which were low compression - meant for blowers.

What was yours Brian 9.6:1 - Same engine with 10.5:1 compression would easily be over 400 rwhp yes?

Guy from Cali has a 10.5:1 motor

[RacerX]

Brian's motor is 10.1:1 cr, Stage 3 heads PnP, SS valves, Compcam springs, ported intake. Don't think it's the GT cams holding him back...

[FordNut]

That's the other Brian... Mine is 9.5:1 but if it were 10:1 it still probably wouldn't put down over 400, maybe 380. BCastro's is held back by stock exhaust and 91 octane gas.

I wouldn't even think about 10.5:1 CR on 91 octane, which is what premium is in CA.

[RacerX]

I shoulda clarified BCastro! I totally agree with you though. Save the money and either just throw an SC on what you have or rebuild the lower end with just what's necessary, don't even need a forged crank really. I wish I'd read more and paid attention. You can dump more money into an NA car than into an SC'd car...

[Glenn]

I shoulda clarified BCastro! I totally agree with you though. Save the money and either just throw an SC on what you have or rebuild the lower end with just what's necessary, don't even need a forged crank really. I wish I'd read more and paid attention. You can dump more money into an NA car than into an SC'd car...
Be careful this post doesn't get around to some of our NA diehards - they will have you banned. http://www.svtsnake.com/forum/images/smilies/smile/banhim.gif


Glenn Ford :burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

I shoulda clarified BCastro! I totally agree with you though. Save the money and either just throw an SC on what you have or rebuild the lower end with just what's necessary, don't even need a forged crank really. I wish I'd read more and paid attention. You can dump more money into an NA car than into an SC'd car...

Be careful this post doesn't get around to some of our NA diehards - they will have you banned.

Glenn Ford :burnout:



pffffhahahahahaha :rofl:

i for one never doubted this fact :shake:

[ctrlraven]

Dare to be different I always say.

If JoeWalsh can hit 12.9 with a bored 5.1, full bolt-ons with 3.55 gears (3.89 effective rear gear with 16" drag radials) I don't see why a 4.6L with full bolt-ons, less weight, 4.10 gears (4.51 effective rear gear with 16" drag radials) with a little bit less power shouldn't be able to do the same.

[FordNut]

Dare to be different I always say.

If JoeWalsh can hit 12.9 with a bored 5.1, full bolt-ons with 3.55 gears (3.89 effective rear gear with 16" drag radials) I don't see why a 4.6L with full bolt-ons, less weight, 4.10 gears (4.51 effective rear gear with 16" drag radials) with a little bit less power shouldn't be able to do the same.

I'm not from Missouri, but I'm still waiting for somebody to "show me".

Keyboard racing is like a keyboard dyno, anything is possible!

[BLACKMARAUDER04]

Vortech superchargers are all smog legal in California. They have the executive carb order, Just like my Cold Air intake from K&N.
Unless your building an old Mustang with a 428CJ, you will not make that kind of HP. PLus, if you put an old engine in a newer car, it will not pass SMOG as the engine must match an engine that was originally available with that car's model year. A marauder must have some form of a 4.6L engine ( a 5.4L for example would work ) A Truck V10 would not be Smog leagal.

[ctrlraven]

I'm not from Missouri, but I'm still waiting for somebody to "show me".

Keyboard racing is like a keyboard dyno, anything is possible!
I'm not deviating from my goal with the car so when it's done you and everyone else will see. Once my divorce goes through the mods will start coming in again.

[Lowndex]

Vortech superchargers are all smog legal in California. They have the executive carb order, Just like my Cold Air intake from K&N.
Unless your building an old Mustang with a 428CJ, you will not make that kind of HP. PLus, if you put an old engine in a newer car, it will not pass SMOG as the engine must match an engine that was originally available with that car's model year. A marauder must have some form of a 4.6L engine ( a 5.4L for example would work ) A Truck V10 would not be Smog leagal.

I would prefer a performance motor that delivers the raw bhp (w/o supercharger). But, it seems this is not an option for my baby. A Vortech supercharger seems the best answer - has designed, custome fuel/air maps for my weak CA gas choice of 91 octane.

