It's not a Marauder, but pretty close.

[GreenVic]

How about a 2011 Crown Victoria LX? :banana:

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Allow me to properly introduce myself - My name is Dan, aka Green_Vic from CVN. I've owned several panthers over the past year and half; and I finally got a chance to buy a 2011.

I saw several from a rental company offered for sale about 50 miles from me so I decided to check it out. The sales guy offered to let me take it home for a week and let me see how I liked it. Well, that week I decided to buy it! Picked it up for $16,800. It has 17,500 miles on it and was in the fleet for only 9 months. He also gave me a good trade in on my '03, which was acquired in October of last year with 185K on it. It is Smokestone Metallic with a Camel Interior. The only option it doesn't have is Trac-control.

and FWIW:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/dleech09/NewImage.jpg

I'd like to see your Marauders get 31 MPG highway! :D

[tbone]

I'd like to see your Crown Vics get 0 to 60 in less than 12 seconds.........:flamer:

[CBT]

How about a 2011 Crown Victoria LX? :banana:

and FWIW:



I'd like to see your Marauders get 31 MPG highway! :D


Cool! Enjoy mediocrity! :beer:

[justbob]

I'd like to see your Crown Vic get 0 to 60 in less than 12 seconds.........:flamer:

I laughed so hard, my WIFE pee'd a little!

[tbone]

I laughed so hard, my WIFE pee'd a little!

Thank you. Thank you very much.....

[DOOM]

i'd like to see your crown vic get 0 to 60 in less than 12 seconds.........:flamer:

ouch!!!!!!

[justbob]

Besides, fuel mileage is for the budget minded. My only budget is for more go fast parts!

[JOEMERC]

Hey why is the tachometer on the wrong side lol .looks like a nice car and i like those rims.good luck with her.

[jstevens]

Wow, I just noticed the tach on the other side.

[Shaijack]

Haters. He could have bought a Marauder for less than that.

[GreenVic]

Way to kill my enthusiasm about not owning a 'gas guzzler anymore' :(

[CBT]

Way to kill my enthusiasm about not owning a 'gas guzzler anymore' :(

Mister if you came here for an "attaboy" because you do not own a Marauder and get great gas milage, I gotta tell ya, we can be friends and stuff but we shall never discuss cars while we hang out and party.

[yjmud]

your right my marauder only gets 25.3 on the highway I guess having a 6mpg less I will have to turn it in on the next cash for clunkers to get a prius

[88LTDCV351]

Well I think its a nice vic. Congrats on your purchase.

[GreenVic]

I see how it is - I'm not cool because it ain't a Marauder. :D

But on a serious note - My previous panthers were gas guzzlers compared to this. More like 14-15 city, 19-20 highway. What a difference in mileage between 2.73s and 3.27s.

[tbone]

I see how it is - I'm not cool because it ain't a Marauder. :D
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Come on dude, you set yourself up for this, especially on your very first post! What did you expect?

It's all in fun. Nice Vic.:beer:

[CBT]

I see how it is - I'm not cool because it ain't a Marauder. :D

But on a serious note - My previous panthers were gas guzzlers compared to this. More like 14-15 city, 19-20 highway. What a difference in mileage between 2.73s and 3.27s.

You're cool, it's all good. If you like it that's all that matters. :beer:

[Gryphonzus]

Nice Vic! The biggest problem I see is the big empty HUMP in the front floorboard.

[CBT]

Nice Vic! The biggest problem I see is the big empty HUMP in the front floorboard.
That's where the beer cooler goes. WIN !! :beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

That's where the beer cooler goes. WIN !! :beer:

^^^^^ Spoken like a True Blues Bro! :2thumbs:



BTW, OP, nice Vic, we're just cracking on you a little, don't take it too seriously. ;)

[Fosters]

2.73s? The mpg's are nice, but that gear ratio would drive me nuts. if I remember right from my 96 gt, you can go 60mph in 1st gear at 6000 rpm with that ratio... even more if you have tires bigger than 26"... of course, in the gt it took forever as it made no power after 4800 rpm :p

I doubt the differences with your old vics are all attributed to the gear ratios too...

But hey, welcome :)

[yjmud]

it is all good I beat around on a cvpi with 3.55 gears it doesn't get good mpg but the marauder isn't bad and a lot of fun

[PonyGuy]

Howdy!
Okay, Mr. GreenVic, get to work on that Vic...

