Are all factory blowers roots style?

[Motorhead350]

I was thinking about this and it seems like every car that came with a blower had a roots style one. GT500s, Land Rovers, ZR1s... did anything come with the snail style?

Doesn't matter if it was older, recently, built here, built there... did anything come this way?

If not, why not. I'm curious to know.

Please be civil.

[DOOM]

I dont know of any that came with centri's.

[hotford]

I was thinking about this and it seems like every car that came with a blower had a roots style one. GT500s, Land Rovers, ZR1s... did anything come with the snail style?

Doesn't matter if it was older, recently, built here, built there... did anything come this way?

If not, why not. I'm curious to know.

Please be civil.
I beleive that maybe the only one that was offered back in the day was the t-bird back in the 50's it was the paxton, (Mcculloch) not sure if thats the corect spelling either.lol

[FordNut]

I believe there were also some early Chevy models with a Paxton. Not sure if it was a dealer item or what.
Seems like there was an early Mustang one too.

[LANDY]

i would like to see what they look like on those old school cars.

[CBT]

Plenty of cars did, foo! Buick Grand Nationals, mid to late 80's Thunderbird Turbo Coupes and SVO Mustangs (they both had the Garret T-3's I believe), etc. etc.

[FordNut]

i would like to see what they look like on those old school cars.

There was an enclosure around the entire carburetor to pressurize the vents along with the inlet.

[FordNut]

Plenty of cars did, foo! Buick Grand Nationals, mid to late 80's Thunderbird Turbo Coupes and SVO Mustangs (they both had the Garret T-3's I believe), etc. etc.

I believe he's referring to belt-driven centrifugal blowers instead of turbos.

[FordNut]

Wasn't there also a later model Chevy or GMC performance truck with a centrifugal blower?

[CBT]

I believe he's referring to belt-driven centrifugal blowers instead of turbos.

Ah. Then I take back my postings. :D

[Joe Walsh]

Wasn't there also a later model Chevy or GMC performance truck with a centrifugal blower?

You might be thinking of the Syclone and Typhoons which were turbocharged 4.3 Vortec V6s. (AWD and they ran like a scalded dog!)

Shelby offered a Paxton S/C on GT350 Mustangs back in the 60s.

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/1966_Ford_Shelby_Mustang_GT-350_eng.jpg

Beautiful T-Bird SC

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/T-birdSC.jpg

IIRC: Some of the famous performance cars of the 30s had centrifugal blowers.

1930 Blower Bentley 4.5 Liter: (looks to be a roots style S/C)

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/30-Bentley_4-5L_Sprchrgd_DV-08-S-1.jpg

You can't be a 'sleeper' with a huge blower hanging out over the front bumper!!

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/30-Bentley_4-5L_Sprchrgd_DV-08-SM-0.jpg

[FordNut]

You might be thinking of the Syclone and Typhoons which were turbocharged 4.3 Vortec V6s. (AWD and they ran like a scalded dog!)

That's what I was thinking of...


Ah. Then I take back my postings. :D

Me too...

[Motorhead350]

Cool! After looking it up it seems like both types of blowers came out the same year... 1860, but they weren't for cars until 1903.

Very interesting.

[CBT]

Cool! After looking it up it seems like both types of blowers came out the same year... 1860, but they weren't for cars until 1903.

Very interesting.
1860?! Holy crap I bet them covered wagons flew.

[Haggis]

What does that supposed to mean?

[Motorhead350]

It wasn't for transportation, I forgot what for.

[CBT]

It wasn't for transportation, I forgot what for.
So you're just going to leave us hanging like that? You are the worst story teller ever, lol.

[Motorhead350]

So you're just going to leave us hanging like that? You are the worst story teller ever, lol.

I forgot you don't like cliff hangers, you're more the happy ending type of guy.

[CBT]

I forgot you don't like cliff hangers, you're more the happy ending type of guy.
Muhahahahaaa!!!!

[-Matt-]

Snail type? SNAIL TYPE!?!?!? why i outa!!

[musclemerc]

Let's not forget the 60's cobra that had the twin centri's!

[Motorhead350]

Snail type? SNAIL TYPE!?!?!? why i outa!!

