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prchrman
09-01-2010, 12:03 PM
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‘Clunkers,’ a classic government folly
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / September 1, 2010
IN THE market for a used car? Good luck finding a bargain: The price of “pre-owned’’ vehicles has climbed considerably over the past year. According to Edmunds.com, a website for car buyers, a three-year-old automobile today will set you back, on average, close to $20,000 — a spike of more than 10 percent since last summer. For some popular models, the increase has been much steeper. In July, a used Cadillac Escalade was going for around $35,000, or nearly 36 percent over last July’s price.

Tweet 2diggsdiggYahoo! Buzz ShareThis Why are used-car prices rocketing? Part of the answer is that demand is up: With unemployment high and the economy uncertain, some car buyers who might otherwise be looking for a new truck or SUV are instead shopping for a used vehicle as a way to save money.

But an even bigger part of the answer is that the supply of used cars is artificially low, because your Uncle Sam decided last year to destroy hundreds of thousands of perfectly good automobiles as part of its hare-brained Car Allowance Rebate System — or, as most of us called it, Cash for Clunkers. That was the program under which the government paid consumers up to $4,500 when they traded in an old car and bought a new one with better gas mileage. The traded-in cars — which had to be in drivable condition to qualify for the rebate — were then demolished: Dealers were required to chemically wreck each car’s engine, and send the car to be crushed or shredded.

Congress and the Obama administration trumpeted Cash for Clunkers as a triumph — the president pronounced it “successful beyond anybody’s imagination.’’ Which it was, if you define success as getting people to take “free’’ money to make a purchase most of them are going to make anyway, while simultaneously wiping out productive assets that could provide value to many other consumers for years to come. By any rational standard, however, this program was sheer folly.

No great insight was needed to realize that Cash for Clunkers would work a hardship on people unable to afford a new car. “All this program did for them,’’ I wrote last August, “was guarantee that used cars will become more expensive. Poorer drivers will be penalized to subsidize new cars for wealthier drivers.’’ Alec Gutierrez, a senior analyst for Kelley Blue Book, predicted that used-car prices would surge by up to 10 percent. “It’s going to drive prices up on some of the most affordable vehicles we have on the road,’’ he told USA Today. In short, Washington spent nearly $3 billion to raise the price of mobility for drivers on a budget.

To be sure, Cash for Clunkers gave a powerful jolt to car sales in July and August of 2009. But it did so mostly by delaying sales that would otherwise have occurred in April, May, and June, or by accelerating those that would have taken place in September, October, or later. “Influencing the timing of consumers’ durable purchases is easy,’’ Edmunds CEO Jeremy Anwyl wrote a few days ago in a blog post looking back at the program. “Creating new purchases is not.’’ Of the 700,000 cars purchased during the clunkers frenzy, the estimated net increase in sales was only 125,000. Each incremental sale thus ended up costing the taxpayers a profligate $24,000.

Even on environmental grounds, Cash for Clunkers was an exorbitant dud. Researchers at the University of California-Davis calculated that the reduction of carbon dioxide attributable to the program cost no less than $237 per ton. In contrast, carbon emissions credits cost about $20 per ton in international markets.

Using Department of Transportation figures, the Associated Press calculated that replacing inefficient clunkers with new cars getting higher mileage would reduce CO2 emissions by around 700,000 tons a year — less than Americans emit in a single hour. Likewise, the projected reduction in gasoline use amounted to about as much as Americans go through in 4 hours. (And that’s only if you assume — contrary to historical experience — that fuel consumption decreases when fuel efficiency rises.)

When all is said and done, Cash for Clunkers was a deplorable exercise in budgetary wastefulness, asset destruction, environmental irrelevance, and economic idiocy. Other than that, it was a screaming success.

Jeff Jacoby can be reached at jacoby@globe.com.

Vortex
09-01-2010, 01:30 PM
I think it would have been a better program if it only applied to cars manufactured in the US, period. The destruction of those old cars, well, not an important issue to me. They werent classics and it drives up the price of exisiting used cars (a good thing if you are going to trade evenutally.) Frankly, Id rather see my tax dollars being spent fixing road, bridges, schools ect instead of short term grab bag programs.

Blk Mamba
09-01-2010, 01:34 PM
I would have preferred to see these "clunkers" given to the less fortunate, than melted down.

tbone
09-01-2010, 01:54 PM
I would have preferred to see these "clunkers" given to the less fortunate, than melted down.

