Eaton Swap vs. Trilogy Price?

[Linkin]

I realize that the Trilogy is custom perfect fit for the marauder and therefore it cost more because anyone can slap it on, but how much does the eaton swap cost, approx of course.

[Zack]

Appx 3200 in parts if you shop for them correctly.

[ImpalaSlayer]

yup^ exact same performance

[RocsMerc]

I mannaged to find a used trillogy kit for 2k but it's missing some parts. I already bought some of the missing parts and it looks like the final price will be around 3k not including the dyno tune.

[GAMike]

To be fair..... What you are paying for in a Trilogy(besides the blower) is the time and engineering that went into the fabrication of the kit parts, and the tune, so that you could run your vehicle as soon as the kit was properly installed and the tune properly loaded. Though subjective, the Trilogy is a much better looking display under hood with an very factory look. If a kit is acquired from Trilogy, a customer gets everything they needed exept tools and know how.

With the Eaton swap, the additional steps include fabbing/sourcing your own parts, dyno tuning (most do this with the Trilogy at some point too, again just to be fair) and the need for a considerable amount of time to install all of it..... Oh yea, and if you mess it up, or a part breaks during install??? You are on the hook vs, having Trilogy in your corner......

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say.......In terms of time to street/track with a well performing Marauder........ The Trilogy set up will get you to a finished usable vehicle quicker and more finished off, if that is a factor in your decision making.

Food for thought. I know we all like what we have. Not out to convince folks of what should be a personal choice..... Just want to offer a balanced perspecitive.:burnout:

[ImpalaSlayer]

To be fair..... What you are paying for in a Trilogy(besides the blower) is the time and engineering that went into the fabrication of the kit parts, and the tune, so that you could run your vehicle as soon as the kit was properly installed and the tune properly loaded. Though subjective, the Trilogy is a much better looking display under hood with an very factory look. If a kit is acquired from Trilogy, a customer gets everything they needed exept tools and know how.

With the Eaton swap, the additional steps include fabbing/sourcing your own parts, dyno tuning (most do this with the Trilogy at some point too, again just to be fair) and the need for a considerable amount of time to install all of it..... Oh yea, and if you mess it up, or a part breaks during install??? You are on the hook vs, having Trilogy in your corner......

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say.......In terms of time to street/track with a well performing Marauder........ The Trilogy set up will get you to a finished usable vehicle quicker and more finished off, if that is a factor in your decision making.

Food for thought. I know we all like what we have. Not out to convince folks of what should be a personal choice..... Just want to offer a balanced perspecitive.:burnout:

you pretty much nailed it, except the part about looks, my swap looks like my car came that way.

[SC Cheesehead]

you pretty much nailed it, except the part about looks, my swap looks like my car came that way.

+1

No doubt a Trilogy set-up looks really clean, but a well-installed Eaton swap looks pretty sweet, too.

[breeze]

my swap looks like my car came that way.

i want mine that way too dave!

[justbob]

I bought my kit used from a member and Jerry STILL stands behind it! Enough said.

[Dennis Reinhart]

To be fair..... What you are paying for in a Trilogy(besides the blower) is the time and engineering that went into the fabrication of the kit parts, and the tune, so that you could run your vehicle as soon as the kit was properly installed and the tune properly loaded. Though subjective, the Trilogy is a much better looking display under hood with an very factory look. If a kit is acquired from Trilogy, a customer gets everything they needed expert tools and know how.

With the Eaton swap, the additional steps include fabbing/sourcing your own parts, dyno tuning (most do this with the Trilogy at some point too, again just to be fair) and the need for a considerable amount of time to install all of it..... Oh yea, and if you mess it up, or a part breaks during install??? You are on the hook vs, having Trilogy in your corner......

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say.......In terms of time to street/track with a well performing Marauder........ The Trilogy set up will get you to a finished usable vehicle quicker and more finished off, if that is a factor in your decision making.

Food for thought. I know we all like what we have. Not out to convince folks of what should be a personal choice..... Just want to offer a balanced perspective.:burnout:



I fully agree go with Trilogy or Vortech, both are good kits both have there pluses and minuses, but at least you do not have to re do the engine compartment and with all that said and done, is it really worth it. Cobra Mustang Eaton blower that has been documented here to have the IAT's run in the 130 plus IAT range and on a stock Marauder with a SAFE tune might make 368, you have to remove the stock OEM knock sensors re'locate them where there entirely useless, after back to back passes at the track in hot weather the car becomes heat soaked, now this is just my opinion I am not trying to start a gang bang or Bonn fire so lets leave it at that. I do not care who's kit you use but do your home work.

