Unbelievable Street Fight Video

[TheDealer]

http://69.28.156.67/a65/o1/portal/2481847_200.asf

[Petrograde]

That punk should've been f*****g executed in the street! Put him on his knees, and put a 9mm round into the back of his skull, and leave his sorry ass in the gutter.

Just my 2 cents.

Tom

[CRUZTAKER]

Uhh, guess one needs DSL to load this crap.
My bandwidth=0
Bummer, gotta love a good home video.

[Brutus]

I agree w/Petro but make it a .45

[MI2QWK4U]

Man, that guy wouldnt survive doing a stunt like that here in Detroit.

[martyo]

Is it me, or does it occur to anyone else here that the guy with the camera might have done something more productive like stepping in and kicking the **** out of that arseholio?

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by CRUZTAKER
Uhh, guess one needs DSL to load this crap.
My bandwidth=0
Bummer, gotta love a good home video.

You didn't see it??????

A skateboard punk and a guy are arguing about the skateboarder messing the other guy's car up somehow. It's a verbal pissing match until the skateboard punk slaps him in the face with the skateboard. When the guy falls and gets back up the punk hits him in the face with the skatebaord again. When he tries to get up a third time he busts him across the top of his head with the skateboard. After this, and when the guy gets up again, the punk takes off down the street like a hit & run coward. The sad part about it all..... once the skateboarder punk is retreating and fleeing the scene..... you can't legally pop a cap in his ass.

[JamesHecker]

It's times like that you want to be sure NOT to have a gun! The punk deserves to get capped, but the one doing it wouldn't deserve the consquences.

[bigslim]

Dave is right. Here in the Motor City that would never have happened. Someone needs to stick that board up his A$$.

[TripleTransAm]

And no one around did a single thing...

Very reflective of today's "not my problem" attitudes...

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by JamesHecker
It's times like that you want to be sure NOT to have a gun! The punk deserves to get capped, but the one doing it wouldn't deserve the consquences.

I disagree. If the guy (or anybody) had capped his butt between the 2nd and 3rd slap in the head with the skateboard, it would be ruled "justifiable homicide". After the second slap there was NO gaurantee that the punk would not continue and kill him possibly. A skatebaord is a deadly weapon in the manner in which the punk was using it.

I am willing to bet the guy suffered compound concussions and had to be hospitalized.

[Long Live #3]

By the way he was staggering, I'd say so.

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by Long Live #3
By the way he was staggering, I'd say so.

Exactly.

And since the video does exist, there's not a jury in th entire USA that would do anything to anybody who popped a cap in the punk's butt on the second slap of the skateboard. The punk was wise to run like a coward when he did. :)

[Dave Compson]

Same situation happened here where i live. The victim was put into a coma by the skateboard kid. The incident happened in a park where the skateboarder was skating in a tennis court area. The victim (tennis player) approached the kid in the court and asked him to skate somewhere else. I guess the kid didnt like that and hit the victim in the head with his board. The victim didnt look too bad and walked away, then later went into a coma. Dont remember exactlly what happened to the kid when they caught him probably not much if anything. The juvenile justice system sucks!

[SergntMac]

One day, this POS will get what he's asking for, and then we'll see his darling sweet high school pic, freckled rosy cheeks and all on TV while mom crys out about the promising future he once had.

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by SergntMac
One day, this POS will get what he's asking for, and then we'll see his darling sweet high school pic, freckled rosy cheeks and all on TV while mom crys out about the promising future he once had.


Or.......... you will see his mommy being interviewed on TV about the lawsuit he has filed about the deplorable conditions in the jail. Roaches, bugs, the food, not having access to certaint things (such as Playboy), having to wear white underwear, etc... She won't mention his beating somebody senseless with a skateboard though.

Only a true low life coward goes into hand to hand combat with a skateboard.

[TheDealer]

How about when the girl asked him for ID. Did you believe the scum bags reply?? Think he's a lettle mental to start with.