If I only lived in Texas, I could drop a carb'd race engine in and live life as God intended. :)

[dohc324ci]

Not possible.

Easiest solution for your desired power level is to put in either a '03-'04 Cobra long block (reman from Ford) or get an Aluminator from Ford Performance. Then add a Vortech blower which has a CARB #. Check some of BCastro's threads, he has researched the CARB stuff a good bit. Or you can get pretty close to the HP you want on the stock block with the Vortech.


2 examples of built 5.3 big bore strokers with cams running NA, one put down 360 (mine) the other put down around 315 (bcastro).



I shoulda clarified BCastro! I totally agree with you though. Save the money and either just throw an SC on what you have or rebuild the lower end with just what's necessary, don't even need a forged crank really. I wish I'd read more and paid attention. You can dump more money into an NA car than into an SC'd car...
Be careful this post doesn't get around to some of our NA diehards - they will have you banned. http://www.svtsnake.com/forum/images/smilies/smile/banhim.gif


Glenn Ford :burnout:

I agree! 500rwhp built 4.6/SC Vortech/Paxton!

Lowndex; having gone this route and have first hand experience; go with built 4.6L of your choice; MMR, Livernois, DSS, Modular Performance heck even an Aluminator NA LB and a Paxton 1500 or Vortech SC S-Trim (carb eo#)! no head work nothing; save your money. Now if your looking to turn up the boost over 600rwhp and dont mind dishing out the $$ then by all means go big bore stroker + SC...LOL

Dont fool around going BIG NA POWER with a Modular! You will only see a benefit if your a 5-spd not an auto 4r70w. If my calculations are right I would be at 340rwhp if a manual trans. You will never see 500rwhp on a BBS/in Cali. Brian (FordNut) is correct going higher compression 11.1:1 or higher requires 93 and we dont have that in abundance here in Cali.We have another problem in Northern California in finding a good tuner to get us to those power levels safely...AED in Sacramento and some others down south Shawn Ellis (bad rep but better than the alternatives..LOL)

BTW, I found a new "friend" that will smog my setup if i go Stainless Works LT...LOL I have a BBS 5.3L 10:1cr P&P heads/intake and mild cams and due to our 4 cat setup/stock exhaust am only seeing 315rwhp/357rwtq (FUN). Maybe another 30-40hp with LT/3"exhaust/tune 340-350rwhp..maybe.

Lowndex I know your in Pleasanton and I work in Pleasanton so anytime you want to know what 357rwtq feels like let me know.

Brian

[Glenn]

I wonder if your cams were indexed correctly. :confused: If they are off you could be losing a lot of power. Just a thought!

Glenn Ford :burnout:

[dohc324ci]

I wonder if your cams were indexed correctly. :confused: If they are off you could be losing a lot of power. Just a thought!

Glenn Ford :burnout:

I am sorry Glenn the builders dont make any mistakes! Believe me...Ive talked to them and there pretty clear...

The variables I cannot deny them are my tuner (lacking SCT tuning experience) and my 4 Cat/Stock exhaust. My builder also wanted to go Stage I comp blower cams so....what can I say:dunno:

Its good though, I am going with some shortys and complete exhaust and Tune (AED) and start saving for the SC. I am pretty content with 340-350rwhp considering the AWESOME grunt (357tq) that the BBS is putting down. I love the fact that from a roll I am able to lay down a good 15ft of rubber from a roll. And seeing the smoke from my rear view mirror never gets old! I WAS NEVER able to do that from the old mill; had to pwr brake then it would break loose as rpms rose.

Did I mention I LOVE the Torque...LOL:burnout:

Cheers!

[RR|Suki]

I am sorry Glenn the builders dont make any mistakes! Believe me...Ive talked to them and there pretty clear...

The variables I cannot deny them are my tuner (lacking SCT tuning experience) and my 4 Cat/Stock exhaust. My builder also wanted to go Stage I comp blower cams so....what can I say:dunno:

Its good though, I am going with some shortys and complete exhaust and Tune (AED) and start saving for the SC. I am pretty content with 340-350rwhp considering the AWESOME grunt (357tq) that the BBS is putting down. I love the fact that from a roll I am able to lay down a good 15ft of rubber from a roll. And seeing the smoke from my rear view mirror never gets old! I WAS NEVER able to do that from the old mill; had to pwr brake then it would break loose as rpms rose.

