Mufflers???

[Marauderjack]

Hey Guys...

I have heard the MM stock exhaust and it is better than my 2000 Crown Vic but still not deep and "throaty" enough??:confused:

What mufflers do you guys use to make the exhaust louder but still acceptable as far as interior noise is concerned??:(

I am not going to put on headers and Hi-flow X-pipe but would like to have a more free flowing system and am afraid that "Flow Masters" will be too loud??:rolleyes:

Two weeks and counting!!!!!:D

Cobrajack:cool: :cool:

[gonzo50]

What's up CobraJack, if you do a search on exhaust you'll notice that most are going with the 18" MagnaFlows for it's straight thru design and throaty tone but not to loud, Logan has a mpeg on the exhaust note. http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5697

[Petrograde]

Flowmaster 40's are also popular. If you are concerned about noise check out the Flowmaster 50's

[67435animal]

I have the flowmaster 40s plus the non-resonator tips. Must sound really good because my wife told me last night that the car was much louder than normal and maybe I'd better have it checked!
:D

Bob

[RCSignals]

You must have it about right now then Bob

[MapleLeafMerc]

Can't wait to hear it!

:bounce:

[Marauderjack]

I was not particularly fond of the exhaust note in Logan's mpeg??:confused: May just be the digital quality of the audio through my speakers!!

Sounded too "zippy" but it may be caused by the idle compensator.....emissions thingy that doesn't allow it to return to idle quickly??:( Also, Logan posted that the note is better after 500 miles or so due to packing material?? Maybe he can do another mpeg??

Also, Bob used "non resonator" tips?? Are they after market and do they look like OEM's :confused:

Thanks for the replys...

Cobrajack:cool:

[jgc61sr2002]

cobrajack - The non resonator tips are the same type as the factory. W.Chain is a supporting vender of this site and he can hook you up with a set.:D

[BillyGman]

that seems to have been overlooked here is that Logan's car has the 14" magnaflow mufflers, NOT the 18" ones. So his car is louder than it would be if he had the 18" ones.

[TAF]

Ask folks that were at SSHS3 today how mine sounded with the 18" Magnaflows...

I couldn't recommend them higher if you want a lower growl without anything..."offensive".

[DONP1217]

I have a pair of Flowmaster 40 series 2 chambers on my Marauder with the OEM resonator delete tips. I think the car is still quiet as a church mouse. I'm looking forward to the Kook's headers and X-pipe to make it sound as it should.

[MapleLeafMerc]

DONP, what are OEM resonator delete tips?

Thanks

[TAF]

Originally posted by MapleLeafMerc
DONP, what are OEM resonator delete tips?

Thanks

MLM...go here and scroll down>Innovative Interceptors Exclusive: Marauder Exhaust Tips by Meg's with Resonator Delete. (http://www.innovativeinterceptors.com/index/products.html)

[kurly]

Hi All,

I just installed the Flowmaster Deltaflow 40's and the K&N filter and dropped about 100 rpm stopped at idle and in gear? Is this a time for a pcm reflash at the dealer?

:confused:

[BillyGman]

Originally posted by DONP1217
I have a pair of Flowmaster 40 series 2 chambers on my Marauder with the OEM resonator delete tips. I think the car is still quiet as a church mouse. I'm looking forward to the Kook's headers and X-pipe to make it sound as it should.

I'm still waiting on Kook's for the headers, X-pipe, cats, and mufflers, but I highly doubt that headers and an X-pipe w/out a muffler change is going to make your car a lot louder. It might change the tone a little but, but it won't make it as loud as changing to a different muffler will. If those mufflers you have aren't loud enough for you, then maybe you should either go w/the one chamber Flowmasters, or the 14" Magnaflow straight thru ones. The primary reason for adding headers and an X-pipe is for more power.