[woaface]

I'da beat the ****net outta that poser he did that to me or someone I was with. Hey Dealer...whur'd ya get that thurr video?!

[woaface]

Originally posted by TheDealer
How about when the girl asked him for ID. Did you believe the scum bags reply?? Think he's a lettle mental to start with.

Well, being a skater and all...

[TheDealer]

www.corral.net

[TheDealer]

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=413214

[03SILVERSTREAK]

I'd like to introduce him to Mr. Coco Bolohttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/t/newgrrr.gif

[jgc61sr2002]

Originally posted by ADELG670
I'd like to introduce him to Mr. Coco Bolohttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/t/newgrrr.gif They haven't used Coco Bolo batons in years. The new compounds or the steel retractable ones do a good job. I know where you are coming from.:D :up:

[SHERIFF]

Dealer, the Corral link you give mentions a guy dying and a skateboard punk being booked for murder. Is it the same people involved in the video?

[TheDealer]

No it's a different one. RAY

[Ross]

Someone never taught the one guy a major lesson: NEVER DEFEND. If a fight is inevitable, always get in the first AND the last blow. Sorry if the LE folks on here see it differently, but I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, and all anyone ever gets from fighting defensively is beaten. He should have taken it to that ********* and stuck the board up sideways.

[tetsu]

That video is a great example of an idiot waiting for someone to go upside his head. He stood their looking at him like a fool while the skater clocked him in the braincase. He's lucky the skater didn't know how to hit or he'd be dead from three shots to the bucket.

Never stop the car unless you are ready and able to bust out with some whoop***. That situation was esspecially dicey as there was several punks that couldve been the skaters boys.

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by Ross
.... always get in the first AND the last blow. He should have taken it to that ********* and stuck the board up sideways.


It's not that simple. Suppose the good guy had taken the skateboard away from the punk, and beat the living sheet out of the punk? The good guy would then be viewed as the aggressor by any jury.... and depnding on the extent of the punk's injuries, the good guy could face anywhere from 12 months to life in jail.

[Ross]

Sheriff, I understand your reply and reasoning. My point is that you should avoid a fight whenever possible, but if it's not possible, then win.
I am a trial lawyer, and although I now do civil trial work, I did some criminal defense in my youth. I understand the legal ramifications of what is self defense and what is just plain fighting, and therefore not defensible in court.
For me, the bottom line is survival. If a fight is inevitable, then I would rather win and have to explain it to a jury, than lose and not have to face a jury. That kid in the video could have easily been killed or crippled for life with brain injuries. Being legally correct wouldn't help him much then.
It's just like the old, and very true, statement that was used in the Old West. When there was a question as to whether someone should defend himself or not, they said, "It's better to be tried by twelve men than to be carried by six."
I know that LE doesn't like the idea of people "taking the law into their own hands," but I didn't see any LE around on that video to protect that kid.

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by Ross
.... but I didn't see any LE around on that video to protect that kid.

I agree with you. 100%. But being an attorney you know the system still does not work the way it is suppose to.

We all saw what the punk coward did in the video..... but let's try some different senarios...

1) The punk smacks the good guy up beside the head with the skateboard..... the good guy takes the skateboard away from the punk and knocks him out with it.... no criminal charges on good guy, self defense. Punk charged with assault & battery.

2) The punk threatens to hit the good guy.... but never does. The good guy grabs the skateboard and knocks the punk out. Criminal charges filed against the good guy as he has now become the aggressor. Words or threats does not give anybody the right to batter somebody.

3) The punk hits the good guy with the skatebaord, the good guy gets the skateboard away and tosses it 50 feet away..... mutual hand to hand combat ensues. The punk would be charged with assault and battery if I show up. The good guy would walk free as a state's witness.

4) The punk has smacked the good guy 3 times in the head with the skateboard (a deadly weapon obviously), the good guy pulls a gun and shoots punk right between the eyes..... manslaughter charges would be placed.... but a jury would never convict the good guy.