Respectfully.
Dennis A Reinhart

[DOOM]

you pretty much nailed it, except the part about looks,

Yeah your intake is on the WRONG SIDE!!! :flamer:

[ImpalaSlayer]

Actually its on the right side, they came from the factory on the wrong side.

Dennis the cobra eaton and trilogy eaton and pretty much the same and you have to delete or relocate the useless knock sensors on either since they use the same lower intake

[Rockettman]

What about for us guys that have tons of knowledge with cars...but just under the line of "know-how", that maybe a blower install is best left up the pros?
Does Trilogy and anyone else, install these things - and does it increase the cost substantially?
(If this ever is in the cards for my car - I would even send it Trilogy if thats the case).

[Dennis Reinhart]

What about for us guys that have tons of knowledge with cars...but just under the line of "know-how", that maybe a blower install is best left up the pros?
Does Trilogy and anyone else, install these things - and does it increase the cost substantially?
(If this ever is in the cards for my car - I would even send it Trilogy if thats the case).



The average cost for the Trilogy is 6k non polished and the average install is 1000.00 if you have the car re,tuned that will be another 500.00 and it makes no difference in who you buy any kit from, you always want to have the AF reverified take no short cuts make sure it is set right and the SC will last the life of the car if treated properly.

[ImpalaSlayer]

if you know anything about mechanics or cars you can install a trilogy in a weekend. for the eaton swap, you have to know a little more and be able to think outside the box as there are no instructions and some fabrication is necessary.

[GAMike]

Good question, because the supercharger you select is only as good as the folks doing the installs.....

If you go with a Trilogy S/C, there are a number of options in no particular order(and yes installation costs will vary...... Contact direct for that info...)

--The Stooges (Tallboy, Carfixer, & Shakes26) These guys have done many installs and everyone who has had their services raves about em ... Out of So. FL but will travel :coolman:

-- Alternative Auto Lideo has done a good many installs and besides Dennis R. probably has more experience tuning Marauders than anyone.

-- Scott Levine Senior Master Technician formerly with Team Toyland here in Atlanta, now with Mullinax Ford in Canton, OH..... The only guy that has worked on my Marauders since I have owned them. He has alot of expertise with Ford Performance, and had performed many Trilogy installs in the past.

-- Wes Chain Out of Houston, TX sells Trilogy S/C's as well and provides installation services (Please correct any inaccuracies Wes as I am not as familiar with your offerings as the others listed).

There may be others up north + + +........ Sherm's son I know has done alot of work and is a superb tech/tuner of Marauders (based on the magic he has worked on Sherm's 10 sec. Marauder) but don't have enough info to comment more. Please feel free to add to this list if folks more detailed, relevant info.........

My guess is, if any of the above are chosen to perform the work, regardless of what you pay, you will be very happy. Again this is what I know about Trilogy specific installation services.....

Folks with knowledge about the Eaton Swap install services feel free to post up:burnout:



What about for us guys that have tons of knowledge with cars...but just under the line of "know-how", that maybe a blower install is best left up the pros?
Does Trilogy and anyone else, install these things - and does it increase the cost substantially?
(If this ever is in the cards for my car - I would even send it Trilogy if thats the case).

[Bradley G]

When you pay too little for something, you pay for dissapointment.

The last time out to the track 93P did five Hot Lap 12 second passes, all within a few hundredths.

When you break, or if a part fails, Trilogy is an OEM Engineer/Design company, they will help you.

As justbob mentiond in an eariler post, "Even if you are not a customer!"
The number of happy/ delighted Trilogy customers are in the hundreds.
Some people are here giving advice, where they have NO experience.

[ImpalaSlayer]

When you pay too little for something, you pay for disapointment.

The last time out to the track 93P did five Hot Lap 12 second passes, all within a few hundredths.

When you break, or if a part fails, Trilogy is an OEM Engineer/Design company, that will help you.

As justbob mentiond in an eariler post, "Even if you are not a customer!"
The number of happy/ delighted Trilogy customers are in the hundreds.
Some people are here giving advice, where they have NO experience.

