lowering the marauder? [Archive] - MercuryMarauder.net Forums

Youngblood

02-01-2011, 07:48 AM

I want to lower my marauder..I mean as low as possible using stock suspension(no bags or custom control amrs)I've been doing a lot of research and see a lot of people dislike the drop springs and most people end up cutting a coil to a coil and a half, what I wanna know what's the max i can cut off the factory springs. Is coil and a half the limit?. I know how to adjust the air ride. So that's not a problem. I just wanna know will I get more drop from cutting springs or getting the eibachs? Also if any one has pictures of their cars with eibachs, cut springs or anythng along those lines id love to see them

Thank you

jus4kix03MM

02-01-2011, 12:08 PM

Heres mine with eibach lowering springs and 20 inch wheels. rear lowered accordingly.http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/jus4kix79/mara-stangs/DSC_0094.jpg

Youngblood

02-01-2011, 02:07 PM

Car looks badass man. What offset are your rims? I'm in the market for wheels to

Blk Mamba

02-01-2011, 02:20 PM

jus4kix03MM, what size tires are you running on the 20's?

ctrlraven

02-01-2011, 04:03 PM

Heres mine with eibach lowering springs and 20 inch wheels. rear lowered accordingly.http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/jus4kix79/mara-stangs/DSC_0094.jpg
http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4963888/i-just-jizzed-in-my-pants.jpg

2,4shofast

02-01-2011, 04:28 PM

Here is mine with one full coil cut out of the front and the rear lowered on 20's as well.

BigM460

02-01-2011, 05:08 PM

How does it ride with the cut coil? Am looking to cut mine as soon as we have good weather, but does it ride firmer, or still feel the same?

RR|Suki

02-01-2011, 05:33 PM

off topic - The Marauder is made for 20s

2,4shofast

02-01-2011, 05:33 PM

I’m not sure how much firmer the ride quality is with just cutting a coil because I did all my suspension upgrades at the same time, new struts and sway bars all around. Doing it all at once was a much firmer ride but I’m not sure how much it would change just cutting a coil out.

2,4shofast

02-01-2011, 05:35 PM

off topic - The Marauder is made for 20s

Im sure there will be a few :flamer:with that comment but I agree 100%:hide:

ChiTownMaraud3r

02-01-2011, 05:47 PM

I agree, 20" is perfect size for this car, especially with deep lip on the back.

My MM with a cut coil feels exactly the same it did as stock. Also, depending on your coils, each car will have a different amount it will lower with a single coil being cut.

justbob

02-01-2011, 05:47 PM

Im sure there will be a few :flamer:with that comment but I agree 100%:hide:

Same here. 20's fo sho

ChiTownMaraud3r

02-01-2011, 05:54 PM

Also, thanks Bob for doing my cut coils install last year! Love the stance ever since.
:beer:

LANDY

02-01-2011, 06:13 PM

Both cars look amazing.

TAKEDOWN

02-01-2011, 06:38 PM

Jus4kix03MM, I'm diggin' the stance it looks aggressive!

Smalldogg/03mm

02-01-2011, 06:48 PM

Here is mine with one full coil cut out of the front and the rear lowered on 20's as well.

Baaaaad aaasssss hands down... This car has been my screen saver and what I want to do to mines.. Love the paint job...

rocko112869

02-01-2011, 06:48 PM

will be cutting my springs this weekend...want at least 1" drop...1 1/2 would be better!...gotta allow for some settling over time cause these are brand new OEM springs...that said does anyone have some suggestions on how much to cut...was gonna do 1 full coil but dont want to waste my time and only drop 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch....Also does anyone know the torq spec for the control arms?...i read you gotta loosen em to allow the car to drop?

BigM460

02-01-2011, 06:48 PM

My MM with a cut coil feels exactly the same it did as stock. Also, depending on your coils, each car will have a different amount it will lower with a single coil being cut.

Thanks! That's what I was wanting to hear!

Youngblood

02-01-2011, 06:58 PM

I want mine even lower if I can..can I do 2 coils or is 11/2 maxx?

Youngblood

02-01-2011, 07:04 PM

Also is it true the control arms need to be loosened and re tourqued to allow the control arm bushings to relieve tension?

LANDY

02-01-2011, 08:32 PM

https://webmail.east.cox.net/do/mail/message/document?msgId=INBOXDELIM1713&part=2&l=en-us&v=cox

justbob

02-01-2011, 08:51 PM

Also, thanks Bob for doing my cut coils install last year! Love the stance ever since.
:beer:
No problem man! How long did it take to settle down? IIRC yours sat a little high when it left the shop.

Also is it true the control arms need to be loosened and re tourqued to allow the control arm bushings to relieve tension?

No^

If you have new springs DO NOT anticipate much of a drop. My springs were about 4 years old when I cut one coil and it only dropped 5/8" for a week or two, finally came to rest at an 1" or so.

My steps.