I have a 2004 Grandma Marquis LS Ultimate with the HPP option (and I'm over at CVN, too)...
I did the "MZT" modification (80mm MAF intake, Marauder airbox/hose assembly, and a Lonnie tune. With this set-up, I can keep up with most factory-spec Marauders.
But starting with the HPP package is key to the upgrade... aluminum "POLICE" driveshaft, 3.27 gears (some earlier HPP's even got 3.55) and the Hi-Po 11.25" torque converter.

[MrBluGruv]

I can keep up with most factory-spec Marauders.

In all seriousness, if MPGs weren't a huge factor for you OP, ^this^ shouldn't be too hard at all.

Stainless Works headers, a 3000RPM or so stall, and 4.10-4.30-MAYBE 4.56 rear gear setup, all with a tune, would have you running VERY nice for being "just a 2v."

Throw some Mustang performance heads and cam on, which should be loads cheaper being built for 2V instead of 4V, hell it stands to reason you may EMBARRASS a good deal if not all N/A Marauders (save for the radical engine swap guys....)

[Vortex]

Congrats on your new ride! Ive got an 09 GM and just tinted the windows and added Mustang Bullit wheels and have really enjoyed owning it (and I also used to own a Marauder). Welcome to the board!

[RF Overlord]

4.10-4.30-MAYBE 4.56 rear gear setup,

Dunno if I'd go with that steep a ratio on a 2V...unless you plan on running really tall tires in the back.

[HammerDown]

don't take it too seriously[/B]. ;)



what he said^^^^^

Welcome to the site and enjoy that really nice Crown Vic

[GreenVic]

Thanks guys! There are a lot of rascals on this site I see. :P

Sadly I would like to keep the factory warranty in-check, which it has exactly 4 years left of for the power train, and 2 bumper-to-bumper. Mod wise I might do some tints and maybe pick up 17" with full wheel covers to change the look a bit, but can't do much else. :cool:

[BirchMarauder]

Our cars can get 31 mpg if u change the rear gears to 2.73.

[Bluerauder]

I'd like to see your Marauders get 31 MPG highway! :D

H3LL, that woman with the POS Honda Civic Hybrid is complaining that she is only getting 30 MPG in her lawsuit. :rolleyes:

BTW -- the kick I get out of the Marauder when I mash the pedal beats that 31 MPG hands down IMHO. :D And it gets 24.5 MPG on the highway cruisin' at 75-80 MPH. Close enough. :P

[CBT]

Thanks guys! There are a lot of rascals on this site I see. :P

Sadly I would like to keep the factory warranty in-check, which it has exactly 4 years left of for the power train, and 2 bumper-to-bumper. Mod wise I might do some tints and maybe pick up 17" with full wheel covers to change the look a bit, but can't do much else. :cool:


Just noticed you are in PA, you just missed a large Marauder gathering in Hershey a couple months back. Incredibly awesome time was had!

[Phrog_gunner]

Hey why is the tachometer on the wrong side lol

On the wrong side compared to what?

[Blackened300a]

Stainless Works headers, a 3000RPM or so stall, and 4.10-4.30-MAYBE 4.56 rear gear setup, all with a tune, would have you running VERY nice for being "just a 2v."

Throw some Mustang performance heads and cam on, which should be loads cheaper being built for 2V instead of 4V, hell it stands to reason you may EMBARRASS a good deal if not all N/A Marauders (save for the radical engine swap guys....)

Meh, I still don't think all those mods would put a 2V deep into the 13's. They have the same weight, but are starting with a 60hp disadvantage.

[MrBluGruv]

Meh, I still don't think all those mods would put a 2V deep into the 13's. They have the same weight, but are starting with a 60hp disadvantage.

I'd still like to see it go down though. With matched performance heads and cams like I mentioned, I think a LOT more power could come from that 2V. Now of course the same could be said of 4V motors I suppose, but then it becomes an issue of money, and I'm pretty confident 2V components like that are SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper than 4V. Especially if the internal block geometry is nearly if not exactly identical, really the heads and cam configuration should be the only thing setting them apart.

My biggest concern would be a massive difference in available torque under the power curve, I'm guessing the 2V engines drop a significant amount of torque at higher RPM compared to 4V engines as for why it was mentioned that too much gear would be a bad thing for the 2V-equipped car.

[Ngreen0807]

Nice car :)

I don't know if I would say "pretty close to a marauder" though.

