Being gay is historical

[prchrman]

Nice California.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/

[Fosters]

There was a romanian joke a while ago... Guy goes into the American embassy and says he wants to immigrate to the US. They ask him why he wants to leave Romania, to which he replies:

Homosexuality.
Homosexuality? How so?
Well, in the 1940s, the nazis invaded and took over Romania, and if you were gay, they killed you. Then the russians came and if you were gay, they just put you in jail. Now you can be gay and nothing will happen to you. I just want to get out before it becomes mandatory.

[fastblackmerc]

I just read that in today's paper.... what a joke!

[F8LBITEva]

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/F8LBITEva/GAYaL.jpg

[Cheeseheadbob]

Unfortunately, this is just another social engineering program that will have the usual unintended consequences. Instead of having kids learn about the insidious, and often violent, discrimination gay people have endured over the years, they are going to be required to learn about minor, if not completely insignificant, historical events just because the people who were part of that "history" were gay. Big difference.

[MrBluGruv]

Anyone that is for homosexual rights but uses the term "gay" to refer to homosexual people is a hypocrite and a bigot themselves.

I'm sad for the homosexual community that they are represented so often by complete morons.

[Cheeseheadbob]

I want to keep this civil, as this topic really polarizes folks. Are you throwing me into the hypocrite and bigot crowd? The only reason I ask, is that I know, and am very close to, quite a few gay ( more than 50 ) people who are friends, family members and members of groups I associate with. To a man/woman, I have never heard them refer to themselves, or the group we put them into, as "homosexual," if the topic even arises. For the record, I am opposed to almost any kind of special interest group gaining an advantage though the bogus "victim" argument. What I will fight you to the death for is, the defense of people who have been discriminated against or physically harmed solely because of their religion, race, sex or sexual orientation.
Anyone that is for homosexual rights but uses the term "gay" to refer to homosexual people is a hypocrite and a bigot themselves.

[yjmud]

may be they are showing history in a merry, lively mood
hence gay history

[MrBluGruv]

I want to keep this civil, as this topic really polarizes folks. Are you throwing me into the hypocrite and bigot crowd? The only reason I ask, is that I know, and am very close to quite a few gay ( more than 50 ) people who are friends, family members and members of groups I associate with. To a man/woman, I have never heard them refer to themselves, or the group we put them into, as "homosexual," if the topic even arises.

I say it because of its derogatory origins, a sort of euphemistic (I use that term loosely) reference to homosexuals being stereotyped as excessively cheery or festive. That and how it is juxtaposed against the term "straight", which is also a term that has a derogatory origin against homosexual people as "not being on the straight and narrow".

I don't talk about this topic lightly myself, as while I don't particularly agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I feel that whatever sexual practices people should choose to pursue (either voluntarily or as they were born or whatever their personal feelings) is entirely their own business so long as they keep it their business. Apparently, this attitude makes me a part of the despicable evil that is the "anti-gay movement." I don't outwardly advertise my sexual exploits, I'd like the same respect, and I will NEVER bash a homosexual person for that lifestyle if it is kept within those parameters. I guess there are just that few of us out there that can live in that gray area and not in the black-and-white realm of "pro-gay" or "anti-gay"?

Bottom-line, as a student of communication and of rhetoric, I pay fairly close attention to this stuff, and I would at least hope that the major advocates of the movement would as well, as it leaves MAJOR holes in your cause exposed if you don't.

[Cheeseheadbob]

Well said and defended. I am married to a woman who has a Master's degree in communication and speech, and is pursuing her PhD in the same field, so I get some ear bending when it comes to the overall and generic usage of our language. I guess I am taking the plebiscite view of things. To those who are extremely close to the vernacular, your point is spot on. What I think the "gay" lobby does, is the same as any other lobby, try to appeal to the masses. Although, I have yet to hear any one of my homosexual friends refer to any topic regarding this subject as anything other than "gay" Perhaps the original derogatory term has worked its way into the mainstream language and is no longer offensive. As a student of communication, I am sure you study the evolution of language and sometimes it is not for the better. The previous statement is only my opinion. I would have to do some research to really back it up.
I say it because of its derogatory origins, a sort of euphemistic (I use that term loosely) reference to homosexuals being stereotyped as excessively cheery or festive. That and how it is juxtaposed against the term "straight", which is also a term that has a derogatory origin against homosexual people as "not being on the straight and narrow".

I don't talk about this topic lightly myself, as while I don't particularly agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I feel that whatever sexual practices people should choose to pursue (either voluntarily or as they were born or whatever their personal feelings) is entirely their own business so long as they keep it their business. Apparently, this attitude makes me a part of the despicable evil that is the "anti-gay movement." I don't outwardly advertise my sexual exploits, I'd like the same respect, and I will NEVER bash a homosexual person for that lifestyle if it is kept within those parameters. I guess there are just that few of us out there that can live in that gray area and not in the black-and-white realm of "pro-gay" or "anti-gay"?

Bottom-line, as a student of communication and of rhetoric, I pay fairly close attention to this stuff, and I would at least hope that the major advocates of the movement would as well, as it leaves MAJOR holes in your cause exposed if you don't.

[MrBluGruv]

Well said and defended. I am married to a woman who has a Master's degree in communications and speech, and is pursuing her PhD is the same field, so I get some ear bending when it comes to the overall and generic usage of our language. I guess I am taking the plebiscite view of things. To those who are extremely close to the vernacular, your point is spot on. What I think the "gay" lobby does, is the same as any other lobby, try to appeal to the masses. Although, I have yet to hear any one of my homosexual friends refer to any topic regarding this subject as anything other than "gay" Perhaps the original derogatory term has worked its way into the mainstream language and is no longer offensive. As a student of communication, I am sure you study the evolution of language and sometimes it is not for the better. The previous statement is only my opinion. I would have to do some research to really back it up.

