5.0L Boss Marauder

[Bradley G]

Ok.,.There, I said it. :beatnik:

[InfernoHeat2005]

Somebody will do it

[bigmerc281]

5.0 Bossrauder now that would be beast

[Shaijack]

I like it.

[InfernoHeat2005]

5.0 Bossrauder now that would be beast

agreed!!!!!

[TAKEDOWN]

The question is not if, but who?

[Spectragod]

The question is not if, but who?

Does a 5.0 stroker count?:D

[dohc324ci]

Or does a boss big bore stroker 324ci count?

[Bradley G]

Kool, you are the honorary Boss till someone does the Big Dog OEM:trophy1:
Or does a boss big bore stroker 324ci count?

[Chevyguy]

FRPP will probably issue a big bore Siamesed Coyote block in time. You can still stroke out one here is a 5.3 Coyote stroker kit

http://www .dssracing.com/ 5_0_Modular_Stroker_Kit_p/ ra5.0x5coyote.htm

[dohc324ci]

Only problem I see with the Coyote is well its a pretty big conversion considering your plug and play options with the BOSS50 block. That would be sweet though a Coyote powered Marauder.

[btvollmuth]

That motor is inexpensive compared to others, $6500? I'd do it, but I'm swapping in the 4.6 cobra.

[rayjay]

Hasn't someone looked into this and found the conversion was such a PITA due to the computer issues that it wasn't $$$ feasible?

[FastMerc]

Stroker is better.From what I have been reading the boss motor cant handle power adders,or much modifications?

[Mercguy04]

I read the same thing. The storker kit looks to be the best choice so far.
I want a blower on my engine.

[dohc324ci]

Really dont gain all that much from a stroker kit. Forged internals and blower of choice and call it a day. Stroker if the budget allows. If I were to do over Aluminator NA LB + Vortech and 500rwhp for the street.

It would be cool to see how much power the coyote boss setup would make on this platform somebody has to have some expendable income to try..

[Motorhead350]

People talk the talk, but who's gonna walk the walk?

[FastMerc]

Really dont gain all that much from a stroker kit. Forged internals and blower of choice and call it a day. Stroker if the budget allows. If I were to do over Aluminator NA LB + Vortech and 500rwhp for the street.

It would be cool to see how much power the coyote boss setup would make on this platform somebody has to have some expendable income to try..
Well I would call 108 h.p. more a pretty good gain.Arent that many cars running from me any more!Suprising alot though...

[Spectragod]

People talk the talk, but who's gonna walk the walk?

Of what? Stroker 5.0 in my MM, what walk do I need to do?

[dohc324ci]

Well I would call 108 h.p. more a pretty good gain.Arent that many cars running from me any more!Suprising alot though...

So your saying a stroker netted you 108rwhp by itself? Stroker is good for 20-25HP/TQ give or take. The Coyote would have to go through our trans which would be close to what my big bore is putting down. My big bore stroker setup is around 320-330rwhp depending on gas/tune combo.

[Captain Dynball]

So your saying a stroker netted you 108rwhp by itself? Stroker is good for 20-25HP/TQ give or take. The Coyote would have to go through our trans which would be close to what my big bore is putting down. My big bore stroker setup is around 320-330rwhp depending on gas/tune combo.

The only benefit someone would get out of putting the 5.0 coyote motor in a Marauder is to be able to say they were the first. You can easily get the same power from a modular motor if you increase the cubes and increase the compression ratio to 11:1 like the coyote motor.

[ctrlraven]

So your saying a stroker netted you 108rwhp by itself? Stroker is good for 20-25HP/TQ give or take. The Coyote would have to go through our trans which would be close to what my big bore is putting down. My big bore stroker setup is around 320-330rwhp depending on gas/tune combo.
Also have to remember that your motor is putting down that with all the work done to the motor and other mods. The Coyote would probably put that down as is before any mods are done. The starting platform if using the Coyote motor starts you off a lot higher.

[Captain Dynball]

Also have to remember that your motor is putting down that with all the work done to the motor and other mods. The Coyote would probably put that down as is before any mods are done. The starting platform if using the Coyote motor starts you off a lot higher.

The Coyote cannot achieve more cubic inches than a 4.6 when the bore and stroke are modified. The Coyote engine block is almost identical to the Boss 5.0 block in dimension. It's strength comes from the high compression ratio. It has great heads but it just barely outflows the Ford GT Head. You would have to spend a huge amount of money to use the Coyote motor when you take the computer into consideration. So when all is said and done it would be cheaper to build an "old school" mod motor and supercharge/turbo it than to use a stock Coyote motor.

[Chevyguy]

Coyote is 92.2 mm bore

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112.html?utm_content=frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112&utm_campaign=GSNoFitmentV1&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Shopping&AMID=frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112-NoFitment


Stock 4.6 is 90.2

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6010-D46/

Ergo the Coyote should have MORE cubic inch possibility than a stock bore 4.6 ergo the 5.3 stroker is available for the Coyote not the 4.6

The Boss 5.0 has an even larger bore making 5 liters with the stock 4.6 stroke

as the Boss 5.0 is 94 MM

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6010BOSS50

[Captain Dynball]

Coyote is 92.2 mm bore

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112.html?utm_content=frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112&utm_campaign=GSNoFitmentV1&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Shopping&AMID=frpp-aluminum-shortblock-1112-NoFitment


Stock 4.6 is 90.2

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6010-D46/

Ergo the Coyote should have MORE cubic inch possibility than a stock bore 4.6 ergo the 5.3 stroker is available for the Coyote not the 4.6

The Boss 5.0 has an even larger bore making 5 liters with the stock 4.6 stroke

as the Boss 5.0 is 94 MM

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FMS-M-6010BOSS50


Because the Coyote block has the same dimensions as the 4.6 externally it cannot achieve a larger cubic inch potential than like a Boss 5.0. It get's it's cubes from (as you noted) a larger bore than the 4.6 (but smaller than Boss) and a longer stroke than the 4.6.