Yeah their not fast.... ;)

[-Matt-]

Yeah their not fast.... ;)


Youll find out the falseness in THAT theory when i see you in MV

[Motorhead350]

Youll find out the falseness in THAT theory when i see you in MV

I have one too, so you must be spraying to be fast.

[-Matt-]

I have one too, so you must be spraying to be fast.


I do punk... :cool:

[CBT]

I have one too.
That's what she said.

[RR|Suki]

There were studebakers (sp) that came with paxton blowers. The koenseigg(sp) has twin rotex blowers or something like that. That's all I have off the top of my head

[Joe Walsh]

Let's not forget the 60's cobra that had the twin centri's!

Who could forget the twin Paxton 427 big block Shelby Cobra??....owned (up until recently) by Carroll Shelby himself!

linky: http://www.howstuffworks.com/1966-shelby-cobra-427-super-snake.htm

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/twinPaxtonCobra.jpg

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/carrolls-cobra---1_450-1.jpg

Got an extra 5.5 MILLION dollars to spend!? :eek:

[Sully008]

It wasn't for transportation, I forgot what for.

From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger

In 1860, brothers Philander (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philander_Root s&action=edit&redlink=1) and Francis Marion Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Marion _Roots&action=edit&redlink=1) of Connersville, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connersville,_Indiana), patented the design for an air mover, for use in blast furnaces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_furnace) and other industrial applications. By the late 1800s, it had made its way to Germany, where an engineer called Krigar invented an air pump that utilized twin rotating shafts that compressed air.
The combination of the pair of inventions resulted in a third, with the first functional supercharger attributed to German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) engineer Gottlieb Daimler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb_Daimler), who received a German patent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent) for supercharging an internal combustion engine in 1885. Louis Renault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Renault_%28industrialist %29) patented a centrifugal supercharger in France in 1902. An early supercharged race car was built by Lee Chadwick (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lee_Chadwick&action=edit&redlink=1) of Pottstown, Pennsylvania in 1908, which, it was reported, reached a speed of 100 miles per hour (160 km/h).

[justbob]

From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger

In 1860, brothers Philander (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philander_Root s&action=edit&redlink=1) and Francis Marion Roots (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Francis_Marion _Roots&action=edit&redlink=1) of Connersville, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connersville,_Indiana), patented the design for an air mover, for use in blast furnaces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_furnace) and other industrial applications. By the late 1800s, it had made its way to Germany, where an engineer called Krigar invented an air pump that utilized twin rotating shafts that compressed air.
The combination of the pair of inventions resulted in a third, with the first functional supercharger attributed to German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) engineer Gottlieb Daimler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottlieb_Daimler), who received a German patent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent) for supercharging an internal combustion engine in 1885. Louis Renault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Renault_%28industrialist %29) patented a centrifugal supercharger in France in 1902. An early supercharged race car was built by Lee Chadwick (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lee_Chadwick&action=edit&redlink=1) of Pottstown, Pennsylvania in 1908, which, it was reported, reached a speed of 100 miles per hour (160 km/h).
Thats some cool history right there!

I was thinking about this and it seems like every car that came with a blower had a roots style one. GT500s, Land Rovers, ZR1s... did anything come with the snail style?

Doesn't matter if it was older, recently, built here, built there... did anything come this way?

If not, why not. I'm curious to know.

Please be civil.
Roots seem to be a longer lasting and vertually maintanance free application. I have seen plenty centri's that put out way more power, but I would have to think the auto industry went with trusted over performance.

[guspech750]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Rolls-Royce_Merlin.jpg/250px-Rolls-Royce_Merlin.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rolls-Royce_Merlin.jpg)

The Rolls Royce Merlin supercharged aircraft engine from WWII.