I'm kind of a stickler about that stuff. More often than not, I find myself getting frustrated over the actual essence of an argument and where the opponents are failing rather than the issues being discussed IN the argument. Significant examples lie in just about every hot-button topic of today (homosexual rights, abortion, racism, etc...)

I do apologize though if I offended you, I realize I can be quite blunt about it but it's only because I'm pretty passionate about the topic myself. I believe that society can reach a point where discrimination based on sexual orientation will be a thing of the past, I just don't think it will happen soon because I think the ways that more prominent proponents for that movement handle it are exceedingly poor.

I actually began my serious thought on the topic because of a rhetoric class in which my professor went on a rant about how absurd it is when people use the word "gay" to refer to something as stupid or pointless or otherwise generally negative. He was upset because he said it is senseless because so many argue "no, I didn't mean it like a homosexual bashing, I'm just saying it to say that something is stupid." This tweaked me, as the current colloquial meaning of "gay" for homosexual is, itself, too a case of taking a word and by slang making it mean something else. This is when I wanted to actually research this topic more, and given what I've already typed you could probably figure out the rest of my research path from there.

[kernie]

Nice California.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/14/calif-gov-signs-landmark-law-to-teach-gay-history/

You started this thread, let's hear your feelings.

[Motorhead350]

You started this thread, let's hear your feelings.

I would guess he will say these people are all going to hell. Or unless you are saved you will go to hell.

Now on topic, I think this is silly. Who cares if these people were gay or not? Now they are drawing attention to themselves simply because of their sexuality? What a joke. I don't care where these people put their private parts or their mouths. Be known for what you did for the world, not what you did for pleasure.

:shake:

[sailsmen]

When will we only view each other as human beings? The only time I am interested in a persons "sexual orientation" is when I am going to have sex with them.

What does it matter what color or ethnic group we happen to be we all bleed red!

What does it matter what 2 consenting adults are attracted to!

Every group through out history has enslaved or mistreated another group. They were only able to do this by first putting us into groups. Stop the groups, stop the enslavement. Sign up at SGSE.org a new group to stop the groups. It is the most important initials you will ever see.

Divide and Conquer. We as a Nation are being Balkanized.

[a_d_a_m]

When will we only view each other as human beings? The only time I am interested in a persons "sexual orientation" is when I am going to have sex with them.

What does it matter what color or ethnic group we happen to be we all bleed red!

What does it matter what 2 consenting adults are attracted to!

Every group through out history has enslaved or mistreated another group. They were only able to do this by first putting us into groups. Stop the groups, stop the enslavement. Sign up at SGSE.org a new group to stop the groups. It is the most important initials you will ever see. +1, bravo!

[Smalldogg/03mm]

Anyone that is for homosexual rights but uses the term "gay" to refer to homosexual people is a hypocrite and a bigot themselves.

I'm sad for the homosexual community that they are represented so often by complete morons.

I guess I'm a hypocrite!!! Because its not ok to b gay.. Quit trying to brain wash people into accepting that.. Go back in the closet with that homo s---..... Two men together can't reproduce nor can two women.. There goes our future.. NO MORE KIDS.. I remember awhile ago it use to b a crime to b gay.. What happen??? It's like its a freaken holiday!!! What??? Were they do that at??? I remember were u got disowned from ur family for that stuff(be a ******).. Now its "hears some lip stick and my tight jeans". What!!!! The world is come to an end.... So I guess !!! People raise our kids right and teach them that's it not ok a fag.. It wrong!!!!! The future is in jeopardy " NO MORE KIDS". Sorry I'm not buying that ********.. ITS NOT OK TO BE A FAG/GAY.....One last thing I view if ur gay that on u, dont try to make it seem it's ok, it's not...

[sailsmen]

I guess I'm a hypocrite!!! Because its not ok to b gay.. Quit trying to brain wash people into accepting that.. Go back in the closet with that homo s---..... Two men together can't reproduce nor can two women.. There goes our future.. NO MORE KIDS.. I remember awhile ago it use to b a crime to b gay.. What happen??? It's like its a freaken holiday!!! What??? Were they do that at??? I remember were u got disowned from ur family for that stuff(be a ******).. Now its "hears some lip stick and my tight jeans". What!!!! The world is come to an end.... So I guess !!! People raise our kids right and teach them that's it not ok a fag.. It wrong!!!!! The future is in jeopardy " NO MORE KIDS". Sorry I'm not buying that ********.. ITS NOT OK TO BE A FAG/GAY.....One last thing I view if ur gay that on u, dont try to make it seem it's ok, it's not...

While you are exterminating the gays why not all those with an IQ below the avearge. Certainly we don't want people with a less than average IQ having children? Lets extend that to the disabled, they are a "drag" on society too and they definitely should not have children.
Lets not leave out people who are sterile, they cannot reporduce so what good are they. Don't forget about fat people they eat way too much and have too many health issues.

While you are exterminating all these people are you going to have time to reproduce?

It should not be an issue with you or anybody else. That is my entire point. When you or gay people make it an issue by dividing us into groups it does become an issue.

[MM2004]

OK.

There have been good points made in several posts thus far, and like religion and political threads, they never end well.

Closing this thread before it heads any further south.

;)

Mike.