Did I mention I LOVE the Torque...LOL:burnout:

Cheers!

Torque always makes street cars feel extra fun :) Up until first gear becomes useless that is :mad2:

[dohc324ci]

Torque always makes street cars feel extra fun :) Up until first gear becomes useless that is :mad2:

Too much might not be a good thing eh? Yeah, I bet when its SC'ed I will have a problem with traction...LOL at that time I will have the wheels widened. pick up some dr for when i get ambitious (Sacramento Raceway).

[Lowndex]

Vortech superchargers are all smog legal in California. They have the executive carb order, Just like my Cold Air intake from K&N.
Unless your building an old Mustang with a 428CJ, you will not make that kind of HP. PLus, if you put an old engine in a newer car, it will not pass SMOG as the engine must match an engine that was originally available with that car's model year. A marauder must have some form of a 4.6L engine ( a 5.4L for example would work ) A Truck V10 would not be Smog leagal.

Sold! This is what I am buying for BRG Racing to install:
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30174

[Lowndex]

[quote=Glenn;835619]

I agree! 500rwhp built 4.6/SC Vortech/Paxton!

Lowndex; having gone this route and have first hand experience; go with built 4.6L of your choice; MMR, Livernois, DSS, Modular Performance heck even an Aluminator NA LB and a Paxton 1500 or Vortech SC S-Trim (carb eo#)! no head work nothing; save your money. Now if your looking to turn up the boost over 600rwhp and dont mind dishing out the $$ then by all means go big bore stroker + SC...LOL

Dont fool around going BIG NA POWER with a Modular! You will only see a benefit if your a 5-spd not an auto 4r70w. If my calculations are right I would be at 340rwhp if a manual trans. You will never see 500rwhp on a BBS/in Cali. Brian (FordNut) is correct going higher compression 11.1:1 or higher requires 93 and we dont have that in abundance here in Cali.We have another problem in Northern California in finding a good tuner to get us to those power levels safely...AED in Sacramento and some others down south Shawn Ellis (bad rep but better than the alternatives..LOL)

BTW, I found a new "friend" that will smog my setup if i go Stainless Works LT...LOL I have a BBS 5.3L 10:1cr P&P heads/intake and mild cams and due to our 4 cat setup/stock exhaust am only seeing 315rwhp/357rwtq (FUN). Maybe another 30-40hp with LT/3"exhaust/tune 340-350rwhp..maybe.

Lowndex I know your in Pleasanton and I work in Pleasanton so anytime you want to know what 357rwtq feels like let me know.

Brian


KC, owner of BRG Racing in Martinez, has shared the non-aspirated target is low 400's hp with whatever else as a stretch goal. The ADTR Vortech supercharger system should get me to 500+ hp on 91 octane.

I have a place 10 miles from that sells 95, 100 and 110 octane. KC is awesome at providing safe tunes with many years of experience doing so.

[Lowndex]

Picture of my new short block:

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7059/vsODdm.png

[RubberCtyRauder]

Your new "Stroker" 5.0 block derived from the 4.6 block is quite different than the 5.0 Coyote block.

A 2014 5.0 Vortech kit is not going to fit it. In fact no vortech kit is going to "fit" it.You need a 4.6 kit for 4V. The piping for intercooler and intake are not desgned for the Maraduer and will need fabbed up. Plus the marauder fan has to be replaced with a mustang unit set offset of center of radiator.

Just FYI..better do some more research

[Lowndex]

Your new "Stroker" 5.0 block derived from the 4.6 block is quite different than the 5.0 Coyote block.

A 2014 5.0 Vortech kit is not going to fit it. In fact no vortech kit is going to "fit" it.You need a 4.6 kit for 4V. The piping for intercooler and intake are not desgned for the Maraduer and will need fabbed up. Plus the marauder fan has to be replaced with a mustang unit set offset of center of radiator.

Just FYI..better do some more research


BRG Racing is well aware of the custom piping needs for the Vortech. They are also aware of the modifications needed for the Cobra exhaust manifold (must be lengthened).