[a_d_a_m]

I get the same mileage whether it's my Marquis or my Marauder.
I love 'em both equally. The Marquis is an excellent daily driver/highway cruiser, the Marauder is a fun 2nd car.

And for the O/P, not bad on the 31.3, I don't think I have the discipline to go 55mph to attain it. And those new headrests are horrible, hahaha!

[Roadwarrior]

I had driven a 2011 Crown Vic as a car rental twice last year while inspecting different Marauders for sale & they were very nice cars & enjoyed driving them. I averaged 26-28 mpg highway cruising at 70-75 m.p.h. Enjoy your new ride GreenVic. { BTW, one was Black & the other one was a DTR.}

[massacre]

I'm pretty confident 2V components like that are SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper than 4V.

A common misconception:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-51900006-M44

VS

Throw a pair of properly degreed '96-'98 Cobra cams in the 4V for a couple hundred bucks.

OP that's a decent police car but it's not even close to a Marauder.

[MrBluGruv]

A common misconception:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-51900006-M44

VS

Throw a pair of properly degreed '96-'98 Cobra cams in the 4V for a couple hundred bucks.

OP that's a decent police car but it's not even close to a Marauder.

Two thoughts come to mind:

For the average person (read: a person who isn't a mechanic), I don't think the acquisition and installation of those years of Cobra cams could be done for a couple hundred bucks.

Secondly, would a set of cobra cams be able to flow as well and make as much power as matched performance heads and cams for a 2V engine?


I'm not so sure on the second part of this as I am the first.

[massacre]

I bet it would be about equal.
modularspeed on the corral had his Mach 1 making 375 wheel N/A with bolt-ons and Cobra cams. I got my Cobra cams for $150 + shipping.

[MrBluGruv]

I bet it would be about equal.
modularspeed on the corral had his Mach 1 making 375 wheel N/A with bolt-ons and Cobra cams. I got my Cobra cams for $150 + shipping.

What is the extent of "bolt ons?" Pardon my skepticism, but unless that also calls for performance heads on his 4v, I don't see how on earth he's making nearly 75 wheel horsepower more than the full bolt-on 4V engines on here with just a cam swap, let alone a stock-spec cam profile from an older Cobra on such a small displacement engine (relatively speaking). I mean hell, even most LS guys wouldn't hope to gain 75whp from a cam upgrade alone on anything short of an absolutely wild cam spec, and that power ends up being peaky as all hell.

Plus still, $150 in parts and shipping, but what about labor? Not everyone is able to do a cam swap, in fact many people aren't equipped with the knowledge or tools to do so, and shop labor rates aren't exactly cheap for cam swaps.

I'm thinking I either don't understand you or I'm not communicating my own thoughts very well on all this...

[massacre]

Well I do all my own labor, lol, so I see what you're saying there.

But if you're paying for it, it's labor either way, cam swap or head swap. And head swap takes longer, = more $$$.

Don't forget, a lot of power is in the tune.
As far as modularspeed, his threads are all over the corral. He had some bolt-ons, sure, but all the same bolt-ons that you would do to that same 2V motor: intake, TB, intake spacer, longtubes, exhaust, etc.

I'm sorry if I'm missing your point on this, but 4V stuff has come down in price, it's not nearly as expensive as it used to be.
And the stuff it takes to make a 2V competitive with the 4V (trick flow heads)is almost 3 grand just for the parts.

I'm not saying you're completely wrong, deals come up all the time for cheap parts. I just think there's this mentality that it costs millions of dollars to mod a 4V but it's dirt cheap to mod a 2V.
That's definitely not the case, if we are talking the same power level for both motors.

[MrBluGruv]

I'm sorry if I'm missing your point on this, but 4V stuff has come down in price, it's not nearly as expensive as it used to be.
And the stuff it takes to make a 2V competitive with the 4V (trick flow heads)is almost 3 grand just for the parts.

I'm not saying you're completely wrong, deals come up all the time for cheap parts. I just think there's this mentality that it costs millions of dollars to mod a 4V but it's dirt cheap to mod a 2V.
That's definitely not the case, if we are talking the same power level for both motors.

That's a fair assessment, I can easily be out of date with the feel I had for pricing (I guess it doesn't hurt now that the non-VVT 4V modular engines a la cobra are starting to become old-hat to most of the tuning market now that there is the coyote out there.)