[BillyGman]

Originally posted by kurly
Hi All,

I just installed the Flowmaster Deltaflow 40's and the K&N filter and dropped about 100 rpm stopped at idle and in gear? Is this a time for a pcm reflash at the dealer?

:confused:

100 RPM's is no biggie. I wouldn't worry about that if I were you. I've never heard of anyone having to do a computer re-flash because of a different exhaust being added unless perhaps they were running open headers which you wouldn't want to do.

[kurly]

Originally posted by BillyGman
100 RPM's is no biggie. I wouldn't worry about that if I were you. I've never heard of anyone having to do a computer re-flash because of a different exhaust being added unless perhaps they were running open headers which you wouldn't want to do.

BillyG,

It's just that she gives a little shiver now, not enough to stall though at ~500-550 RPM?

My 95 Continental with the same but weaker 32 valve 4.6L (265hp) idles in gear at 7-800?

[BillyGman]

heard of that, but as long as it runs good, especially off-idle upon hitting the gas, then I wouldn't consider it a problem. Unless you're seeing a "check engine" light.

[bigslim]

Flowmasters 40 here. They have gotten a little louder since I first had them installed but I love it.

[kurly]

Originally posted by BillyGman
heard of that, but as long as it runs good, especially off-idle upon hitting the gas, then I wouldn't consider it a problem. Unless you're seeing a "check engine" light.

OK, I won't panic yet. No "check engine" light yet.

Just for info, my Deltaflow 40's with OEM tips are quiet at idle or while cruising. They are "very" noticeable during acceleration or while cruising in 1st or 2nd gear.

[BillyGman]

for what it's worth, I've read things posted about the oil from those K&N filters messing something up down-wind in the intake system. So I wonder if that's what your problem is. Did you notice this immediately after installing those mufflers and filter? Or did it take a little while? If it's the latter, then maybe it is the filter.

[67435animal]

For those wondering, the non-resonator tips are identical to the current MM tips (including the Megs script) BUT, they are missing the tube that runs about 1/2 way down the center. They are louder but they are not obnoxious.

I also have them extended out beyond the bumper about an inch so you can stand over them and read the 'Megs'. They also look more like extensions than they did before.

Bob

[kurly]

Originally posted by BillyGman
for what it's worth, I've read things posted about the oil from those K&N filters messing something up down-wind in the intake system. So I wonder if that's what your problem is. Did you notice this immediately after installing those mufflers and filter? Or did it take a little while? If it's the latter, then maybe it is the filter.

It first became noticeable when I put the Flowmasters on last Thursday. The K&N has been installed a couple of weeks now. I wish I had known about the oil situation - I think I will put the factory filter back in and try it - if its not too late?

[DONP1217]

BillyGman,

I disagree with you on this point. Flowmaster 40's are pretty loud mufflers but our crappy stock exhaust can keep even these mufflers quiet.

I put a set of Flowmaster 40's on my 1996 Mustang. It was fairly quiet until I put on an x-pipe with hi-flo cats. After the x-pipe the car was very loud. The cats and 2 1/4 inch piping keeps our cary very quiet.


Originally posted by BillyGman
I'm still waiting on Kook's for the headers, X-pipe, cats, and mufflers, but I highly doubt that headers and an X-pipe w/out a muffler change is going to make your car a lot louder. It might change the tone a little but, but it won't make it as loud as changing to a different muffler will. If those mufflers you have aren't loud enough for you, then maybe you should either go w/the one chamber Flowmasters, or the 14" Magnaflow straight thru ones. The primary reason for adding headers and an X-pipe is for more power.

[Marauderjack]

My daughter had a '96 Mustang GT and I was putting Mac cat-back system on it and just for kicks I started it with no mufflers and it was pretty quiet!!! With 3 cats on each side it must be choked to death!!!:confused:

With respect to the K & N...I've had one on every car I've owned and never had oil problems with the MAF sensor or any of that control stuff!!:D

BTW, does the MM use the same air filter as the Crown Vic?? If so I'll keep the one from my 2000 CV!!:)

Cobrajack:cool:

[TAF]

Originally posted by BillyGman
for what it's worth, I've read things posted about the oil from those K&N filters messing something up down-wind in the intake system. So I wonder if that's what your problem is. Did you notice this immediately after installing those mufflers and filter? Or did it take a little while? If it's the latter, then maybe it is the filter.