[Lowndex]

When this project is done, BRG Racing will be able to install a CA smog legal blower solution for CA Marauder owners.

[justbob]

Why Cobra manifolds? That will gain you ZERO extra power. If your referring to Shorty headers, they are prone to cracking..

Just pony up the bucks for a Stainless Works set up and do it right the first time.


Builder Of Badassery

[Lowndex]

I will pass the suggestion for Stainless Works along.

[Jeronimojc]

Picture of my new short block:

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7059/vsODdm.png


Congrats! When will the engine and sc be installed?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Lowndex]

The short block and top end parts have arrived. Next the engine parts head to Livernois for component balancing, cnc machining and parts fabrication for blower intake and exhaust.

Then engine assembly and installation, transmission removal, rebuild and re-install, full exhaust change out, and on and on.

Best guess for project completion is early April.

[Lowndex]

BRG Racing has shared photos of the project to date. Many more to follow. At the end of the project, I will post a link to the updated BRG Racing website showing the entire project: photos, dyno runs, video of a run or two, etc.

Engine arrives at BRG Racing:
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http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7059/vsODdm.png

Block photos:
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http://imageshack.com/a/img540/3913/f8iMk7.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img538/8422/SO9LKz.png
http://imageshack.com/a/img540/6076/FHuutu.jpg

CnC work complete:
http://imageshack.com/a/img673/4498/7VoZhW.jpg
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[Lowndex]

Um, whoops. I tried to post reasonable sized photos. Some are silly big. I am trying to edit the post and repair.

[MOTOWN]

Those are some big azz pics!

[Lowndex]

Those are some big azz pics!

Try now, please.

[Lowndex]

Guy from Cali has a 10.5:1 motor

I will race him in June!

[Lowndex]

ahhh ok, well in that case a 500+hp N/A mod motor that will pass CA emissions might be a tough request :eek:

The n/a rwhp target is low 400s.

BRG Racing has worked on many Marauder, Mustang, Camaro, etc..... engine builds and pass CA Smog. Before the start of the project, KC (owner) outlines what is and is not possible given CA emissions and/or vehicle limitations. It is there specialty!

[Lowndex]

Not possible.

Easiest solution for your desired power level is to put in either a '03-'04 Cobra long block (reman from Ford) or get an Aluminator from Ford Performance. Then add a Vortech blower which has a CARB #. Check some of BCastro's threads, he has researched the CARB stuff a good bit. Or you can get pretty close to the HP you want on the stock block with the Vortech.

Exactly what is being done. Don't forget the nitrous. :)

[Lowndex]

Or let CA know you like liberty and move to a state where you can own a performance car!

I want to live in Texas. I need to work a few more years for the wife's retirement fund.

[Lowndex]

I agree with Fordnut it's extremely unlikely to get a 4.6L to 500HP N/A. You will most likely have to go with a stoker and higher then nominal compression with a set of matching N/A cams.

The target n/a rwhp is low 400s. Add the ADTR Vortech blower and nitrous and I should be over 500 rwhp.

[Lowndex]

4/30/15: The engine is built. I take my Marauder in for engine and transmission removal and all new components installed. :)

[Lowndex]

5/09/15: The Ford Racing supplied pistons and rods are being sold on eBay and replaced by Diamond pistons and Corrillo connecting rods. Two week delay.

[lifespeed]

5/09/15: The Ford Racing supplied pistons and rods are being sold on eBay and replaced by Diamond pistons and Corrillo connecting rods. Two week delay.

You're going to tear down a complete Ford Racing engine to change the pistons and rods? Or am I misreading your post? What prompted you to change these parts?

[ctrlraven]

The target n/a rwhp is low 400s. Add the ADTR Vortech blower and nitrous and I should be able to achieve 550+ rwhp.
If you can get that goal, congrats but do not be surprised to see low MAYBE mid 300's. The drivetrain % lost is a lot more than a Mustang. The MM engine stock was 302hp/318tq at the flywheel, mine bonestock at the rear wheels was 241rwhp/252tq. That's a 20% loss in power, to be at 400rwhp the motor would have to make at least 500hp at the flywheel, that's asking quite a lot out of small displacement NA motor.