You mean "income redistribution"? The last thing this country needs is another "here, you can have this for free and do nothing in return" program.

MrBluGruv
09-01-2010, 01:59 PM
You mean "income redistribution"? The last thing this country needs is another "here, you can have this for free and do nothing in return" program.

If it's taken as charity instead of a handout, would that sway your opinion? Now, instead of people that don't have money using them, now NOBODY can even if they wanted to. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand long-term handout programs, but if they were just gonna go to waste anyway...

tbone
09-01-2010, 02:09 PM
First off, the program never should have taken place. Secondly, no, I don't think giving away free cars is a good idea. It's just one more way of taking away a man's pride and self reliance and making him dependent on government and especially the bleeding heart Democrats who just want their votes.

MrBluGruv
09-01-2010, 02:19 PM
I 100% agree with your point about it not taking place at all.

BUT given it did (would, however you want to hypothetically phrase this),

I'm not saying it should be super easy to get one, but to simply scrap them is a bigger waste and disgrace than even GIVING them away. We were literally forced to pay money so that the market would shrink. That's sad and sick. I can imagine at least a FEW people that a clunker would be better than nothing. Hell, put up cars that are old and possibly barely running for a few hundred bucks to a grand for high school or college age students exclusively. More with cars = more able to work, I'm pretty sure that could help the bigger picture at least in the long run.

Like I said, I'm not trying to create an entitlement program, but seriously I don't think you could argue against a charitable aspect.

Pops
09-01-2010, 02:23 PM
Give them one car and they will expect them to be free forever. The welfare system in this country is proof of what will happen. See how you feel about it when you are 50 and have had to support a system that does not work. No reason to work when the check comes in the mail. Welfare has just caused more welfare with future generations.

tbone
09-01-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm just uncomfortable with this nanny state we live in nowadays. Did you know that 1 in 6 Americans are now getting some form of government assistance? I know that everyone needs a little help now and then, but this poor helpless me sh@* has got to stop.

Pops
09-01-2010, 02:29 PM
I'm just uncomfortable with this nanny state we live in nowadays. Did you know that 1 in 6 Americans are now getting some form of government assistance? I know that everyone needs a little help now and then, but this poor helpless me sh@* has got to stop.

You are 100% right!!!!

FordNut
09-01-2010, 03:37 PM
The air pollution savings are not accurate either. Consider all the relatively new cars that wwere destroyed, but a large percentage of them were relatively low polluting, catalyst-equipped, fuel injected cars with decent fuel mileage. Now the people that might be upgrading to these cars are continuing to drive their older, less efficient, higher-polluting cars because their potential upgrades aren't available.

yjmud
09-01-2010, 03:46 PM
the whole deal was bad it was a payday loan on the american public

Blk Mamba
09-01-2010, 04:50 PM
If these cars were used to take the elderly to the Dr., or a welfare mother to work, grocery shopping, the harm it would cause would be far less than the meltdown. (the money a single mother could save in a single week of shopping in a large grocery store, as opposed to the corner convenience store, probably in the end helps the ailing economy), I know there are a million arguments against, and I prefer not to hear them, I'm just saying there was a better way.

LIGHTNIN1
09-02-2010, 05:40 AM
first off, the program never should have taken place. Secondly, no, i don't think giving away free cars is a good idea. It's just one more way of taking away a man's pride and self reliance and making him dependent on government and especially the bleeding heart democrats who just want their votes.

amen........

ctrlraven
09-02-2010, 06:15 AM
Lounge topic?

CBT
09-02-2010, 07:00 AM
I think the better investment as far as giving them away goes would be to have given them all to illegal immigrants provided they drive back to where ever they came from, and they have to have at least 28 passengers per vehicle. Deal with 2 issues at once = Win!

tbone
09-02-2010, 07:50 AM
The air pollution savings are not accurate either. Consider all the relatively new cars that wwere destroyed, but a large percentage of them were relatively low polluting, catalyst-equipped, fuel injected cars with decent fuel mileage. Now the people that might be upgrading to these cars are continuing to drive their older, less efficient, higher-polluting cars because their potential upgrades aren't available.

Not only that, but just BUILDING the new car has a greater negative footprint on the environment than would have been felt if the old car was allowed to last its lifespan.

So in the end, more emissions were created. Brilliant.