1. Jack, stands, tires off.
2. remove the sway bar upper sway bar nut with wrench
3. remove all bolts from coil spring/ shock
3. loosen upper control arm nuts, move spring out of the way, and then pull the control arm bolts out.
4. Hold the upper CA/caliper/rotor/knuckle with one hand, pry down on lower CA with 2nd hand, wiggle spring out with 3rd hand, then temporarily reinstall atleast one CA bolt to hold assembly.
5. have a smoke
6. disassemble/cut/reassemble.
7. put back together in reverse keeping in mind the top plate with the 3 nuts only fits ONE WAY. Mark it before you take it apart.
8. Test drive like you stole it.
9. Drink beer.

Hope this helps, you can send you paypal donation at anytime.

jus4kix03MM

02-01-2011, 09:18 PM

ChiTownMaraud3r

02-01-2011, 09:29 PM

Bob, it seems it didn't change much, or I didn't notice it until I put the stock MM wheels back on it several months later. It sits real nice, not too low, not too much gap between wheel well and tire.

Haven't gotten it aligned though, but I probably only put 400-500 miles on the car since having you do that. And the stock tires are dry rotted to hell, so doesn't matter to me.

I am going to need to do a coolant flush this spring as it's past due, and I will finally be installing a JLT RAI!

I want mine even lower if I can..can I do 2 coils or is 11/2 maxx?

I read it's extremely un-wise to cut more than a coil and a half. And nothing else other than an alignment (to CarFixer's specs) is needed.

guspech750

02-01-2011, 10:09 PM

Heres mine with eibach lowering springs and 20 inch wheels. rear lowered accordingly.http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/jus4kix79/mara-stangs/DSC_0094.jpgWow!!! I love how the wheels fill in the opening!! Perfect!!

jus4kix03MM

02-01-2011, 11:00 PM

Wow!!! I love how the wheels fill in the opening!! Perfect!!

Thank u sir.

2,4shofast

02-02-2011, 07:18 AM

Baaaaad aaasssss hands down... This car has been my screen saver and what I want to do to mines.. Love the paint job...

Thanks bro I really do appreciate it.

will be cutting my springs this weekend...want at least 1" drop...1 1/2 would be better!...gotta allow for some settling over time cause these are brand new OEM springs...that said does anyone have some suggestions on how much to cut...was gonna do 1 full coil but dont want to waste my time and only drop 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch....Also does anyone know the torq spec for the control arms?...i read you gotta loosen em to allow the car to drop?

It took around 6 to 8 months before my car finally settled down to the way it sits now. My final drop was about 1 1/4" with one coil cut out.

I want mine even lower if I can..can I do 2 coils or is 11/2 maxx?

My stock wheels only have about 1/2'' clearance with one coil cut out. I dont think 2 would even be possible to turn without grabbing your fender. I havent seen 1 1/2 coils cut yet but im assuming it would be over a 2" drop and possibly be unable to correct your alignment. Probably not a wise decision.

2,4shofast

02-02-2011, 07:24 AM

Thanks for the comments. 2,4, shofast. Love your car. I didn't really like the ride of the eibachs at first, very bouncy. But I got used to it. Took awhile for it to finally settle to get that look.
Tire size is 255/35/20 in the front and 275/40/20 in the rear.

Thanks for the comments bro, I have always loved the black wheels on your Marauder! Makes it look very aggressive:bows: I have a friend on here that has Eibachs and his bounces a little too much for my taste as well but I do think they have a better feel when taking corners hard.

I have had several different tire sizes on the rear and never really like what I have had but the 275/40 looks amazing I might have to go with that on my next set. Amazing looking Marauder bro, I am trying to make it to the Knott's show in April so if youre going I would love to see it in person:beer:

JBeezy

02-02-2011, 08:34 AM

Also is it true the control arms need to be loosened and re tourqued to allow the control arm bushings to relieve tension?

This is what I need to do. Mine didn't move...

JBeezy

02-02-2011, 09:44 AM

Here is mine with one full coil cut out of the front and the rear lowered on 20's as well.

What wheels are these? Details on the size offset and tire size to get this stance. This look I like!!!! A LOT!!

justbob

02-02-2011, 09:46 AM

This is what I need to do. Mine didn't move...
That won't do squat. Good practice? Probably so, for the bushings, but the weight of your car obviously determines the height of the control arms. Loosening them will not lower the car.

2,4shofast

02-02-2011, 10:42 AM

What wheels are these? Details on the size offset and tire size to get this stance. This look I like!!!! A LOT!!

The wheels are TSW Nogaro's 20X8.5 fronts and 20X10 for the rear, I will have to check to see what the offset is. The tires are 255/35's in front and 275/35's in the rear. At the time TSW didnt have a wheel with the correct offset because I was running 285's in the rear so they made a custom offset for me. Took about an extra month but I do believe they have this offset available but from what I am told the Nogaro's are no longer available.

jus4kix03MM

02-02-2011, 11:01 AM

Thanks for the comments bro, I have always loved the black wheels on your Marauder! Makes it look very aggressive:bows: I have a friend on here that has Eibachs and his bounces a little too much for my taste as well but I do think they have a better feel when taking corners hard.

