Eaton Swap #11

[SmokdMercRauder]

Hey all...I've finally had time to do a little write up and post pics...This is a very busy week for me.. As I work fulltime then start working on my car right after...I got the brackets, serp belt, fuel pump, spark plugs, cooling mod, powerder coated valve covers, lower blower pulley, custom coolant T fitting and I think thats it.. so far!! I was thinking I could make the stock MM battery tray work but its seems to be more trouble going that route..I modified the lower intake and passenger side coolant mod fitting as well..

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Not everyones brake fluid can be as clean as Dooms all the time....LOL

[DTUB]

Looking good dude, keep the pics coming. :)

[guspech750]

Yeah baby!! Looks sweet!!

[dohc324ci]

Sweet another eaton swap! Looking good man.

[musclemerc]

Looking good! I finally got to see your JBA's

[SmokdMercRauder]

yea I finally got to take a pic of them from the top...even though that pic was from a cell phone.. More pics on the way later tonight...did all you eaton guys just silicone the intercooler to the blower and the blower to intake?? I have a gasket for the blower to intake....Was just wondering...Seems like I've seen silicone everywhere on most of the eaton swaps...

[Zack]

yea I finally got to take a pic of them from the top...even though that pic was from a cell phone.. More pics on the way later tonight...did all you eaton guys just silicone the intercooler to the blower and the blower to intake?? I have a gasket for the blower to intake....Was just wondering...Seems like I've seen silicone everywhere on most of the eaton swaps...



Use Aenerobic Gasket Maker...Blue tube..kinda pricey...made by Permatex

Did you pull the engine to install the headers and Cam covers?

Looks good!

[burt ragio]

I love your cross over tube T mod. With that extra weight your ET will be slower than mine. Nice work keep the photos comming.

[SmokdMercRauder]

Use Aenerobic Gasket Maker...Blue tube..kinda pricey...made by Permatex

Did you pull the engine to install the headers and Cam covers?

Looks good!


LOL....No thats my other motor.. I just set the valve covers on it, I stole them off of it in the first place!!!

[Zack]

You are a brave man welding steel to cast iron.

[SmokdMercRauder]

both pieces are steel

[jdenning002]

I used the same "T" pipe coupler from the hardware store with our welding anything, I just slipped the hoses on and clampped...

Looking good!

[ImpalaSlayer]

lookin good man. any Qs you got my number

[tjl006]

Yeah any questions you got Daves number, fell free to call him any time day or night, he prefers early morning 4-5 oclock. You have my permission

[ImpalaSlayer]

Yeah any questions you got Daves number, fell free to call him any time day or night, he prefers early morning 4-5 oclock. You have my permission


all calls after midnight will be automatically forwarded to Tom:D

[Zack]

Im so glad others have taken on phone support

[tjl006]

Zack I thought you were in charge of the hours betwen 6am-3pm. We got to get our shift schedule worked out. But back to the topic the swap is looking good so far. Nice to see that u painted the coolant tube in the valley after you hammer it. U dont want that rusting out.

[SmokdMercRauder]

all calls after midnight will be automatically forwarded to Tom:D
LOl.. When mounting the heat exchanger did you guys move the horn and mount the i/c around there??

[Zack]

LOl.. When mounting the heat exchanger did you guys move the horn and mount the i/c around there??

Screw the horn into the cross brace between the bumper and condenser.

What kind if Heat exchanger did you go with?

[SmokdMercRauder]

Zack I thought you were in charge of the hours betwen 6am-3pm. We got to get our shift schedule worked out. But back to the topic the swap is looking good so far. Nice to see that u painted the coolant tube in the valley after you hammer it. U dont want that rusting out.
I think my pm's alone were getting Zack a lil work'd up....

[SmokdMercRauder]

Stock Heat Exchanger

[Zack]

I think my pm's alone were getting Zack a lil work'd up....

No no no.... If I dont respond to someone's PM, its one of 2 reasons:

1. Its a really dumb question
2. You can answer the question on your own, but you dont want to do the legwork. :D

[Zack]

Stock Heat Exchanger


Get a trans cooler install kit and hang it right in from of the hood latch.

I have pics in the bazzlebear eaton swap thread.

[tjl006]

I mounted my tranny cooler up high by the hood latch and my intercooler(frozenboost) lower behind the bumper cover.

[SmokdMercRauder]

No no no.... If I dont respond to someone's PM, its one of 2 reasons:

1. Its a really dumb question
2. You can answer the question on your own, but you dont want to do the legwork. :D
No I just meant I kept asking questions...and cool I got the trans cooler kit...Should I add another trans cooler as well?

