MM vs. MarkVII

[03blackmerc]

my friend recently purchased a 1996 lincoln Mark VII. i know the lincoln has a simiar motor as the MM, but what exactly is the difference? only reason why im asking is hes pretty confident he can beat My MM. i have a few mild mods including a tune and i dont think he has a chance. what do you guys think? o ya the mark VII is bone stock exceppt exhaust.

[Joe Walsh]

The 4-valve DOHC version of the Modular engine was introduced in the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII as the 4.6 L Four-Cam V8. Lincoln marketed the engine under the name InTech after 1995.[5]

The 1993–1998 4-valve engines featured cylinder heads with two intake ports per cylinder (split-port) and variable runner length intake manifolds with either vacuum or electrically activated intake manifold runner controls (IMRC) depending on application. The engine was revised for 1999 with new cylinder heads featuring tumble-style intake ports (one intake port feeding two intake valves), new camshaft profiles, and fixed runner-length intake manifolds. These changes resulted in more power, torque and a broader power-band when compared to the earlier 4-valve engines.

All 4.6 L 4-valve engines featured aluminum engine blocks with 6-bolt main bearing caps, with the only exception being the 2003–2004 SVT Cobra which had a 4-bolt main cast iron block. The 1999 and earlier engines featured an aluminum block cast in Italy by Fiat subsidiary Teksid S.p.A. Since 1996, all of the 4.6 L 4-valve engines manufactured for use in the SVT Cobra have been hand-built by SVT technicians at Ford's Romeo, Michigan plant.[6]

The 4-valve DOHC 4.6 L engine was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1996.

Vehicles equipped with the 32-valve DOHC 4.6 L include the following:

1993–1998 Lincoln Mark VIII, 280 hp (209 kW) and 285 lb·ft (386 N·m)
1995–1997 Lincoln Continental, 260 hp (194 kW) and 265 lb·ft (359 N·m)
1996–1998 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, 305 hp (227 kW) and 300 lb·ft (407 N·m)
1995–1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC, 290 hp (216 kW) and 295 lb·ft (400 N·m)
1998–2002 Lincoln Continental, 275 hp (205 kW) and 275 lb·ft (373 N·m)
1999/2001 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2000-2001 Qvale Mangusta, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2003-2005 MG X-Power SV, 320 hp (239 kW) and 317 lb·ft (430 N·m)
2000–2008 Panoz Esperante, 320 hp (239 kW) and 320 lb·ft (434 N·m) [7]
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1, 305 hp (227 kW) and 320 lb·ft (434 N·m)
2004 Ford Mustang Mach 1, 310 hp (231 kW) and 335 lb·ft (454 N·m) [8]
2003–2004 Mercury Marauder, 302 hp (225 kW) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m)
2003–2005 Lincoln Aviator, 302 hp (225 kW) and 318 lb·ft (431 N·m)
2003–2004 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra, Iron block, Supercharged, 390 hp (291 kW) and 390 lb·ft (529 N·m)

[cougar9150]

Main difference if I remember correctly is that the Mark VIII doesn't use coil on plug. The factory ratings are way different though, if I remember correctly the Mark VIIIs were only rated around 280 or so flywheel HP so you automatically have the HP/TQ numbers. They also had lower gearing than the MM if I remember like 3.07 or something.

If he's paid off I would run for pinks as I think you will eat him up, especially with the few minor mods you have.

[03blackmerc]

ha ha thats what i thought hes going down! thanks for the info guys

[Brian H]

Yea, the beatdown shouldn't be a problem. I've got a bunch of Mark 8 doors in my geerage...... (HAHAHA)

[Zack]

Mark VIII's are much more aerodynamic than a Marauder and in turn are faster than you might think.

[markilla]

Also lighter

[Joe Walsh]

Arriving midyear was a new LSC (Luxury Sport Coupe) model which built on the standard Mark VIII by offering unique performance enhancements and other features. Chief among these was a more aggressively tuned version of the standard 4.6 L DOHC V8, now marketed under the name InTech regardless of model, which now made use of a true dual exhaust and produced 290 hp (220 kW) @ 5750 rpm and 295 lb·ft (400 N·m) of torque @ 4500 rpm. The Mark VIII LSC used the same 4R70W automatic transmission as the standard Mark VIII but featured a more aggressive rear axle ratio of 3.27:1. The brochure for the 1995 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC claims a zero to 60 MPH acceleration time of 7.6 seconds

1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 95 mph.

stock vs. stock: Looks like a dead heat to me....

[massacre]

MarkVIIIs had B heads, MM has C heads.
Later MarkVIIIs had COP ignition.
Also Mark has IRS so wheelhop might be an issue for him.
Gearing is 3.08.
'96 has two-piece driveshaft.

[ImpalaSlayer]

i thought he meant a mark 7. mmmmm me likey

[Serge]

There is only one sure way to find out...

[BAD MERC]

I think - but not 100% that the Mark VIII has a 2.73 (or 3.07) rear which will give the Marauder with a 3.55 a little advantage off the line. My Marauder with a 4.10 will spank my brothers '98 Mark VIII pretty handily.