I, for instance, have a 5.5L big bore stroker based in the 4.6L teksid block. I bet the Coyote can't go beyond that size as well. In my opinion it all comes down to cost.

Cubic inches aside, for the same price of buying a Coyote and the associated computer equipment you can have even a stock 4.6 built very well, buy a transmission to match, and a power adder.

[05crownsport]

I may need a moment....okay, I have regained my composure enough to get all worked up again. How about a twin turbo boss coyote (roadrunner) backed by a 6 spd tremec...in my vic?!!!!!! I would hate to see you all tear apart a perfectly good Marauder......NOW ACCEPTING DONATIONS J/K....:banana:

[b4z]

Will the 5.8 in 2013 gt500 be based on the coyote or on the 5.4?

[Joe Walsh]

Hasn't someone looked into this and found the conversion was such a PITA due to the computer issues that it wasn't $$$ feasible?

I checked out the possibility as soon as the new 5.0 was released.
Spoke with Bob @ Kurgin Motorsports, who is doing new 5.0s into Fox Mustangs.
You are looking at some major cash to do the swap.
I will see if I can find the thread where we discussed what is needed to accomplish the swap.

[rayjay]

I checked out the possibility as soon as the new 5.0 was released.
Spoke with Bob @ Kurgin Motorsports, who is doing new 5.0s into Fox Mustangs.
You are looking at some major cash to do the swap.
I will see if I can find the thread where we discussed what is needed to accomplish the swap.

Thats what I thought, cost prohibitive. :(

[BODYMAN]

+2 not feasible unless u got Super deep pockets.Way to many road blocks along the way.

[mrjones]

I think I would be just about as happy to have the 6-speed auto in my car. A nice deep 1st gear with a good overdrive and 4 other speeds in between ought to do pretty well helping the little engine move the big car.

[Spectragod]

I checked out the possibility as soon as the new 5.0 was released.
Spoke with Bob @ Kurgin Motorsports, who is doing new 5.0s into Fox Mustangs.
You are looking at some major cash to do the swap.
I will see if I can find the thread where we discussed what is needed to accomplish the swap.


Can you define the amount of major cash. 5k, 15k, 20k?

[BODYMAN]

With cost of the motor incl I would guess 15ish. Just no plug and play option for us guys. Of course for U thats not major cash:D

[SpartaPerformance]

Hasn't someone looked into this and found the conversion was such a PITA due to the computer issues that it wasn't $$$ feasible?

Not a PITA at all, everything you need is in the FRPP catalog except for a driver to make the 4r70w work which can be purchased in the aftermarket. I think it would work great being it's a front intake motor and all CAI kits go towards driver side, or barring hood clearance issues FRPP Whipple can be bolted on most likely with ease! :D

[Joe Walsh]

Can you define the amount of major cash. 5k, 15k, 20k?

The guesstimate was 20-25K.

For that kind of money, I can buy a monster BOSS 529 and a 6 speed Tremec.
Installing them is another matter!

[Spectragod]

With cost of the motor incl I would guess 15ish. Just no plug and play option for us guys. Of course for U thats not major cash:D

15k doesn't scare me so much, of course, that's NA, probably wind up being 25-30 with a blower and ironing out all the bugs. That's waaaayyyy more than I'd be willing to throw into it


The guesstimate was 20-25K.

For that kind of money, I can buy a monster BOSS 529 and a 6 speed Tremec.
Installing them is another matter!

Kinda along the lines of what I was expecting...... I'd rather throw that in mods for my house before I'd dump that into a motor for a toy.

[96gt4.6]

Not a BOSS Marauder, but I feel the 6R80 and upcoming Turbo swap makes up for that shortcoming.

Talkin' the talk and soon to be walkin' the walk. Prices have come down a lot since this thread was started.

Here's my conversion in progress. on my 2003 Marauder

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98489

[Logizyme]

Yeah prices sure have dropped, and with accessory brackets available now it really just leaves the choice of swapping a manual trans and using the FRPP PCM/harness or using a modern auto with donor PCM and harness(like you), or running a manual valve body - so really its mostly a transmission issue to get a coyote up and running.

Price wise, your still going to make more power for your money adding an eaton to the 4v rather than N/A coyote, but should you also have the ability to power adder the coyote, you'll have a huge potential and a unique ride.

[96gt4.6]

I agree. Even though the 5.0L has dropped significantly in price over the last 2 years it is still quite an investment, not to mention the conversion costs involved.

The greatest gain would be as mentioned, the potential in the end product. The Coyote N/A with a tune/bolt-ons will eclipse 450 fly HP, and has been proven capable of over 900 hp with forced induction in stock trim.

So I suppose the only factors at play when considering this swap are the capabilities of the person doing the installation, and how much HP you are looking for in the end product, reliably.

This equation should continue to change however, as it seems as the wrecking yards become increasingly populated with Coyote's, the prices should continue to plummet.

[vkirkend]

I have a modular "Boss 302" motor (MMR) in my car.....

[lji372]

i want my time back............

[LOWBUCKMM]

i want my time back............


Agreed!!!!

[lji372]

Agreed!!!!

Dang it!!!

There went another 20 seconds grrrr



:P

[bigcowl-imp]

I`m now convinced that the LS motor is the way to go.. :~)

[RacerX]

5.8l block... :D
http://modularmotorsportsracing.com/DSC03986%20(Small).JPG