Pay for dissapointment? Are you kidding me?

[Mac-MerC]

Pay for dissapointment? Are you kidding me?

naw..... i think he was dead serious

[lastdaze04]

I had Dennis R. Do mine and I am quite happy. He even improved it by several ways. The 2 most notable were making my fuel line read boost and relocting my IAT so that it does a better job.Thanks Dennis.. I have knowledge but but lack in the know how dept.:eek::beer:
Rick

[Zack]

When you pay too little for something, you pay for disapointment.

The last time out to the track 93P did five Hot Lap 12 second passes, all within a few hundredths.

When you break, or if a part fails, Trilogy is an OEM Engineer/Design company, that will help you.

As justbob mentiond in an eariler post, "Even if you are not a customer!"
The number of happy/ delighted Trilogy customers are in the hundreds.
Some people are here giving advice, where they have NO experience.

Everytime your lips seperate, this happens:

http://www.failking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/swing-and-a-fail.jpg

[Bradley G]

Pay for dissapointment? Are you kidding me?I am not sure you paid too little what was your total outlay?
Just a portion of the satisfaction I mentioned, is performance over time vs. savings.
How much time was involved accumulating used parts?

qUOTE=lastdaze04;948860]I had Dennis R. Do mine and I am quite happy. He even improved it by several ways. The 2 most notable were making my fuel line read boost and relocting my IAT so that it does a better job.Thanks Dennis.. I have knowledge but but lack in the know how dept.:eek::beer:
I never mentioned names, glad you are happy!
Best of luck with your health Rick, I sent a member a PM who asked me to keep an eye out for a nice used Marauder.
I would buy it if I had the means right now.
Peace and love be with you,
Bradley
Rick[/QUOTE]

[DOOM]

Pay for dissapointment? Are you kidding me?

Well you did pay to have your intake put on the wrong side. :P

:banned:

[ImpalaSlayer]

I am not sure you paid too little what was your total outlay?
Just a portion of the satisfaction I mentioned, is performance over time vs. savings.
How much time was involved accumulating used parts?




about a month gathering parts which i found to be one the most fun parts. and like 2 weeks to install working a few hours after work each day. i payed about 3500 including a dyno tune.

[sailsmen]

Many of the MM are over 8 years old with 100K miles and are selling for $8-$10K. The "new" owners tend to be younger with less money then those who bought new.

$2,500-$3,000 difference for someone who paid $8K for a car is huge and the difference between getting an S/C and not getting one.

Many of these "new" owners have more time on their hands and can do the install themselves, particularly with help from members on the board.:)

[SC Cheesehead]

I am not sure you paid too little what was your total outlay?
Just a portion of the satisfaction I mentioned, is performance over time vs. savings.
How much time was involved accumulating used parts?




about a month gathering parts which i found to be one the most fun parts. and like 2 weeks to install working a few hours after work each day. i payed about 3500 including a dyno tune.

A BIG +1 to what Dave said!

I'm not knocking Trilogys by any stretch of the imagination, they are the best aftermarket S/C set-up out there IMO, but they are buy it and bolt it on option. There's a lot to be said for "old skool" DYI, like before I was growed up. ;)

For me, a big part of the attraction in an Eaton swap IS the journey. I've been collecting parts since last spring, wheeling and dealing, looking for bargains, tracking down hard to find parts, and I have made a bunch of new friends and have gained a ton of knowledge as a result. Heck, I'm spending almost as much time over at SVTPerformance as I do here! :D

Certainly there's the financial aspect; I'm finally in a position where I can afford a Triolgy, but if I can do an Eaton swap for half of what it would cost me for a Trilogy, then I've got a couple thousand that I can spend on other mods; what's not to like about that?

That said, I defer to Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

[Bradley G]

Without Trilogy's R & D investment, there would be no Eaton swaps.

[Zack]

Without Trilogy's R & D investment, there would be no Eaton swaps.

Really? Go ahead and back that crackhead statement up.

Because the brackets were copied (stolen as you refer to it) that means no one else could ever have dreamed up another way to achieve the same goal?

Wait look! I think thats Jerry photographed in the pic below. Whuda thunk your tunnel vision would have him in it :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/images/2007/06/29/tunnel_june_07_23_470x320.jpg

[GAMike]

Zack:

Someone may have thought up sumthin for themselves sure.... But to develop/engineer and then stand behind components is a much larger undertaking than most weekend hotrodders are capable of..... Or want to deal with.