[SpartaPerformance]

You will not have a problem, especially if you have a couple of bolt on's. If I'm not mistaken the Marauder has a more aggressive power curve so besides the 20 or so extra peak HP, it has more power across the rpm range.

[lastdaze04]

When is the race??? Who won???? Curious minds want to know:D. Money is on the MM.:beer:
Rick

[boatmangc]

Mark VIII's are much more aerodynamic than a Marauder and in turn are faster than you might think.
Most of the Marks had the driveshafts changed before the MM ever came to be. Mine sure did.
Come on down, I cold use a spare set of MM doors!

[MO Merc]

I was going to buy a Mark VIII until I drove five of them. They feel heavy and would never spool up and take off like the marauder.Quick yes, faster than stock marauder no.Basic or LSC 98's I drove just could not bring it to the dance like the MM could.

[03blackmerc]

hi BI#*hed out! lol hes not talking so much smack now becaause he saw my brothers stock MM keepin up with my stang i think he got scared lol. this is deff. going to happen thow boys ill keep you updated....

[jerrym3]

I would have liked to see this motor in the 94-97 TBird.

(I started with 94 because of the improved dash layout of the 94 and up model.)

I think I read way back when that Ford didn't put this motor in the Bird because they figured buyers might think that the Lincoln wasn't worth the extra money.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I was going to buy a Mark VIII until I drove five of them. They feel heavy and would never spool up and take off like the marauder.Quick yes, faster than stock marauder no.Basic or LSC 98's I drove just could not bring it to the dance like the MM could.


Mine ran 11.2 at 128 MPH all day long.

[speedracer6]

Interesting conversation, as I was pondering a Marauder purchase, I remembered my 98 Mark VIII LSC has virtually an identical powertrain, IRS, is lighter and cheaper. I'm not sure why I would buy a Marauder. Anyone have any opinions why one over the other?

If my memory serves correctly, I don't the the Mark VIII had traction lok diff, did it?

[wht02lightning]

Interesting conversation, as I was pondering a Marauder purchase, I remembered my 98 Mark VIII LSC has virtually an identical powertrain, IRS, is lighter and cheaper. I'm not sure why I would buy a Marauder. Anyone have any opinions why one over the other?

If my memory serves correctly, I don't the the Mark VIII had traction lok diff, did it?

Well the Marauder has more HP, more doors, IMHO looks way better, is significantly newer, has a lower production, more interior room and and ill list no IRS as a plus. I looked at both as well and the MM was the hands down winner to me, thats why one sits in my driveway

[Big Black Beast]

I do really like the Mark VIII's. Especially in black. They look sort of UFO-ey.
They were definatly in the small pool of cars I was considering.

[Vortex]

And just in case you never heard of them (like me):

http://www.forbes.com/2001/04/23/0423test.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_XPower_SV

Both make the last Capri look good.

[jerrym3]

What was the difference between the Mark's and the Continental's motor? I think the Conti ran about 275 hp?

I test drove one once. Didn't beat it to death, but it was pretty quick.

[massacre]

^^^ Conti is FWD.

[CKMustangCobra]

My 93 Mark VIII in stock for would destroy my 03 MM in stock form. The nice higher RPM power band is stretched out of the gearing of the Mark VIII and it's almost 1000lbs lighter IIRC.

Felt a lot faster. Then I built the transmission, added an intake and 3.73s... it would take down a lot of Mustangs.

[Shermanator]

I've had both, a Mark and MM's. Actually, 1 Mark and I now own 4 MM's. Answer the question?

[jerrym3]

massacre

I know that the Conti was FWD, but they were offering such unbelievable discounts on leftovers (on top of my Ford Z plan status) that I had to drive one. I was replacing an 89 TownCar.

But, I waited too long, and all black/tan leftovers (my color choice) were sold. Otherwise, I would have bought one as the family hauler. (I still would have had my 94 TBird LX, and my 64 Galaxie and 58 TBird for cruises and shows.)

Car felt very responsive, and had an enormous trunk.

I was able to play around with the three setting adjustable suspension. There was a ride difference in the settings.

[speedracer6]

The 12 more hp is at the cost of 400 lbs. The rest is a matter of opinion. It's easier to upgrade the power than to lose 400 lbs.

It really seems to come down to the max potential on curvy roads (IRS) vs 1/4 mile time (solid axle) and whether any one over 5 feet tall will need to sit in the back seat.

[ImpalaSlayer]

Interesting conversation, as I was pondering a Marauder purchase, I remembered my 98 Mark VIII LSC has virtually an identical powertrain, IRS, is lighter and cheaper. I'm not sure why I would buy a Marauder. Anyone have any opinions why one over the other?

If my memory serves correctly, I don't the the Mark VIII had traction lok diff, did it?

unless you like the looks of a ***** on wheels dont buy a mark8.



edit: LOL you cant say pen-is

[JimmyXR7]

I was going to buy a Mark VIII until I drove five of them. They feel heavy and would never spool up and take off like the marauder.Quick yes, faster than stock marauder no.Basic or LSC 98's I drove just could not bring it to the dance like the MM could.