I have had several different tire sizes on the rear and never really like what I have had but the 275/40 looks amazing I might have to go with that on my next set. Amazing looking Marauder bro, I am trying to make it to the Knott's show in April so if youre going I would love to see it in person:beer:
thanks. what tire combo are you running now? looks like a perfect fit to me. i do plan on attending the Knotts show in april, ill be making my reservations for the hotel this week. hope u can make it, id love to see your car in person aswell. :D

Jesse

02-02-2011, 11:11 AM

I want to do this but I don't have a good place to do it right now. I think I'd rather pay someone to do it so I know it's done right. Any takers? ;)

SGT_MERC

02-02-2011, 11:36 AM

The wheels are TSW Nogaro's 20X8.5 fronts and 20X10 for the rear, I will have to check to see what the offset is. The tires are 255/35's in front and 275/35's in the rear. At the time TSW didnt have a wheel with the correct offset because I was running 285's in the rear so they made a custom offset for me. Took about an extra month but I do believe they have this offset available but from what I am told the Nogaro's are no longer available.

When you get the offset, can you post it please. I'm thinking of selling mine and going with 20's.

JBeezy

02-02-2011, 11:53 AM

The wheels are TSW Nogaro's 20X8.5 fronts and 20X10 for the rear, I will have to check to see what the offset is. The tires are 255/35's in front and 275/35's in the rear. At the time TSW didnt have a wheel with the correct offset because I was running 285's in the rear so they made a custom offset for me. Took about an extra month but I do believe they have this offset available but from what I am told the Nogaro's are no longer available.

Just sale me yours and you can change up. I know your ready for a change right, lol!!!

2,4shofast

02-02-2011, 02:09 PM

When you get the offset, can you post it please. I'm thinking of selling mine and going with 20's.

Here is the offset, on the front they are 20X8.5 with a 40+ and the rears are a 20X10 35+

thanks. what tire combo are you running now? looks like a perfect fit to me. i do plan on attending the Knotts show in april, ill be making my reservations for the hotel this week. hope u can make it, id love to see your car in person aswell. :D

Right now I am running 255/35 in the front and 275/35 in the back. I use to run a 285/30 in the rear and really liked the width but lacked too much side wall leaving the front tire around a 1/2" taller which was hard to notice but always bothered me. I just wish they had a 285/35 available!

SGT_MERC

02-02-2011, 02:13 PM

Here is the offset, on the front they are 20X8.5 with a 40+ and the rears are a 20X10 35+

Right now I am running 255/35 in the front and 275/35 in the back. I use to run a 285/30 in the rear and really liked the width but lacked too much side wall leaving the front tire around a 1/2" taller which was hard to notice but always bothered me. I just wish they had a 285/35 available!

Thank You for the info on the offset.

SGT_MERC

02-02-2011, 02:14 PM

2,4shofast

02-02-2011, 02:21 PM

How much room do you have on the inside against the shocks?

I can take some good measurements for you tomorrow if I remember but I know there is plenty. If your looking for a set up close to mine the front wheels have a 2.5" lip and the rear are 3.5" (tsw said they were 3.25 but they measure out at 3.5")

SGT_MERC

02-02-2011, 03:45 PM

I can take some good measurements for you tomorrow if I remember but I know there is plenty. If your looking for a set up close to mine the front wheels have a 2.5" lip and the rear are 3.5" (tsw said they were 3.25 but they measure out at 3.5")

Thank You again for the info. I'm wanting to know how much room you have, inside, so I can get a wider wheel and tire for the back.

LANDY

02-02-2011, 07:12 PM

this is how mine looks on Eibachs with stock tires up front
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/lizz629/IMAG0004.jpg?t=1296699114

2,4shofast

02-03-2011, 06:33 AM

Thank You again for the info. I'm wanting to know how much room you have, inside, so I can get a wider wheel and tire for the back.

I was not thinking yesterday....I have the stock wheels on right now due to the weather. I will measure them when I put them back on for you.

detrailers

03-07-2015, 01:45 PM

No problem man! How long did it take to settle down? IIRC yours sat a little high when it left the shop.

No^

If you have new springs DO NOT anticipate much of a drop. My springs were about 4 years old when I cut one coil and it only dropped 5/8" for a week or two, finally came to rest at an 1" or so.

My steps.

1. Jack, stands, tires off.
2. remove the sway bar upper sway bar nut with wrench
3. remove all bolts from coil spring/ shock
3. loosen upper control arm nuts, move spring out of the way, and then pull the control arm bolts out.
4. Hold the upper CA/caliper/rotor/knuckle with one hand, pry down on lower CA with 2nd hand, wiggle spring out with 3rd hand, then temporarily reinstall atleast one CA bolt to hold assembly.
5. have a smoke
6. disassemble/cut/reassemble.
7. put back together in reverse keeping in mind the top plate with the 3 nuts only fits ONE WAY. Mark it before you take it apart.
8. Test drive like you stole it.
9. Drink beer.

Hope this helps, you can send you paypal donation at anytime.
I save this thread for when I was ready to do the lowering which I am doing today have a couple of questions. On step 3, the control arm bolts that you mentioned are those the three bolts at the top of the spring pack or the 2 bolts holding the CA to the frame? To get the spring out do I separate the spindle at the lower control arm?