[Lowndex]

You're going to tear down a complete Ford Racing engine to change the pistons and rods? Or am I misreading your post? What prompted you to change these parts?

Yes! The tolerances on edge-to-edge for each piston is making the engine builder uncomfortable. Also, we need a longer rod to maximize dwell time.

[Lowndex]

If you can get that goal, congrats but do not be surprised to see low MAYBE mid 300's. The drivetrain % lost is a lot more than a Mustang. The MM engine stock was 302hp/318tq at the flywheel, mine bonestock at the rear wheels was 241rwhp/252tq. That's a 20% loss in power, to be at 400rwhp the motor would have to make at least 500hp at the flywheel, that's asking quite a lot out of small displacement NA motor.

Ford Racing claims the motor is capable of 750 hp (flywheel) / 600 rwhp. As we plan to change pistons and rods, the plan is to bore out the cylinders 'a bit' more and utilize longer rods (increase in hp). Problems found with the Ford Racing short block:
1. The Ford pistons do not reach top dead center nor do so uniformly across each cylinder.
2. the crankshaft was not properly lubricated
3. several of the rods have 'gunk' in the base

The engine builder has pictures documenting all of these concerns. i will share shortly.

All that said, I will be happy with whatever rwhp I get, because I trust the engine builder KC of BRG Racing, and even I know about flywheel to rear wheel from my motor cycle track days (not racing). So, 350, 375, 400 or 425 - it's all good with an ADTR Stage 2 Vortech. Hell, I live in CA, I am lucky the damn state lets me own a V8!

[MOTOWN]

Ford Racing claims the motor is capable of 750 hp (flywheel) / 600 rwhp. As we plan to change pistons and rods, the plan is to bore out the cylinders 'a bit' more and utilize longer rods (increase in hp). Problems found with the Ford Racing short block:
1. The Ford pistons do not reach top dead center nor do so uniformly across each cylinder.
2. the crankshaft was not properly lubricated
3. several of the rods have 'gunk' in the base

The engine builder has pictures documenting all of these concerns. i will share shortly.

All that said, I will be happy with whatever rwhp I get, because I trust the engine builder KC of BRG Racing, and even I know about flywheel to rear wheel from my motor cycle track days (not racing). So, 350, 375, 400 or 425 - it's all good with an ADTR Stage 2 Vortech. Hell, I live in CA, I am lucky the damn state lets me own a V8!

So you bought a brand new Ford Racing short block, tore it completely apart to rebuild it:confused:
You would have been better off just buying a bare block , and building a complete engine , which is what your doing now.:shake:

[lifespeed]

Ford Racing claims the motor is capable of 750 hp (flywheel) / 600 rwhp. As we plan to change pistons and rods, the plan is to bore out the cylinders 'a bit' more and utilize longer rods (increase in hp). Problems found with the Ford Racing short block:
1. The Ford pistons do not reach top dead center nor do so uniformly across each cylinder.
2. the crankshaft was not properly lubricated
3. several of the rods have 'gunk' in the base

The engine builder has pictures documenting all of these concerns. i will share shortly.

All that said, I will be happy with whatever rwhp I get, because I trust the engine builder KC of BRG Racing, and even I know about flywheel to rear wheel from my motor cycle track days (not racing). So, 350, 375, 400 or 425 - it's all good with an ADTR Stage 2 Vortech. Hell, I live in CA, I am lucky the damn state lets me own a V8!

Doesn't sound like great quality control. I would not mind knowing the measurements if you care to provide them.

Piston proximity to the deck/head is important for a number of reasons, not just smacking the head. Quench cools the pistons and consistency across cylinders is important so one can clearly understand and rely on the tune to keep out of detonation. If one piston doesn't quench like the rest that is a problem.

Longer rods are nice, less side thrust on the pistons and doesn't beat itself as much at high RPM. Downside is a shorter ring pack that receives more heat. Your engine builder is no doubt aware of the tradeoffs.

Gunk in the rods :confused:

Good thing your builder checked the engine, and it is too bad you had to second-guess Ford's work. Better to get it right.

[Lowndex]

So you bought a brand new Ford Racing short block, tore it completely apart to rebuild it:confused:
You would have been better off just buying a bare block , and building a complete engine , which is what your doing now.:shake:

If only my crystal ball wasn't in the shop, I could have known the outcome and done just that. I am making the best of the situation.