Billy...don't always believe everything you read...

I know this is a muffler thread and I don't want it to turn into a K&N/Oil thread...but, the only concern ever is if you clean/re-oil/recharge your existing filter and put too much oil on it. Out of the box new...there are no issues. Frankly, I find that silly when you can find K&N filters online for $30. I'm putting a new one n next week after having the one that fit in for 20K miles.

Just my humble opinion...

[kurly]

Originally posted by TAF
Billy...don't always believe everything you read...

I know this is a muffler thread and I don't want it to turn into a K&N/Oil thread...but, the only concern ever is if you clean/re-oil/recharge your existing filter and put too much oil on it. Out of the box new...there are no issues. Frankly, I find that silly when you can find K&N filters online for $30. I'm putting a new one n next week after having the one that fit in for 20K miles.

Just my humble opinion...

Todd, Hi.
All opinions appreciated.
I agree. Buy a new one instead of "messing" with the old one!

[BillyGman]

Originally posted by DONP1217
BillyGman,

I disagree with you on this point. Flowmaster 40's are pretty loud mufflers but our crappy stock exhaust can keep even these mufflers quiet.

I put a set of Flowmaster 40's on my 1996 Mustang. It was fairly quiet until I put on an x-pipe with hi-flo cats. After the x-pipe the car was very loud. The cats and 2 1/4 inch piping keeps our cary very quiet.

Don, thanks for your input on that. I guess I shouldn't argue too much w/you on that since you're speaking from experience w/your Mustang. Frankly I'm rather surprised to hear that. But the part of my previous statement that I believe still holds true is that you don't have to change out the entire exhaust to get your car to sound louder. X-pipes, headers, and Hi-flow cats are all designed for making more power. If they change the exhaust note also, then that's a fringe benefit. I guess none of us would complain about our cars being faster as a result of an exhaust change, but my point is, that you don't have to spend all that money for an X-pipe, headers, and Hi-flow cats, if all you want to do is make the car louder IMO. If you say that your Mustang wasn't as loud as some other cars w/those Flowmasters 40's on it, then I believe you, but if all you wanted was louder, then all you had to do is to buy the one chamber Flowmasters(I think they're the 50 series) or you coould've also went w/the straight-thru design mufflers like the Magnaflows. You wouldn't have had to change all those other components in your exhaust just to make the car louder.

[Marauderjack]

Now Boys.....

I didn't intend for this to get out of hand but I do agree that a quiet car can run faster with a free flowing exhaust than a loud car with an ill designed exhaust!!:rolleyes:

I asked Dennis in an email about a "cat-back" system and after several exchanges he let me know right fast that his exhaust manifolds, hi-flow cats and X-pipe coupled to the stock mufflers and tailpipes make more HP and sound better!! :D I don't want to make a "race car".....I have a Cobra replica with a 408W stroker that fits that bill!!:cool:

All I want is a better sounding exhaust but I don't want it too loud and don't want to do the header thing??:confused:

Maybe the "zippy" sound I've heard is because it is a 281 cubic inch engine and it doesn't breathe deep enough to give it a deep exhaust note??:rolleyes:

As for the K & N debate...I've oiled mine until it drips into the bottom of the airbox and never had any MAF issues!! The oil is not that volitile and shouldn't contact any intake parts unless you try to spray it on while the engine is running!! :flamer:

Now play nice or we're gonna send you to your rooms!! :D

Cobrajack......"Marauderjack":D :cool:

[studio460]

Well, I've heard some Cobras and Saleens that really rocked--with tons of low-end rumble. Now I've got possibly the loudest muffler available, the Flowmaster 40-series Deltaflows with the resonator-delete Megs tips, and although it's loud, I would like to go louder. There's a nice low rumble at idle, and at the right RPM, I can set off a few car alarms, but I'm looking for that Camaro SLP-exhaust kinda thunder, which I still believe is possible from our smaller displacement engines.