A friend purchased a new 1998(?) Lincoln Mark VIII as his first FORD product and really likes it. He saw my Maruader, which I purchased used and he thought I got a bargain. Both have the air bag suspension, 4 valve per cylinder engine, and other features. I wanted to stay with the rear wheel drive. He also has a corvette and a harley. I like the custom features and uniqueness of the Marauder besides some power.

I miss the torque my Marauder does not have. I grew up with a 428 cobra jet in the garage, with the instant power of the high torque in a relatively light unibody car. Tons of fun! Jim

[massacre]

All MarkVIIIs had an open diff, 3.08 gears.

[boatmangc]

You guys are hard man!
Our motor design was built for the Mark 8 first only it was the Teksid block (from Torino Italy) It worked out to be such a great powerplant that it found its way in different variations in the Cobra, the Aviator and the MM.
There were 2 different gear ratios in the Mark 8 as well as 2 different hp ratings between base and LSC.
The LSC had an open 3:27 diff with 290 HP
The base had I believe a 3:07 with 280 Hp. 285 rwt
The LSCs were definitely quicker than a base.
Curb weight <3800 lbs.
Depending on which car your buddy has and if anything was done to it you could have a good run on your hands. The Mark definitely has a much lower drag coefficient.
Having one of each I can honestly say that my Mark is much more comfortable on a long trip, at least for me, has no back seat (at least useable) and less than half of the trunk space of our MMs.
My Mark is mildly modified with 2 1/2 exhaust, X pipe and cold air. It will do an impressive one legger burnout through 2nd with no wheel hop. I spanked many Mustang GTs and C4 Vettes
It is lowered and with the IRS handles nice for a heavy 2 door luxo-barge.
I think my Mark is georgeous and my MM is tough looking. 2 great looking rides that are totally different.
My wife loves the looks of my Mark (over the MM) but thinks the MM is way more comfortable.
I love em both for different reasons.
Unfortunately my Mk 8 leaves any day now. I only have time to keep 1 black car to my standards right now and I don't want it to set for months at a time. But after 70K+ miles af trouble free driving I will always have a soft spot in my heart for it.

And who could forget this commercial;
http://www.markviii.org/video/mark.mpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/Latest%20Mark%20Pics/IMG_6353.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/Latest%20Mark%20Pics/IMG_6346.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/IMG_5805-1.jpg

[Big House]

Seeing them both...face to face, if I found a mint Mark VIII, I would consider getting it in place of my Rauder. That is a beauty you got there and would hate to see it go. I had a 94 T-bird before getting my Rauder.

[LANDY]

Gary, that is one beautiful, mark 8.

[cshorts]

I also used to have a Mark VIII before the Marauder and loved it. It was a 94 black on black, 17" 5 spokes and Magnaflow exhaust. The car did pretty well and I surpised lots of folks with it. Other than tranny issues the car was great. You could lower it at all the corners by just moving the ride height sensors and with it lowered the wide wheels and tires it handled great and looked better. The black leather interior was still mint after 14 years. Trunk was actually bigger than it looked but shallow. I could still get my hockey gear and sticks in the trunk (I can't get my sticks in the Marauder trunk). The other thing was it got great mileage on the highway with that 3.07 rear (70 mph and under 2000 rpm). I hope Lincoln (with the new focus and attention with Mercury's demise), will come out with a 2 door performance sedan like the Mark VIII again.

[boatmangc]

Yeah me too,
I would buy a Mark 10

[boatmangc]

Here it is with the 2nd set of Foose wheels on a great road trip in 2008 just after SSHS8
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/capitolmark1.jpg

[MyRaider]

That is a nice looking car. :)

[boatmangc]

It left today :bigcry:, with it's last set of wheels, I returned the crappy a$$ Genuine Boyds wheels that they couldn't build to fit it. After several tries and almost a year I got my $$ back through Amex and they (Boyds) agreed to take them back.
This is the new owners choice of rims. I never was much for black wheels but it still didn't look bad. http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/Latest%20Mark%20Pics/IMG_8034.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h9/boatmangc/Latest%20Mark%20Pics/IMG_8028.jpg

[Seneca]

before being blown when i only had a intake and tune i got my butt handed to me by my brother inlaws stock 98 mark8 .. Watch out.. lol..

[Icarus]

It'd be close, but I think you'd take him. I've got a first gen Mark with a few mods. Not bad once you tighten them up and do some small things to 'em to wake them up a lil ;)

[boatmangc]

That's pretty too Icarus, did you post the sequential tailights on another board?

[Icarus]

That's pretty too Icarus, did you post the sequential tailights on another board?
Thank you :)
I've not finished the write up yet. I'm trying to figure out how to get a decent video up as well. The ones I have from my camera are 50MB+ (.mov) so wanted to get them smaller and a format that most can view...
I've gotten lots of compliments on them so far. I really like the 'chase' sequence so much more than the regular sequential one. Gary did an exceptional job on this! There is one very minor timing issue going from brakes to signal (another minor reason I've not done the write up either), but he's swamped right now with a new job so we are just pondering a possible fix in the mean time. His three light system works great but this four light is a new module for him so we need to get it perfect, which it is very very close to now, just need some free time, lol ;)