[ImpalaSlayer]

Im so glad others have taken on phone support

ive been on eaton tech support. some times i send them to you just for fun though :D

[SmokdMercRauder]

The blower is on....BUT....I think i'm going to have a hood clearance issue...For the fact that when I did the headers I raised both sides 3/8ths of a inch or so....I might take the shims out and fabb the steering shaft some more....:shake:

[SmokdMercRauder]

Heres more pics, i'm almost done... Just finish the crossover tube.
Really all thats left is, the battery to the driverside, all the wiring, and the coolant hoses...Does anyone know have a blower tensioner pulley sitting around or know where to get just the pulley by it self???

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[DTUB]

Heres more pics, i'm almost done... Just finish the crossover tube.
Really all thats left is, the battery to the driverside, all the wiring, and the coolant hoses...Does anyone know have a blower tensioner pulley sitting around or know where to get just the pulley by it self???

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http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o169/sonofarasta/PIC_0288.jpgNice job man, What pulleys are you running and it looks like you mounted your IAC backwards. I was just wondering if that would cause any issues cuz I want to run mine like that too.

[SmokdMercRauder]

LOL..yeah I just threaded the screws in, then I sat back looked at everything and was like ooops!! I running a 3.0 upper and stock lower...

[ImpalaSlayer]

lookin good Nuru

[SmokdMercRauder]

Thanks Dave.. It wouldn't have happened without you guys..
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[LANDY]

eaton swap FTW.

[guspech750]

Looks very cool!! I love this picture the best!!

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[jdenning002]

looking good!

[ImpalaSlayer]

hey Nuru, you gona be at carlisle?

[swordfish]

The blower is on....BUT....I think i'm going to have a hood clearance issue...For the fact that when I did the headers I raised both sides 3/8ths of a inch or so....I might take the shims out and fabb the steering shaft some more....:shake:

Did you have to remove the shims?

[SmokdMercRauder]

hey Nuru, you gona be at carlisle?
I have never been but I think I may go this year...


Did you have to remove the shims? I Haven't done it yet, I am considering making a steering shaft to clear the header or lower the motor down and take a lil more meat off the shaft...

All you guys that have done the eaton swap, when you bought the blower tensioner, didn't your pulley come ribbed?? if so what pulley did you use???

[ImpalaSlayer]

I have never been but I think I may go this year...



im just going to ride up for the day saturday. cmon, i need an eaton swap brother

[ctrlraven]

Awesome man! At least I know my 4.10s will be put in by someone who knows a thing or two. lol

[SmokdMercRauder]

The swap is finished..Theres just one thing!!! The car revs to 3000 rpms with the maf plugged in and throttle cloesed:eek:..W/o it idles kinda rough..The car has a base tune on it for the swap...Thought about a vacuum leak. Sprayed it down to check for leaks in possible spots, not much of a difference. Monitored pids and saw the maf volt's @ 1.5 with the engine idling @ 575-625 rpm's:shake:. Thats hi..Checked over all the wiring, its was done the right way..I still am kinda thinking vacuum leak..Sorry but its way past my bedtime as its 3:00am.. I typed this already and it got deleted.. So good night and good morning!! Also I removed just about all the shims and took a lil more metal off the shaft.. Here's some pics..


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[ImpalaSlayer]

not a huge fan of how the COT was done but it is the simpler way. otherwise looks great! nice job dude

[Motorhead350]

See what you have done Zack? LOL

[Zack]

Log MAF COUNTS at idle...they should be around 160-180.

With the way you routed your throttle cable, it is possible the butterflies are open a little.
If the MAF is plugged in and it idles that high, definitely a vacuum leak or stuck throttle plates.

[jdenning002]

looks great!

[SmokdMercRauder]

Log MAF COUNTS at idle...they should be around 160-180.

With the way you routed your throttle cable, it is possible the butterflies are open a little.
If the MAF is plugged in and it idles that high, definitely a vacuum leak or stuck throttle plates.

The throttle is closed its not hanging up...I really thought it was a vaccuum leak but, I just smoked tested it with no luck finding a leak...With the maf connected it will rev hi and kinda stay there even if the throttle is snapped...

[Zack]

Are you using a MAFia?

[SmokdMercRauder]

no MaFia...

[SmokdMercRauder]

I found the problem..........yes..:banana2 :....Well the blower has an aftermarket inlet and I used my factory MM T/B..:shake: So im getting a factory cobra inlet & t/b... I'm taking the car to get tuned tomorrow...Now I can rest tonight:beatnik:

[bawazir]

NICE! hop you make some good numbers

[ImpalaSlayer]

Nuru, i have a stock plenum if you need it. like i said ont he phone though, the mm tb and cobra tb are the same

[SmokdMercRauder]

Nuru, i have a stock plenum if you need it. like i said ont he phone though, the mm tb and cobra tb are the same
Cool, I shall keep you posted..I should be getting one today..Thanks again..

[76719]

if u dont mind me asking were are u getting the car tuned at.

[guccijayda]

I cant wait to see it when your done:burnout:

[SmokdMercRauder]

Excessive Motorsports

[NATEHAWK]

Excessive Motorsports

Good choice for dyno tuning. Chris takes alot of time with your car. You will be pleased.

[Zack]

So I was sorta right huh? LOL

Great news, good luck on the dyno

[SmokdMercRauder]

Got the car to the dyno..It went well.. The Guys at Excessive did a good job tuning my car!! They did a real safe tune and the car made 442 and 455 ft lbs @13psi...Zack, yes you help me look in a direction..between working fulltime and the swap I was gettng tired real quick..
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[bawazir]

Wow nice numbers, wow we lots of Eaton swap this past 2 month

[Marauder Rick]

Looks good. Well...you got dyno'd 1st so i guess u r #11. I dont go till next Monday. Good job on the swap and on the numbers.

[ImpalaSlayer]

very nice Nuru, what was the timing set at?

[merc]

Got the car to the dyno..It went well.. The Guys at Excessive did a good job tuning my car!! They did a real safe tune and the car made 442 and 455 ft lbs @13psi...Zack, yes you help me look in a direction..between working fulltime and the swap I was gettng tired real quick..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAKemkpLL08

Nice numbers, but I disagree, 442 and 455 ft lbs @13psi and the word safe in the same sentence is a oxymoron. You are dangerously close to the magic number that most consider the unsafe for stock motors. That being said have fun in the world of boost. The car really wakes up with a blower attached.

[SmokdMercRauder]

Nice numbers, but I disagree, 442 and 455 ft lbs @13psi and the word safe in the same sentence is a oxymoron. You are dangerously close to the magic number that most consider the unsafe for stock motors. That being said have fun in the world of boost. The car really wakes up with a blower attached.
I was reffering to the tune...



The timing was set to 12 degrees or so with the safer tune... The other tune was set for 15 degrees which I haven't ran yet...

[Zack]

I was reffering to the tune...



The timing was set to 12 degrees or so with the safer tune... The other tune was set for 15 degrees which I haven't ran yet...

Dont it will detonate on the street with 15 degrees.

It wont detonate on a dyno though...not enough load on the engine.

[jdenning002]

Dont it will detonate on the street with 15 degrees.

It wont detonate on a dyno though...not enough load on the engine.

what is the safest timing number in your opinion Zack?

Remember, all we have out here in CA for gas is 91 octane...

I thought my tuner said I was at 16 or 17 degrees... but I could be wrong.

[Zack]

what is the safest timing number in your opinion Zack?

Remember, all we have out here in CA for gas is 91 octane...

I thought my tuner said I was at 16 or 17 degrees... but I could be wrong.

I cant seem to squeeze more than 12-13 in without it pinging.
There is a function in the pcm that adds timing in based on Air/Fuel, but the Marauders never seem to do this (at least not on my cars)
Tuners factor this adder into total timing and come up with the higher number. You wont know what timing the pcm is actually throwing in unless you log it at WOT.

[jdenning002]

I cant seem to squeeze more than 12-13 in without it pinging.
There is a function in the pcm that adds timing in based on Air/Fuel, but the Marauders never seem to do this (at least not on my cars)
Tuners factor this adder into total timing and come up with the higher number. You wont know what timing the pcm is actually throwing in unless you log it at WOT.

thanks for the info, I will run a data log...

[ImpalaSlayer]

I was reffering to the tune...



The timing was set to 12 degrees or so with the safer tune... The other tune was set for 15 degrees which I haven't ran yet...

damn man, thats what im at with more boost and didnt make that kinda power.

[justbob]

I don't even know what my timing is at? I notice huge difference in numbers on all these cars. I am making 445 but only 431 tq with 11.4 boost? No other mods except 90 MM Maf/ mafia. Standard Trilogy 39# injectors and walbro w/ BAP. What changes in the tune causes such big differences Zack? Mostly timing and what else?

[ImpalaSlayer]

I don't even know what mine is at? I notice huge difference in numbers on all these cars. I am making 445 but only 431 tq with 11.4 boost? No other mods except 90 MM Maf/ mafia. Standard Trilogy 39# injectors and walbro w/ BAP. What changes in the tune causes such big differences Zack? Mostly timing and what else?

i know my car is weak compared to others, and i even have headers.

[SmokdMercRauder]

That is crazy I only have shorties...

[musclemerc]

Just out of curiosity, could you send me a pic of the steering shaft and the motor mount for refrence? When I decide Roots or Centri. I may need it for refrence if I have to remove my motor mount shims.

[MercNasty]

ImpalaSlayer,
Give me that stealth SB, everytime i see your car i dislike mine more and more.