M3 Killer! Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laps Laguna Seca

[ctrlraven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPl35-eQIls
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEhnugwzCc
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[DOOM]

Damn thats sweet!

[ctrlraven]

I would sell my MM to get the Boss 302.

[dohc324ci]

So sweet! M3 killer I love it!

[rauder88]

That's a sweet mustang. My favorite mustang is still a '68 fastback with a 390.

[Joe Walsh]

MT: "And we tip our hat for not wimping out with merely a sticker and wing package".

They must mean like all the Jap Crap!

"I love my Corolla 'S'...it is so sporty and fast!"....:puke:

BTW: Almost 3 full seconds faster than the almighty M3....now that's a good ole' fashion butt whuppin'!

[RacerX]

Nice!!! Duh! WINNING!!! :D

[GAMike]

With a live axle ta boot!:D Blue Oval FTW:banana2:

[Davesvt2000]

I can't freakin wait for my Laguna Seca to come in by early June :bows:

[05crownsport]

I suppose that the crapmaro isn't enough car to even go there. SWEET!

[SILVERSURFER03]

Thats impressive

[Got_1]

MT: "And we tip our hat for not wimping out with merely a sticker and wing package".

They must mean like all the Jap Crap!

"I love my Corolla 'S'...it is so sporty and fast!"....:puke:

BTW: Almost 3 full seconds faster than the almighty M3....now that's a good ole' fashion butt whuppin'!

as much as i agree with the import statement Ford has been known to do this. Fusion sport, Mustang California Special, Mustang Bullit (10hp isn't even worth mentioning), F150 Harley Edition...etc

[69428SCJ]

as much as i agree with the import statement Ford has been known to do this. Fusion sport, Mustang California Special, Mustang Bullit (10hp isn't even worth mentioning), F150 Harley Edition...etc

You do know that the earlier HD's came with detuned Lightning engines, right?

[Got_1]

You do know that the earlier HD's came with detuned Lightning engines, right?

yes and some had a super charger option but i was mainly referring to the '04+

[JamesHecker]

I would sell my MM to get the Boss 302.

I would sell mine too, but I still couldn't afford it! :-(

[Kennyrauder]

And how much are the stealer dealers charging over factory invoice?

[Motorhead350]

For that small in a difference in a lap time I wouldn't call that a kill. Plus the Boss is brand new, what year BMW were they comparing it to?

[Davesvt2000]

And how much are the stealer dealers charging over factory invoice?

They can ask all they want, but many people, myself included, are finding cars at sticker, no mark ups. Takes a bit of searching and calls, but worth it.

[05crownsport]

For that small in a difference in a lap time I wouldn't call that a kill. Plus the Boss is brand new, what year BMW were they comparing it to?

That comparison is the current M3. I believe that the Mustang GT is within one tenth of a second of the M3s lap time. Sure, its not much, but when you factor in cost... just how fast do you wanna go? I am comparing a gt not a boss. For the money you would save on the Mustang, you could add all sorts of aftermarket to it that would raise its level of performance that would embarrass even exotic cars.

[Joe Walsh]

For that small in a difference in a lap time I wouldn't call that a kill. Plus the Boss is brand new, what year BMW were they comparing it to?

If you are losing 3 seconds per lap to a competitor in a race, you are getting your butt whupped.

For a 1:40...Lap Time at Lagune Seca, I'd say that the new BOSS 302 is in pretty good company:

