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MM03MOK
11-13-2003, 11:53 AM
This is for you, MAD! I'm partial to a Black and Tan myself!

Study finds dark beer is good for you - but not the calories
By JOHN FAUBER
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Last Updated: Nov. 11, 2003
Orlando, Fla. - Like chocolate and wine, the darker the beer, the better it may be for your heart, according to a new study.

In a comparison of Guinness Stout, a dark beer, and Heineken, a light beer, the darker brew had substantially more anti-clotting activity, according to a University of Wisconsin-Madison scientist who presented his findings Tuesday at the American Heart Association annual meeting.

Guinness proved to be about twice as effective at preventing the blood platelets from clumping and forming the kind of clot that can cause a heart attack, according to the study's main author, John Folts, a professor of medicine and nutritional director of the UW Coronary Thrombosis Research and Vascular Biology Laboratory.

The beneficial effect comes from flavonoids in the beer. Flavonoids are anti-oxidant compounds that provide the dark color in many fruits and vegetables. There are hundreds of flavonoids in beer, Folts said.

Flavonoids also work to prevent the oxidation of cholesterol, which plays a role in causing atherosclerosis - known as hardening of the arteries. They also help arteries to dilate, which improves blood flow and blood pressure, he said.

While the research was done on eight dogs and in the lab on human blood, Folts said the findings apply to people as well.

He said a person would have to reach a blood alcohol level of 0.06 in order to get the optimal anti-clotting effect. He said that for the typical person, that could be accomplished with two 12-ounce bottles.

However, doctors warned that even though dark beer may have heart-healthy properties, it also has a downside that could negate any benefit: extra calories.

Dark chocolate and red wine have similar properties, but they also provide extra calories, and obesity is a risk factor for heart disease.

"The bottom line is obesity is a major problem," said Alice Lichtenstein, a professor of nutrition at Tufts University and vice chairman of the American Heart Association's nutrition committee. "People need to worry about energy balance."

She added that those foods may have a lot of potentially beneficial components, but it's not well known which ones are the most beneficial. Until the actual active compounds are identified, she said she can't recommend one food or beverage over another.

"There is such a range of dark beer and wines," she said. "There is such variation in the composition. It may be that it's not all dark beer" that's beneficial.

Variation in the beneficial components could be due to diverse factors ranging from storage conditions to growing conditions, she said.

However, Ronald Korthuis, a professor of physiology at the Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center, said Folts' research bolsters epidemiological studies suggesting that alcoholic beverages can reduce heart attacks.

"What is impressive about Dr. Folts' observations is that the flavonoids in dark beer produce anti-platelet effects that rival those of aspirin," Korthuis said.

By understanding how these beverages work, it may be possible to develop therapies that mimic alcohol's beneficial properties, "but do not produce the unwanted negative social and pathophysiological effects," he said.

Folts said his goal is to isolate those compounds and put them into a pill.

In the meantime, he has at least one more study in mind.

"We'd like to do a study and have people drink dark beer for two weeks and drink two weeks of light-colored beer," he said. "We haven't found anybody interested in funding that."

MAD-3R
11-13-2003, 11:58 AM
YES!!!

But thats why two is my limit anyway.

darebren
11-13-2003, 12:00 PM
Guinness is the only beer I drink. unless there is nothing else around, then Heineken or Molson.

Dr Caleb
11-13-2003, 12:34 PM
#1 Warthog
#2 Guinness
#3 Kilkenny
#4 Double Diamond

The go up for a second round :)

#1 Guinness and Cider
#2 Guinness and Lager (Black and Tan)
#3 Guinness and Champagne if I'm feeling rich. (Black Velvet)
http://www.mcnallysirishpubs.com/bar/


The hard stuff to find is Chillikoot or Yukon Gold. I have to go to the actual brewery for that, and it's a ways away.
http://www.yukonbeer.com/brews/yukonGold.html
http://www.yukonbeer.com/about/Home.html

http://www.bigrockbeer.com/

GarageMahal
11-13-2003, 01:45 PM
I love stout :)

#1 - Microbrew stouts, love the variety
#2 - Extra thick porters (Fuller's comes to mind)
#3 - Guinness
#4 - Newcastle
#5 - water

Thank god Guinness is so widely available. I just wish some of the others were too.

If I can see through it, I won't drink it. (unless its single malt of course)

jta

RCSignals
11-13-2003, 09:40 PM
Has anyone tried MacTarnahan's BlackWatch?

Bigdogjim
11-13-2003, 09:58 PM
Nice post Bunny! Just ask any Irishmen! We have known this for almost ever.


Guinness is/was actually order/prescribed by Irish Doctors for generations.:)
:D ;) :beer:

Michael_S
11-17-2003, 06:29 AM
My favorites are:
1. McEwan's Scotch Ale (it's actually moderately dark - and incredibly tasty)
2. Mackeson XXX Stout - best beer I've ever had.

They're about $3 a bottle near me, but since I only have a few beers here and there, it's money well spent.

MapleLeafMerc
11-17-2003, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by GarageMahal
I love stout :)

#1 - Microbrew stouts, love the variety
#2 - Extra thick porters (Fuller's comes to mind)
#3 - Guinness
#4 - Newcastle
#5 - water


WC Fields once explained his disdain for water by observing that fish sc****d in it :lol: