Affordable 14" Brake kit

[Dennis Reinhart]

Years ago KVR made a 14" brake kit for me, they no longer do, and Russ had a old set and I had mine, so we found a company that will make the rotors, then they send them to another company and they cryo treat them. I have a company that will make the billet hats, I have added a PBR twin piston caliper and ceramic pads, and SS brake lines. I am working on the prices right now, and will have them by the end of the week, here are the pictures of the new kit. Chad installed the rotor on the wrong side, we are test fitting every thing on my car.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1304983915-14BRAKEKIT.JPG.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1304983939-14BRAKEKITINST.JPG.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1304984527-PBR2PISTONCALIPER.JPG.jpg

[justbob]

May be interested, but what about the rear. My OCD would not allow me to only do half the car...

[Dennis Reinhart]

A good gas slotted rotor and a good set of pads wit the SS lines is all that is needed in the rear.

[justbob]

Still too small, and visually disturbing. Anything possibly in the works for a bigger upgrade?

[MOTOWN]

Still too small, and visually disturbing. Anything possibly in the works for a bigger upgrade?


too small??? any bigger and your going to need a 20 inch rim!

the willwood kit is 13"

[Dennis Reinhart]

Still too small, and visually disturbing. Anything possibly in the works for a bigger upgrade?


Well that is fine, there are other kits out there. Todd has a awsome complet kit for about 3K, and there is Bear, I just do not see the need to put large brakes in the rear. And this kit is just one of many to choose from.:)

[Krytin]

Interested!
What is the availability w/metalic pads? Not a big fan of ceramics for my personal use.

[fastblackmerc]

Well that is fine, there are other kits out there. Todd has a awsome complet kit for about 3K, and there is Bear, I just do not see the need to put large brakes in the rear. And this kit is just one of many to choose from.:)

Good pads and the stainless steel brakes lines are all that are needed for the rear brakes. The front brakes do 75%+ of the work. That is where you want the most improvements.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Interested!
What is the availability w/metalic pads? Not a big fan of ceramics for my personal use.


I will use what ever pads you want.

[Dennis Reinhart]

[QUOTE=fastblackmerc;1043612]Good pads and the stainless steel brakes lines are all that are needed for the rear brakes. The front brakes do 75%+ of the work. That is where you want the most improvements.


Exactly

[Krytin]

I will use what ever pads you want.
I'll be keeping an eye on this!

[SC Cheesehead]

I'll be keeping an eye on this!


+1

Interesting....

[03mmmonroe]

I have the KVR kit that Dennis was talking about. I have 30k and still 1/2 the pads left so good ware and stopping. The main different with this kit over the Bear Kit is the Hat that is on the hub. The KVR hats are larger and this means you have less rotor to warp. The replace meant rotors are a quality piece I did a lot of searching to find them. I have not had any brake fade or rotor concern due to heat of repeated stopping or when hot lapped my car one night at the track 10 runs @ 95 deg outside and brakes were great from 120 to 15 at the turn off (Zmax Race way). I hope this helps others looking for improved braking with a 14" front kit. You will also notice the brake pedal feel is much improved over stock less peddle travel for the car to stop. PM me if you have any question. Russ

[MOTOWN]

this sounds like another good option for our cars depending on how competitive the selling price will be.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I have the KVR kit that Dennis was talking about. I have 30k and still 1/2 the pads left so good ware and stopping. The main different with this kit over the Bear Kit is the Hat that is on the hub. The KVR hats are larger and this means you have less rotor to warp. The replace meant rotors are a quality piece I did a lot of searching to find them. I have not had any brake fade or rotor concern due to heat of repeated stopping or when hot lapped my car one night at the track 10 runs @ 95 deg outside and brakes were great from 120 to 15 at the turn off (Zmax Race way). I hope this helps others looking for improved braking with a 14" front kit. You will also notice the brake pedal feel is much improved over stock less peddle travel for the car to stop. PM me if you have any question. Russ


Thank you Russ plus the new calipers have larger pistons this will also help.

[SC Cheesehead]

this sounds like another good option for our cars depending on how competitive the selling price will be.


Agreed.

Dennis, any estimates on pricing for the kit?

[DOOM]

Big brakes are a MUST HAVE for all you S/C guys.

:drive:

[SC Cheesehead]

Big brakes are a MUST HAVE for all you S/C guys.

:drive:

So I'm starting to notice... ;)

[cpe6]

You originally did my car in 2003 with the KVR kit; the car was taken to a Ford Dealer who has a race shop and somehow when the vehicle returned the factory calipers and rotors were on the car and it never stopped the same. Looks Nice Dennis; As long as it stops the car before the second turn off at the track. Its something about those red calipers that makes a black car stand out. Allen

[cpe6]

Are all rotors made with the hat like this; I am concerned about the nuts.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Are all rotors made with the hat like this; I am concerned about the nuts.



They are stainless steel

[fastblackmerc]

Are all rotors made with the hat like this; I am concerned about the nuts.

Alot of aftermarket high-performance rotors are two piece. They should be held together with grade 8 bolts, locktite and properly torqued.

[MOTOWN]

yeah stainless steel grade8s, nothing looks worse than beautiful big brakes with rusted bolts!

[fastblackmerc]

yeah stainless steel grade8s, nothing looks worse than beautiful big brakes with rusted bolts!

Actually stainless steel bolts are not as strong as regular grade 8 bolts.

Grade 8 - Medium Carbon Alloy Steel, Quenched and Tempered:
Minimum Yield Strength - 130,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength - 150,000 psi

18-8 Stainless Steel alloy with 17-19% Chromium and 8-13% Nickel:
Minimum Yield Strength - 80,000 to 90,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength -100,000 – 125,000 psi

[MOTOWN]

Actually stainless steel bolts are not as strong as regular grade 8 bolts.

Grade 8 - Medium Carbon Alloy Steel, Quenched and Tempered:
Minimum Yield Strength - 130,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength - 150,000 psi

18-8 Stainless Steel alloy with 17-19% Chromium and 8-13% Nickel:
Minimum Yield Strength - 80,000 to 90,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength -100,000 – 125,000 psi

this is true, but you will never break a stainless bolt in this application, i had em on my buick which ran deep into the nines;)

[fastblackmerc]

this is true, but you will never break a stainless bolt in this application, i had em on my buick which ran deep into the nines;)

I agree, that's why I have stainless steel bolts on my TCE front rotors

[DOOM]

Still too small, and visually disturbing. Anything possibly in the works for a bigger upgrade?

That's what she said! :lol:

[SC Cheesehead]

Actually stainless steel bolts are not as strong as regular grade 8 bolts.

Grade 8 - Medium Carbon Alloy Steel, Quenched and Tempered:
Minimum Yield Strength - 130,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength - 150,000 psi

18-8 Stainless Steel alloy with 17-19% Chromium and 8-13% Nickel:
Minimum Yield Strength - 80,000 to 90,000 psi
Minimum Tensile Strength -100,000 – 125,000 psi


this is true, but you will never break a stainless bolt in this application, i had em on my buick which ran deep into the nines;)

For this application, yield strength would be a more appropriate indicator, as the bolts would be subjected to shear stresses rather than longitudinal (pulling) forces which are defined by tensile.

But as pointed out, you're not going to subject the bolts to anywhere near their failure points in this design configuration, and the corrosion resistance of stainless makes it a more desireable metal for the application.

[MOTOWN]

those are nice stainless bolts on the rotors, i noticed they appear to accept safety wire as well

[hotford]

Price??????

[Dennis Reinhart]

Well here is the finished product installed on the car and there is absolutely a total difference in the pedal and stopping so what I need to do is run the numbers and come up with a package for front as well as front and rear.

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1305062244-IMG_0060.jpg

http://web.iwebcenters.com/reinhartautomotive/images/session/00-00-1305062223-IMG_0061.jpg

[MOTOWN]

that 14" Rotor looks absolute kick ass! i likes!! and this is exactly what i was talking about earlier you wont get a "bigger" Rotor to fit the oem wheel! a pic is worth a 1k words!

[ctrlraven]

What is the price of these "affordable" brakes?

[Dennis Reinhart]

What is the price of these "affordable" brakes?


I explained this in post 31, I am gathering all the parts, and I will put this together, I spoke to the company that is doing the new CAK I should have it by Friday, I want to thank every one for being so patient, I have other ideas I am working on, this car is not getting older, it is getting better.

[CWright]

Looks great Dennis!

[WhatsUpDOHC]

I explained this in post 31, I am gathering all the parts, and I will put this together, I spoke to the company that is doing the new CAK I should have it by Friday, I want to thank every one for being so patient, I have other ideas I am working on, this car is not getting older, it is getting better.

Dennis -

No problem - I know that you have a business to run and a life to enjoy.

I would like to see the pricing for an affordable/performing brake/rotor (can we get rotors in black and calipers in colors?) price.

I may have to wait for another birthday to get this......

Mark

[Dennis Reinhart]

Looks great Dennis!


Thank you Chris :banana2::bandit:;):beer:

[jflave]

Looks good Dennis, you got me thinking. :)

[05crownsport]

Looks good! What brand are those rotors? I may be repeating a question... can I get them in black? Or even just the natural metal finish?

[cpe6]

I know having a front kit without a matching rear would make the car not look too good especially if its not race only.

[justbob]

Well that is fine, there are other kits out there. Todd has a awsome complet kit for about 3K, and there is Bear, I just do not see the need to put large brakes in the rear. And this kit is just one of many to choose from.:)

Nice attitude Dennis, just move along, go buy another kit... It was a very simple question asking if you might have a bigger rear upgrade in the works. yes/no would have been suffice.


Good pads and the stainless steel brakes lines are all that are needed for the rear brakes. The front brakes do 75%+ of the work. That is where you want the most improvements.


Exactly

You don't say?:rolleyes: More like 80%... It's not about being needed, it's about filling in the obnoxious gap in the rear.



that 14" Rotor looks absolute kick ass! i likes!! and this is exactly what i was talking about earlier you wont get a "bigger" Rotor to fit the oem wheel! a pic is worth a 1k words!


too small??? any bigger and your going to need a 20 inch rim!

the willwood kit is 13"

............


I know having a front kit without a matching rear would make the car not look too good especially if its not race only.

Thank you.

Let me re.it.er.ate..


STOCK is still too small, and visually disturbing. Anything possibly in the works for a bigger REAR upgrade?

Why is it so hard to spend money all of a sudden??:shake:

[Dennis Reinhart]

[QUOTE=justbob;1044021]Nice attitude Dennis, just move along, go buy another kit... It was a very simple question asking if you might have a bigger rear upgrade in the works. yes/no would have been suffice.

Justbob all I was trying to say was if you do not like the kit, there are other options, I am not here to sell you some thing you do not like, and it is very easy to misinterpret text, you can call me any time Monday through Friday 8am to 6 pm or Saturdays 8 till noon, I came up with this as a alternative to the higher priced kits, so more members could afford a brake upgrade, I never meant to offend you. So lets let it go at that. Let me get all the parts done and come up with a fair cost and then we can revise the kit, but I have no intentions in making a larger rear kit, I just do not feel it is needed and it is over kill.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I know having a front kit without a matching rear would make the car not look too good especially if its not race only.


I will match the rear rotors no problem.

[cpe6]

Dennis does Baer have a complete kit like Todds? I like the look of the Wilwood kit, since mines is going to be for show too. I have made up my mind I want the Wilwood kit. Allen

[cpe6]

Nice kit Dennis I didnt see these photos last night. Its the look of the Wilwood 6 Piston Front and 4 Piston Rear that also impresses me, as I intend to show the car also. I would love to know the braking distance specs for your kit and the Wilwood kit.

[J.bo]

Dennis, will the calipers be powder coated or painted?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Nice kit Dennis I didnt see these photos last night. Its the look of the Wilwood 6 Piston Front and 4 Piston Rear that also impresses me, as I intend to show the car also. I would love to know the braking distance specs for your kit and the Wilwood kit.


Just give me a call whatever you want, and the calipers are powdercoated either black red silver

[SC Cheesehead]

Just give me a call whatever you want, and the calipers are powdercoated either black red silver


Any possibility you could also do 'em in Blue? ;)

[Dennis Reinhart]

Any possibility you could also do 'em in Blue? ;)

yes I can do that I will get you some color samples

[SC Cheesehead]

yes I can do that I will get you some color samples


Wadda guy! ;) ------> :up:

[05crownsport]

How much will this setup cost?

[CWright]

I explained this in post 31, I am gathering all the parts, and I will put this together, I spoke to the company that is doing the new CAK I should have it by Friday, I want to thank every one for being so patient, I have other ideas I am working on, this car is not getting older, it is getting better.


How much will this setup cost?

Looks like he'll have something by Friday possibly. I'd probably give til Monday. Thanks Dennis for your continuous thoughts on how to make our cars better with affordable upgrades!:beer:

[cpe6]

I want the red powder coated calipers. I will be in Washington for a week, then off to Miami for Memorial Day. If you need to contact me about anything you have Nates number 773-640-1933.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here is what we have come up with, two 14" two piece gas slotted rotors cryo treated, 2 twin piston light weight PBR calipers fully loaded with mounting hardware, SS break line kit for all four wheels, all parts powder coated red, blue, silver, black. For 1840.00 this does not include core charge on your calipers and mounting hardware, and I may be able to get this down by 10% once I get started on this, trust me there is not a whole lot of mark up in this.

[Baaad GN]

LOL, wow what a price!

[justbob]

$2100.00? Maybe not you, but somebody is REALLY making out! I still appreciate your efforts however.

[Dennis Reinhart]

$2100.00? Maybe not you, but somebody is REALLY making out! I still appreciate your efforts however.

No it's 1840.00 and as I said may be able to knock off another 150.00 I will know next week.

[ntd]

Does your proposed kit clear the stock wheels or do they require a spacer?

[justbob]

That $2100 I was refering to was before you edited and changed the price.

[Dennis Reinhart]

Does your proposed kit clear the stock wheels or do they require a spacer?


It's installed on my car, as well as Russ, and there other members here that have it, this is a direct bolt in with 18" wheels, with no spacers.

[Dennis Reinhart]

That $2100 I was refering to was before you edited and changed the price.


Yes I did edit the post since it was misread 2095.00 minus 160.00 CORE CHARGE = 1935.00 and I stated I probably could reduce that by 10%. I was told today my dealer status was approved by the company that makes the rotors and I was able to reduce this to 1800.00, and regardless of speculation, there is no large profit here. Go price loaded calipers with the hardware and then add cryo treated rotors and there shipping from the company that makes them to the company that does the cryo treatment, then the shipping to me then add the machining for the hats and add the SS lines then add the powder coating, enough said. I sold two kits today.:)

[napolitano]

Dennis, would thusbe an upgrade towhat im currently running or is it the same or similar to what I have now?

[Dennis Reinhart]

Your rears would be fine this is totally different than your front and a much better kit.

[jimlam56]

Yes I did edit the post since it was misread 2095.00 minus 160.00 CORE CHARGE = 1935.00 and I stated I probably could reduce that by 10%. I was told today my dealer status was approved by the company that makes the rotors and I was able to reduce this to 1800.00, and regardless of speculation, there is no large profit here. Go price loaded calipers with the hardware and then add cryo treated rotors and there shipping from the company that makes them to the company that does the cryo treatment, then the shipping to me then add the machining for the hats and add the SS lines then add the powder coating, enough said. I sold two kits today.:)
Dennis, I'm looking forward to hearing their comments on your new kit!