Vehicle/Lap Time/Model Year/HP/Weight(KG)/Driver

1. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:33.92 '08 600 / 1536 Chris Winkler
2. Devon GTX 1:35.08 0 659 / 0 DMW
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80 '08 647 / 1530 Motortrend
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40 '11 512 / 1394 motortrend
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80 '09 500 / 1570 C&D
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52 '06 415 / 1395 Motortrend
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89 '06 480 / 1585 Edmunds.com
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11 '10 530 / 1585 road&track
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20 '09 525 / 1620 road&track
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21 '11 450 / 1650 Motor Trend
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45 '08 479 / 1740 Motor Trend
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74 '10 571 / 1620 BernSchneider
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75 '06 420 / 1560 Motor Trend
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90 '05 513 / 1437 Motor Trend
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96 '07 420 / 1619 Motor Trend
16. Porsche Cayman S PDK 1:43.00 '08 320 / 1375 Motor Trend
17. Porsche Cayman S 1:43.00 '05 295 / 1406 Randy Pobst
18. Aston Martin V12 Vantage 1:43.04 '09 517 / 1680 road&track
19. Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.90 '09 564 / 1955 Motortrend
20. Shelby GT500 1:44.30 '10 547 / 1767 Motortrend
21. Shelby GT500 1:44.72 '06 507 / 1807 Motor Trend
22. Shelby Mustang GT500KR 1:44.72 '08 540 / 1773 Motortrend
23. Porsche 997 Carrera 1:45.00 '08 345 / 1415 Car and Driver
24. Jaguar XFR 1:45.37 '09 510 / 1960 Motortrend
25. Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 1:45.70 '10 432 / 1750 Motor Trend
26. Lotus Exige 240R 1:45.82 '05 247 / 941 Motortrend
27. Toyota Supra RZ 1:45.87 '94 284 / 1640 Kurosawa
28. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 1:46.00 '07 306 / 1485 Motortrend
29. Nissan Nismo 370Z 1:46.50 '09 355 / 1500 Motortrend
30. Porsche Cayman S 1:47.58 '05 295 / 1406 Motortrend
31. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR 1:47.71 '08 295 / 1585 MotorTrend
32. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 1:47.75 '08 260 / 1352 Motor Trend
33. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 1:47.93 '05 290 / 1482 Motortrend
34. BMW 335i Coupe 1:49.04 '06 306 / 1610 Motortrend
35. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:50.00 '04 355 / 1420 Motortrend
36. Mazda 3 MPS 1:50.38 '06 260 / 1485 Motortrend
37. Mazda RX-8 1:50.42 '02 231 / 1400 Motor Trend
38. Honda S2000 1:50.74 '99 239 / 1260 Motortrend
39. Mini Mini Cooper S Works GP 1:51.73 '06 218 / 1180 Motortrend
40. Mini Cooper S (Mk II) 1:51.98 '06 174 / 1206 Motortrend
41. Mazda MX-5 Grand Touring 1:52.20 '09 160 / 1165 Motortrend
42. Honda Civic SI 1:54.99 '06 197 / 1330 Motortrend
43. Honda NSX 1:57.00 '04 280 / 1330 Jeremy Clarkson
44. Chevrolet Camaro Z28 ´82 2:05.80 '82 193 / 0 Motortrend
45. Ford Mustang GT V8 ´82 2:09.90 '82 231 / 1483 Motortrend

[Got_1]

For that small in a difference in a lap time I wouldn't call that a kill. Plus the Boss is brand new, what year BMW were they comparing it to?

wow really? 3 seconds is HUGE. look at the list Joe Walsh just put up. 3 seconds is the difference between 4th and 14th position on that list. i'd say thats substantial.

[N40GL]

That's one seriously tough track, too. I was fortunate to have been able to take the MM out on it the week after Ford's 100th in August 2003. Although I've driven that track at speed in other rented race cars, the MM was truly a handful. I'm not certain a non-KB car would've been as controllable.

As I went through Turn 8 (top of the Carousel) I couldn't help remembering the guy who put his Formula Ford into the tree, driver's right,, apex of turn 8, Yes, into the tree (I was working Turn 8 for SCCA at the time). Funny thing is, SCRAMP didn't take the tree out for a few years after that, so it must've been around 1995.

And the weirdest incident I saw at the Carousel was between Indycar practice sessions. Emergency was towing a car back to the Paddock, which they usually did by wrapping a rope around the roll hoop above the driver's head, giving it to him to hold and then towing him to the top of the hill, where he'd let go and coast into the Paddock from around Turn 9 or so (old Laguna Seca - around 1994) through the entrance driver's left at Turn 10.

Well, Indy Car drivers are so important that the driver couldn't wait to come back with his car, so he walked back to the Paddock right after he parked it on course. That means a crew member had to come out, sit with/in the car, wait for the end of the session for Emergency to bring out the tow and then get the car back home.

Evidently nobody warned this crew member about the Carousel. The tow went through followed by the car abut 150' back connected by the rope. The crew member couldn't turn hard enough (it is, after all, a 90 degree corner that you have to set up for way over on driver's right at the entrance), so as soon as the Indy car entered the turn at the Apex, the tow was already exiting Turn 8 and into 8A at the bottom of the hill (90 degrees the other way, if you're following along on your Laguna maps). What happened? The tow pulled the car right over, onto the crew member's head. Upside down, and dragged him a few feet (with no helmet), although he might've slid, since that is seriously downhill right there. What an embarrassment, an a truly awful avoidable injury.

Shortly after that, helmets became required for tows, no matter who sat in the driver's chair. And I think that car failed Tech that weekend.

I can't recall whose car it was, but it'll play in my mental YouTube for the rest of my life. The car in the tree may actually be out there somewhere.

[Bluerauder]

And how much are the stealer dealers charging over factory invoice?

Mark-up here in Virginia (at one dealer) for the Bos 302 Laguna Seka is $51K on top of the $48.5K MSRP. Total $99.5K plus taxes, tags, prep, etc. NFW .... ;)