Never mind all the other things to deal with when commercializing (liability, business insurance, other legal questions ect.)a product as Trilogy/Jerry has done

Simply put he put his money where his mouth was long before anyone here, when it came to the Eaton setup. If the brackets being used for the Eaton Swap are similar in design(I don't know...Never seen an Eaton Swap up close) then just like in the record biz, you are "sampling" and in the record biz, royalties are paid on those samples.

Am I saying Eaton Swappers need to pay royalties??? I will leave that up to the folks on either side of this. I will say that if something was copied, just say it was, rather than all the back and forth.

In the end Trilogy put a very nice piece on the street and really showed the community how to do it right from early on, to the present time.

Now if you came up with your own brackets that don't look a darn thing like or are made with different materials/attach differently, then by all means that is original thinking.

[Zack]

This thread is pointless the more I look at it.

I eaton swapped my car, used my Brain and not my checkbook to install it, and the first time to the track with it I ran 11.99 @ 115.

If you wanna compare apples to apples, my kit out of the 'many boxes' is faster...where as the Trilogy looks great

[MrBluGruv]

Seems to me all I've seen that's been "copied" between the Trilogy kit and the cobra blower swap, unless I'm mistaken, were the couple of brackets. In my opinion, you reach a point where an idea or the way to achieve something can only be done a handful of ways, if not only one, so at what point do you draw the line of crying plagiarism? If they were the first on the market, would that mean they are entitled to be the only one?

I can agree that you get what you pay for, but in a sense, I think a number of these cobra blower swap guys have already payed-in in a sense by getting educated on how to make that happen in the first place.

Personally, I'd probably go Trilogy because I don't have that knowledge and I'd want someone to go back to if it doesn't work, but I also find the $$$-tag VERY appealing for the swap from a Cobra.

[RF Overlord]

No supercharger wars. :nono:

Let's just say that the Trilogy kit and the DIY Eaton each have advantages and if done properly both will be highly enjoyable.

[Bradley G]

I posted a plain and simple question, no war, no insult(s)?

[jstevens]

This thread is pointless the more I look at it.

I eaton swapped my car, used my Brain and not my checkbook to install it, and the first time to the track with it I ran 11.99 @ 115.

If you wanna compare apples to apples, my kit out of the 'many boxes' is faster...where as the Trilogy looks great

Its not the kit that makes it the fastest but the tune and if the engine holds together.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Its not the kit that makes it the fastest but the tune and if the engine holds together.


No truer words said.

[SC Cheesehead]

I posted a plain and simple question, no war, no insult(s)?

Yeah, but lots of pot stirring, Bradley. :rolleyes:

Methinks it's time to take RF's advice and give this a rest.

[Bradley G]

Just a different perspective here pal!
Your interpretation must get lost/miscued over the cyberwaves.
Hopefully some Eaton swappers will come clean on difficulties they have had going this route.



Yeah, but lots of pot stirring, Bradley. :rolleyes:

Methinks it's time to take RF's advice and give this a rest.

[GAMike]

This thread is pointless the more I look at it. Funny how it becomes pointless at your say so Zack. Not trying to stir the pot. Just being very direct....

I eaton swapped my car, used my Brain and not my checkbook to install it, and the first time to the track with it I ran 11.99 @ 115. Not denying you have a fast Marauder, but did you copy Trilogy parts because you have the knowhow and the access to tools others do not? Its a fair question....... And this would in all fairness, be comparing "Apples to Apples"

[ImpalaSlayer]

Seems to me all I've seen that's been "copied" between the Trilogy kit and the cobra blower swap, unless I'm mistaken, were the couple of brackets. In my opinion, you reach a point where an idea or the way to achieve something can only be done a handful of ways, if not only one, so at what point do you draw the line of crying plagiarism? If they were the first on the market, would that mean they are entitled to be the only one?

exactly! only so many ways to do something. to my knowledge they arnt copyrighted so who cares. besides, eaton swap brackets will not work with a trilogy

[SC Cheesehead]

Just a different perspective here pal!
Your interpretation must get lost/miscued over the cyberwaves.
Hopefully some Eaton swappers will come clean on difficulties they have had going this route.