Since I live in California, I really can't do a full exhaust set-up unless someone makes a CARB-legal high flow cat. But I, for one, am looking for exhaust mods (probably just a cat-back for now) that do increase my exhaust note beyond what I've got now. By the way, I believe the 14" Magnaflows are less restrictive than the Flowmasters, since I did seem to notice a power increase from those alone when compared to the Flowmasters, but they are quieter and near silent at idle. My first choice would be the Kooks solution to 2.5" custom pipe all the way back into Flowmaster 40-series Deltaflows and the Magnaflow straight-through tips.

[DONP1217]

NBC Shooter,

Your "wish" set up is exactly what I am doing with my car. I am going with the Kook's headers and bolt on X-pipe with Flowmaster 40 series mufflers. As far as I know the Flowmaster 40 series two chamber mufflers are the loudest mufflers Flowmaster makes. The Deltaflows were designed to reduce in cabin noise.

I though the Flowmaster 40's would give me enough sound until I picked out a full header and x-pipe solution, but that wasn't the case. I am hoping to get the big HP and torque increase plus the sound I want with me new set up.

[joflewbyu2]

BORLA - there is no substitute !!

[TripleG]

joflewbyu2

I''ll be installing Dennis's exhaust package (corbra manifold, X Pipe and high flow cats) next week with a little help from UPS. Anyway why Borla and do you have part # or model you installed on your MM.

All others - For the long haul should I stay with the stock or get better mufflers?

[Hemlock]

I HAVE LOGANS OLD 18" MUFFLERS , WITH STOCK TIPS . ITS REAL QUITE , AND I CAN HEAR MY KENWOODS . CHEERS!!

[MapleLeafMerc]

Here's a dumb question: what might the result be from simply removing the stock mufflers and then pushing the OEM resonator tips out a couple of inches? Stupid loud?

[DONP1217]

That isn't a stupid question MapleLeafMerc. I have been contemplating removing my mufflers. I am concerned with the sound quality being poor because it isn't mellowed out by a muffler. My bigger concern is losing too much back pressure.

[duhtroll]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any info on how much added power comes from the Reinhart exhaust?

I am just curious for a comparison - no need to post on board or start another thread. (not trying to start another "oil thread" with this question) If anyone does could you IM me?

I may be looking at exhaust in the spring and would like to know what I can expect for HP/TQ gains.

Thanks guys (and gals),
-A

[TAF]

I laid it all out and posted the Dyno sheets HERE (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5946&highlight=shes+back)

[duhtroll]

TAF -

That's awesome - thanks!

-A

[FordNut]

I used Edelbrock mufflers and am quite pleased. Can't say what difference the mufflers alone makes as far as sound or power because I also had a Bassani x-pipe installed at the same time. The combination is louder and makes about 5 hp more than it did before. I do still have the stock manifolds and cats, including the short section (about 1 ft.) of 2" pipe. Headers and high flow cats are coming soon.

[jspradii]

When I put on my Kooks long tube ceramics, I ran 3" all the way back. I had Midas (yes, Midas), do my custom stainless steel, and I put Ravins on mine. My only criteria were that there was the least amount of back pressure on the cats, and I wanted it minimally street legal. TAF, Logan, Martyo, Sergeant Mac and Dennis all heard these mufflers during our outing at Ennis. The average civilian simply asks if I need new mufflers. I just grin. Seriously, this setup may be too loud for most daily drivers, but, I like 'em!

[DONP1217]

Did you lose any power on the low end with the cats being the only source of back pressure?