[Lowndex]

Doesn't sound like great quality control. I would not mind knowing the measurements if you care to provide them.

Piston proximity to the deck/head is important for a number of reasons, not just smacking the head. Quench cools the pistons and consistency across cylinders is important so one can clearly understand and rely on the tune to keep out of detonation. If one piston doesn't quench like the rest that is a problem.

Longer rods are nice, less side thrust on the pistons and doesn't beat itself as much at high RPM. Downside is a shorter ring pack that receives more heat. Your engine builder is no doubt aware of the tradeoffs.

Gunk in the rods :confused:

Good thing your builder checked the engine, and it is too bad you had to second-guess Ford's work. Better to get it right.

KC told me he was going to tear down the Ford Racing motor and measure a number of things I am just learning to understand. He said he had been surprised (badly) before and would not assume all was well with the motor. Had he not caught the gunk in the rods, he said we would have blown the rear seal! The pistons problems would not have been catastrophic; rather a loss in compression and performance. I am lucky to have such a skilled engine builder.

[MOTOWN]

If only my crystal ball wasn't in the shop, I could have known the outcome and done just that. I am making the best of the situation.

You should have had your engine builder rebuild it!:rolleyes:

[CWright]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[sailsmen]

The Power Train Parasitic Drag is a constant ~60RWHP.
Think about it, do the rotating power train parts change their resistance based on the HP the engine is making?

[Lowndex]

Picture of 'gunk in the rods":

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Rousch, who we bought the small block from, told us top contact Ford Racing. They did nothing to stand by the product!

[JBeezy]

That's horrible

[sailsmen]

I bought a brand new OEM short block for a Turbo car and the mechanic disassembled it.

The ring gaps were lined up.

[Lowndex]

I bought a brand new OEM short block for a Turbo car and the mechanic disassembled it.

The ring gaps were lined up.

I was reading all the details of your ride. You have a very fast, outstanding list of components for your ride. You have set the bar high, sir.

[RubberCtyRauder]

It looks like grease/shipping protectant that was not cleaned well

[Lowndex]

It looks like grease/shipping protectant that was not cleaned well

KC is in contact with Ford Racing. Ford are examining the photos and measurements data. They were shocked about the rod situation and said Rousch ' s response would be investigated.

So far, just words. Hopefully corrective action follows.

[Lowndex]

And it keeps getting worse. KC has determined the crankshaft, although a forged part, is not a quality part! We are negotiating with Ford to replace the crankshaft, pistons and rods, to be sold later.

This leaves me to pay for replacements and live with the money lost, frustration and stress from Ford Racing selling me a turd of a short block at $5199.00.

[JBeezy]

And it keeps getting worse. KC has determined the crankshaft, although a forged part, is not a quality part! We are negotiating with Ford to replace the crankshaft, pistons and rods, to be sold later.

This leaves me to pay for replacements and live with the money lost, frustration and stress from Ford Racing selling me a turd of a short block at $5199.00.
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully all will get worked out soon. I'd be very upset

[sailsmen]

I was reading all the details of your ride. You have a very fast, outstanding list of components for your ride. You have set the bar high, sir.

Thank you. It's a good daily driver and drag strip car. It was 7 years ago today that I picked up the Marauder after having the Cobra Ford Reman Long Block installed!

[Lowndex]

My engine builder has convinced Ford Racing to pay for shipping/return of the purchased motor for "analysis". I have submitted a request a full refund plus Livernoise and engine builder labor.

[Gerry24]

:fQUOTE=Lowndex;1449465]My engine builder has convinced Ford Racing to pay for shipping/return of the purchased motor for "analysis". I have submitted a request a full refund plus Livernoise and engine builder labor.[/QUOTE]

:flamer: <=== bet you feel like doing this to the sales rep. Keep us posted:beer:

[chief455]

Picture of 'gunk in the rods":

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Rousch, who we bought the small block from, told us top contact Ford Racing. They did nothing to stand by the product!

My instinct tells me that Ford did not ship an engine that way.
Someone, with engine rebuilding ability, between you and Ford is a weak link.
I hope they don't wait on Rousch to fully compensate you, the end user.