The concept of getting in the first blow and coming out of top is NOT protected by the laws in this land. The laws actually make you the aggressor, and that's simply not right. I think you will agree with this.

By the way, I just finished two 6-year-long lawsuits. Even though I had done nothing wrong whatsoever, the law did not protect me in any shape, fashion or form. The defendants were allowed by law to tie the cases up for 6 years while repeatedly portraying me as the bad guy. Just one lie after another, coming from cops, of all people. (Obviously they were protecting their own asses and wrongdoing.) Once we finally finished the motions, depositions, etc.... and got the judge to set a date for a jury trial the defendants called up and wanted to settle out of court real quick. They didn't want my cases in front of a jury. In other words, I was getting smacked up beside the head with a skateboard. If I had taken any action to defend myself I would certainly have been considered the aggressor, shown myself to actually be the bad guy, and blown my chances of proving the cops were lying and had done wrong from the very beginning.

edit - this reply is in no way a reflection on the hundreds of thousands of decent hard working cops in the USA. It involves a Rambo cop who crossed the line, his sergeant who did not perform his duties, and then they both had to lie to look innocent. The sergeant is no longer employed by the police department I sued. :)

[Ross]

Sheriff, those are my points exactly. Since we can't always count on the courts to make a right decision, we still have to decide, "Do I want to win this fight now, and take my chances in court, or do I want to wait until I KNOW I am legally justified to act, and by then it might be too late?" You know what my choice would be. In any given situation, I will not be the aggressor, but if there is an error to be made, I will err on the side of survival.

[SHERIFF]

I understand. I don't know why, but your last reply reminds me of the cops in New York who shot the guy 40 times for pulling out his wallet. You, like cops, have a split second to make a decision, and sometimes it's not always the right decision. Just be careful. :)

[MMdriver03]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SHERIFF

[/4) The punk has smacked the good guy 3 times in the head with the skateboard (a deadly weapon obviously), the good guy pulls a gun and shoots punk right between the eyes..... manslaughter charges would be placed.... but a jury would never convict the good guy. ] .............................. ................. I am not convinced that charges of any kind should be filed if it is a leagal weapon:confused: wouldn't that be protection of life ?

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by MMdriver03
I am not convinced that charges of any kind should be filed if it is a leagal weapon:confused: wouldn't that be protection of life ?



You are correct. For what it's worth.

But.... we're living in an age where everybody thinks everybody else should be held accountable for their actions, no matter how big or small that action may be. It's a branch coming off the political correctness tree nowadays.

To keep everybody happy you at least attempt to indict the good guy with manslaughter and let a Grand Jury set him free. Otherwise you send the message that people can kill each other in the streets, and the cops won't do anything about it if you make up a good enough tale about what happened.
Should the good guy have to foot the bill for an attorney and defend himself against a manslaughter charge? Hell no! And after viewing the video no Grand Jury would ever indict the good guy. If it was within their power the Grand Jury would probably like to give the good guy a medal of valour! :)

[MMdriver03]

Originally posted by SHERIFF
You are correct. For what it's worth.

But.... we're living in an age where everybody thinks everybody else should be held accountable for their actions, no matter how big or small that action may be. It's a branch coming off the political correctness tree nowadays. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree that there is not enough accountability today!! :rolleyes:

[SHERIFF]

Originally posted by MMdriver03
----------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree that there is not enough accountability today!!


Exactly my point. Thanks! :)

If the good guy had slain the punk, and the police had ruled it a "justifiable homicide", people would be screaming "coverup", "the police knew and liked the good guy", "poor innocent little boy struck down in the prime of his life!", "wonder who got paid off under the table in that murder", etc....

The ACLU or ambulance chasers would be filing a suit for the punk's family claiming the good guy came to a skateboard fight armed with a handgun, the good guy didn't play fair! :)

God, what a complicated world we have created for ourselves.