Why is this even a concern to you, Bradley? I'm very aware that doing an Eaton swap is more difficult than an aftermarket bolt on S/C kit like a Triolgy. Anyone that's attempted an Eaton swap is aware of this, in fact, the challange of overcoming those problems is part of the fun!

What is your point in bringing this up?

It's very obvious that you look down on Eaton swaps, and just as you did over at MCM, it appears that you're trying to create an "Trilogy against Eaton" pissing match. Why?

[a_d_a_m]

It's very obvious that you look down on Eaton swaps, and just as you did over at MCM, it appears that you're trying to create an "Trilogy against Eaton" pissing match. Why? Because the MMN vs MCM pissing match hasn't been very active lately? :D

[breeze]

when i first bought my car i didnt want a S/C and didnt know anything about them like most ppl. as i gather parts for the swap i get familiar with what each part does and how it works so the swap has more then 1 advantage. i hated the fact that i had to collect the parts myself but its really easy and adds a chase knowing that with each part your getting closer. not everyboady has deep pockets and for the trilogy. eaton swap is all ford parts with part numbers so what the big deal. ''built not bought'' FTW! :P

[sailsmen]

Why is this even a concern to you, Bradley? I'm very aware that doing an Eaton swap is more difficult than an aftermarket bolt on S/C kit like a Triolgy. Anyone that's attempted an Eaton swap is aware of this, in fact, the challange of overcoming those problems is part of the fun!

What is your point in bringing this up?

It's very obvious that you look down on Eaton swaps, and just as you did over at MCM, it appears that you're trying to create an "Trilogy against Eaton" pissing match. Why?

When you pay too much for something, you pay for dissapointment?

I only posted that because I know Bradley is a stand up guy who can take a poke or two.;)

[Bradley G]

Why is this even a concern to you, Bradley? I'm very aware that doing an Eaton swap is more difficult than an aftermarket bolt on S/C kit like a Triolgy. Anyone that's attempted an Eaton swap is aware of this, in fact, the challange of overcoming those problems is part of the fun!

What is your point in bringing this up?

It's very obvious that you look down on Eaton swaps, and just as you did over at MCM, it appears that you're trying to create an "Trilogy against Eaton" pissing match. Why?

To let members know that the parts that are required to do the swap, are not within the same tolerances or quality that will be with a Trilogy kit.
Some may want this information brought to their attention before they attempt an Eaton swap.
The last failure I encountered with my car, was due to ignoring an idler bearing noise for many months.
Eventually the Alternator bracket(Trilogy part) was heavily damaged from the pulley breaking, which repeatedly banged into the alternator bracket.
The new bracket that Jerry Barnes CEO Trilogy Motorsports sent me, was in fact a tiny bit different, than the one I removed.
I assume that some changes do occur over the five + years and 65000 miles that I have had the Trilogy supercharger.
This required me to get a belt of a different length.
If the brackets are so easy to obtain/duplicate, why would another member contact me about purchacing a mangled bracket?




when i first bought my car i didnt want a S/C and didnt know anything about them like most ppl. as i gather parts for the swap i get familiar with what each part does and how it works so the swap has more then 1 advantage. i hated the fact that i had to collect the parts myself but its really easy and adds a chase knowing that with each part your getting closer. not everyboady has deep pockets and for the trilogy. eaton swap is all ford parts with part numbers so what the big deal. ''built not bought'' FTW! :P
The fead system was solely developed by professionals on CAD by Trilogy, regardless of what you think.


When you pay too much for something, you pay for dissapointment?

I only posted that because I know Bradley is a stand up guy who can take a poke or two.;)
I have experienced this many times in my travels.
Thanks for the compliment, I've been known to be able to take a few.
I don't mind landing a few myself too.

[GAMike]

More to the point..... If you know someone that went to all this effort to develop parts that you are thinking of making copies of......... Call/PM em to discuss it first..... I know some don't get along with ea. other here...Thats not the point its about doing what is appropriate. That is the right way to handle a thing like this.

If the person that invested alot of time does not mind a part being copied, then go with God........ If you don't know the person obviously these rules would not apply.

[Zack]

http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120921&postcount=26
http://www.motorcitymarauders.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120922&postcount=27

Post # 26 is ME, under my alias at the time
Post # 27 will put this issue to bed, so long as YOU drop it for good.

[RF Overlord]

This thread has gotten far enough off the track now...