[Dennis Reinhart]

Thank you my friend, I sold anther kit yesterday to another friend John Fain we just broke the record on his car we installed a Novi 1200 air to air in 6 hours on his car it made 448 RWHP I am sure John will post up his thoughts.

[Vortech347]

These look like the brakes that should have come on our cars from the factory.

Our rear's need a substantial amount of help too.

[Dennis Reinhart]

I will have this ready in about a week, as far as the rear goes I would not go to a larger brake in the rear it is not needed 80% is done in the front a larger rotor has more rotating mass and it is not needed in the rear good gas slotted rotors and good pads with ss lines is all that is needed with 14" in the front.

[Jolly Roger]

Would be cool if the word Marauder were ecthed or ingraved in black or silver on the red caliper.;)

[SC Cheesehead]

Would be cool if the word Marauder were ecthed or ingraved in black or silver on the red caliper.;)

NO! That would be overkill! :mad2:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72302

(Sorry, just couldn't resist... ;) ----------> :D)

[Jolly Roger]

NO! That would be overkill! :mad2:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72302

(Sorry, just couldn't resist... ;) ----------> :D)

Once again,
well said. :)

[steve fox]

How thick are the rotors?

[drobin]

Dennis,

This is great news indeed! Still have the KVR's that you sold me back in Aug 2004 and was worried that parts would be impossible to obtain. Great set-up and haven't had to change a single part since your install. Keep up the great work.

Thanks,
Donald (drobin)

[Vortech347]

I will have this ready in about a week, as far as the rear goes I would not go to a larger brake in the rear it is not needed 80% is done in the front a larger rotor has more rotating mass and it is not needed in the rear good gas slotted rotors and good pads with ss lines is all that is needed with 14" in the front.

Meh, I disagree. Ford seems to fall off the boat when it comes to respectable braking systems. The Germans have us and always will, beat to the stop. We have 75-80mph speed limits, they have...As fast as your right foot will go. The Brembo fronts on the S197's are a good step foward but the rears are still aweful for higher speeds.

[Dobs]

rears are still aweful for higher speeds.

I agree...

[Dennis Reinhart]

I should have these ready this week the machine shop is allmost done there lath went down witch set them back I will post pictures.

[hakisaki]

dennis i also want a set asap!!!

[Dennis Reinhart]

They should be ready by Friday

[Dennis Reinhart]

Here are the rotors this is for Pats 03 Blue.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/uploads/46/pats14inchkit.JPG

[guspech750]

Here are the rotors this is for Pats 03 Blue.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/uploads/46/pats14inchkit.JPG

Those look really nice.


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[hotford]

Pretty good but i think im gonna go with this set up......
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/marauder/kits-17/

[SC Cheesehead]

Pretty good but i think im gonna go with this set up......
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/marauder/kits-17/


Uhhhhh, why are you posting a link for a competitor's product on DR's thread? :confused:

[hotford]

Uhhhhh, why are you posting a link for a competitor's product on DR's thread? :confused:
well he states its a affordable kit .........
I think the TCE kit is cheaper and a better product.................

[SC Cheesehead]

well he states its a affordable kit .........
I think the TCE kit is cheaper and a better product.................

Okay.

Re-read post 81.

If you like TCE stuff, and plan on buying a set, I'm sure no one will mind your starting another thread to discuss. :cool:

[hotford]

^^^^^^^^^^^^Thanks Tips..................

[YOCKIT]

Could you put the old fronts on rear?

[Blackened300a]

Could you put the old fronts on rear?

No, the rear rotor is also the drum for the parking brake assembly.

[BirchMarauder]

Here are the rotors this is for Pats 03 Blue.

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/uploads/46/pats14inchkit.JPG

I actually saw this rotor on the floor of his office the other day. It is huge. Very nice looking.

[BigCars4Ever]

I like the fact that no spacers are needed. That's an advantage.