[musclemerc]

Who could forget the twin Paxton 427 big block Shelby Cobra??....owned (up until recently) by Carroll Shelby himself!

linky: http://www.howstuffworks.com/1966-shelby-cobra-427-super-snake.htm

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/twinPaxtonCobra.jpg

http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/JoeJWalsh/carrolls-cobra---1_450-1.jpg

Got an extra 5.5 MILLION dollars to spend!? :eek:

Just imagine the power of a 427 cobra jet engine and those beautiful twins! This thing had to be a blast to drive! :burnout:

[Joe Walsh]

Just imagine the power of a 427 cobra jet engine and those beautiful twins! This thing had to be a blast to drive! :burnout:

Bill Cosby's "200 MPH" comedy album is based on his one and only ride/test drive in the twin Paxton 427 Cobra that Shelby built for Cosby.
(Only two twin Paxton 427 Cobras were ever made.)

[Motorhead350]

Bill Cosby's "200 MPH" comedy album is based on his one and only ride/test drive in the twin Paxton 427 Cobra that Shelby built for Cosby.
(Only two twin Paxton 427 Cobras were ever made.)

When I listened to it I thought he just started it, put it in gear and decided it was too much car. I didn't know if he ever "drove" it by our definition.

He sold the car and then that person wrecked it. The one you posted is the one original left. Do you know what year that one is?

[CBT]

when i listened to it i thought he just started it, put it in gear and decided it was too much car. I didn't know if he ever "drove" it by our definition.

He sold the car and then that person wrecked it. The one you posted is the one original left. Do you know what year that one is?
11,052 !!!!

[musclemerc]

Bill Cosby's "200 MPH" comedy album is based on his one and only ride/test drive in the twin Paxton 427 Cobra that Shelby built for Cosby.
(Only two twin Paxton 427 Cobras were ever made.)

LOL, I remember that one! The look on his face and it was just sitting there idling. I think he was just too skeerd to drive the thing.

[Joe Walsh]

From a previous MM.net thread: Here is the video of Bill recalling the experience with Jay Leno.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57958

[guspech750]

From a previous MM.net thread: Here is the video of Bill recalling the experience with Jay Leno.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57958&page=2
OMG!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :rofl:

[musclemerc]

Now I won't get this one outta my head...Epic!

[LANDY]

thats got to be scary. 800hp at somewhere close to 2500 pounds.
priceless

[G rauder]

In 1964 the Avanti R2 and R3 engines came with a factory centrifugal blower.



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In piston-type internal combustion engines, an air compressor or blower is used to increase the amount of air drawn into the cylinders by the pumping action of the pistons during each intake stroke. With the additional air, more fuel is burned, and the power of the engine is thus increased. The efficiency of the charging process in an automotive engine usually rises to a peak of slightly more than 80 percent at about half the rated speed of the engine and then decreases considerably at higher speed. This change in air charge per cycle with engine speed is reflected in proportionate changes in the torque, or turning effort, applied to the crankshaft and causes the power that the engine can deliver at full throttle to reach a maximum as engine speed increases. At speeds above this peaking speed, the air charge introduced per cycle falls off so rapidly that less power is developed than at lower speeds. The inability of the engine to draw in a full charge of fresh air at high speeds limits the power output of the engine.
Supercharging overcomes this disadvantage by the use of a pump or blower to raise the pressure of the air supplied to the cylinders, increasing the weight of charge. The power loss in unsupercharged engines at high altitudes can be restored; it is possible to double the power of an engine by supercharging. Increased charge density and temperature, from supercharging, increase combustion knock or roughness in the spark-ignition engine and thus necessitates an undesirable decrease in compression ratio or the use of an antiknock fuel. The supercharging blower may be geared to the crankshaft, in which case the power consumed in driving it is added to the friction loss of the engine. A turbocharger employs a gas turbine operated by the exhaust gases to drive a centrifugal blower. The turbocharged engine gains increased power capacity and operates at improved fuel economy.

[FordNut]

In 1964 the Avanti R2 and R3 engines came with a factory centrifugal blower.


Great find. I've always felt that Studebaker was ahead of their time.

[Ralph Sr.]

guys - a 1957 ford or t-bird, could be ordered with the paxton blower !!someone all ready posted it in the 1957 t-bird... they were very quick in their day rated 300 horse, were more like 340 horse. it sure was nice to see them in 1957 ford custom coupe [lightest],beat 1957 chevy fuelie at half track and pull off the win..we had to race a 57 fuelie 3 times b/c he said his chevy was never beaten, till that day...