[Lowndex]

My instinct tells me that Ford did not ship an engine that way.
Someone, with engine rebuilding ability, between you and Ford is a weak link.
I hope they don't wait on Rousch to fully compensate you, the end user.

The motor was sealed in the original shipping container. So, I doubt anyone at Rousch ever touched the motor.
Even the block itself was not straight, front to back. That means the block, crankshaft, pistons and rods all have quality flaws.

I meet with BRG Racing on 5/26 to discuss next steps: buy Livernois, MMR, etc or build from a blank core. Either way, I am listening to the experts at MercuryMarauder.net and will own a big bore stroker 5 3.

[chief455]

The motor was sealed in the original shipping container. So, I doubt anyone at Rousch ever touched the motor.
Even the block itself was not straight, front to back. That means the block, crankshaft, pistons and rods all have quality flaws.

I meet with BRG Racing on 5/26 to discuss next steps: buy Livernois, MMR, etc or build from a blank core. Either way, I am listening to the experts at MercuryMarauder.net and will own a big bore stroker 5 3.
Sad indeed.
In your other thread I expressed my lack of faith about ANYTHING about that motor = block prep etc.
Sad my being correct.
Good luck going forward....

[Lowndex]

I ordered an Aluminum version of the Livernois big bore stroker 5.3L

[Lowndex]

KC at BRG Racing spoke with Livernois this morning and the 323ci Big Bore Stroker 5.3L aluminum engine (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/products/323ci-Big-Bore-Stroker-Boss-Iron-Pro-Series-Shortblock%252d%282V%2C-3V%2C-4V%29.html) is on schedule for arrival by 7/08 - my birthday. Scat crankshaft (http://scatcrankshafts.com/#3), Diamond street/strip dish pistons (http://www.diamondracing.net/products/catalog.php), Manley H-Beam rods (http://www.manleyperformance.com/master_catalog.shtml) and all the machining and prep. "How Sweet It Is"!

[babbage]

good deal should be awesome - Livenois is a good builder.

[Lowndex]

Livernois informed KC at BRG Racing they are 3-4 weeks behind schedule. New delivery date is 7/24.

[martyo]

Livernois informed KC at BRG Racing they are 3-4 weeks behind schedule. New delivery date is 7/24.

Are they charging you by the phone call?

[Lowndex]

Are they charging you by the phone call?

I am pleased they had the professionalism to call and inform of the delay.

[dohc324ci]

Wow....sorry to hear about all your headaches. Sort of lost interest in the Marauder. BTW, 400rwhp on your setup is going to be tough living in cali. No long tubes, cams...=320hp+. I made 331rwhp/381rwtq on the dyno with short tube headers (they crack going with stock manifolds) with ported heads, comp cams, ported intake on 91oct.

[Nightcrawler]

Nice! Lots of people running 5.3s. It'll be a torquey beast.

[Lowndex]

12/31/15 update:
Delays in the heads and back order valve springs added delays through November and December. On a positive note, my Marauder has been towed to BRG Racing for engine and transmission tear out. I hope to have her back by St. Patrick's Day, 2016. Project pictures to follow.

[justbob]

It's just getting the engine/trans swapped out and a vortec isn't? I would think two weeks tops. Nobody wants cars taking up space and it doesn't get much simpler doing those two things.

Good luck, hopefully it's what you dreamed of.


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[chief455]

It's just getting the engine/trans swapped out and a vortec isn't? I would think two weeks tops. Nobody wants cars taking up space and it doesn't get much simpler doing those two things.

Good luck, hopefully it's what you dreamed of.


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I came in to say the same thing. You have been patient, have experienced some of the performance build blues, hopefuly 2016 will be clear sailing. :beer:

[Lowndex]

It's just getting the engine/trans swapped out and a vortec isn't? I would think two weeks tops. Nobody wants cars taking up space and it doesn't get much simpler doing those two things.

Good luck, hopefully it's what you dreamed of.


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Much more is involved. Thank you for the best wishes.

[Lowndex]

The latest project completion date is 6/27/16 - does not include ADTR blower or JRi coilovers. I finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. But, what is the noise?