I suppose part of it all comes back to the fact that it takes money to go fast any way you do it, and it's pay to play. :P

Frankly, I'm also blown away at 375whp from an n/a 4.6, regardless of the 4V or 2V setup, even if I HAVE seen multiple cases of such power for both head types of 4.6.

[OneBADLsE]

nevermind..

[GreenVic]

My Mod list, when I'm not poor:

- Tint (30-35% all around)
- Color matched fascia
- Marauder Rear sway bar add (note: 2011 LXs DO NOT have factory sway bars in the rear)

- Dual Exhaust
- and MAYBE 17" steelies and full wheel covers, you know, for the whacka look? :flamer:

[CBT]

My Mod list, when I'm not poor:

- Tint (30-35% all around)
- Color matched fascia
- Marauder Rear sway bar add (note: 2011 LXs DO NOT have factory sway bars in the rear)

- Dual Exhaust
- and MAYBE 17" steelies and full wheel covers, you know, for the whacka look? :flamer:
Twenny Fo's!!! :beer:

[SC Cheesehead]

Twenny Fo's!!! :beer:

Or mo'

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/10/17/3_alnwA_6648.jpg

:D

[blazen71]

and FWIW:

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd418/dleech09/NewImage.jpg

I'd like to see your Marauders get 31 MPG highway! :D

Try doing your mileage with pen and paper. On board computers are for s***.

[71cyclone]

ouch!!!!!!
The "VIC" ia A KEEPER /One of the last of the MOHICIANS from ST THOMAS :beer:

[71cyclone]

Or mo'

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/10/17/3_alnwA_6648.jpg

:D
Now that is a " THROW BACK " :cool4:

[Blackened300a]

What is the extent of "bolt ons?" Pardon my skepticism, but unless that also calls for performance heads on his 4v, I don't see how on earth he's making nearly 75 wheel horsepower more than the full bolt-on 4V engines on here with just a cam swap, let alone a stock-spec cam profile from an older Cobra on such a small displacement engine (relatively speaking). I mean hell, even most LS guys wouldn't hope to gain 75whp from a cam upgrade alone on anything short of an absolutely wild cam spec, and that power ends up being peaky as all hell.

Plus still, $150 in parts and shipping, but what about labor? Not everyone is able to do a cam swap, in fact many people aren't equipped with the knowledge or tools to do so, and shop labor rates aren't exactly cheap for cam swaps.

I'm thinking I either don't understand you or I'm not communicating my own thoughts very well on all this...

Agreed. I think we are able to put down a little south of 325rwhp with every bolt-on. JDM engineering told me that a set of custom cams degreed to spec will help a 4v gain up to 70hp. Not RWHP, but flywheel hp. I'm not too sure about those numbers from a cam swap.
My other concern with the cobra cam swap is that the 96-98 cobras made 305hp and 300tq which is about the same power as we make and we have lower profile cams. What else is different in our engines that we can make 18ft lbs more torque and only 3hp less without these cams that are supposed to make 25rwhp in our engines with them? That makes me wonder if the cobra cam swap is really worth the money and labor.

[justbob]

My Mod list, when I'm not poor:


17" steelies and full wheel covers, you know, for the WHACKA look? :flamer:

Oh boy. You one of "those" guys? Yep, I'm done here.

Don't forget the push bumper, wig wags, and red/blue tissue boxs in the back window... Never understood this.

[GreenVic]

Oh boy. You one of "those" guys? Yep, I'm done here.

Don't forget the push bumper, wig wags, and red/blue tissue boxs in the back window... Never understood this.

You just reminded me to order them. :P

j/k

I do like the the 06-11 Full wheel covers. It would definitely look good on this car, and give me a chance to change the look up.

[Fosters]

Agreed. I think we are able to put down a little south of 325rwhp with every bolt-on. JDM engineering told me that a set of custom cams degreed to spec will help a 4v gain up to 70hp. Not RWHP, but flywheel hp. I'm not too sure about those numbers from a cam swap.
My other concern with the cobra cam swap is that the 96-98 cobras made 305hp and 300tq which is about the same power as we make and we have lower profile cams. What else is different in our engines that we can make 18ft lbs more torque and only 3hp less without these cams that are supposed to make 25rwhp in our engines with them? That makes me wonder if the cobra cam swap is really worth the money and labor.

Heads are the biggest design change. The 96-98 cobra heads (also came on 93-97 mark viii and some years of the continental) have huge twin intake ports to feed the intake valves. To counter the loss of low end power that comes with the loss of velocity (because of the high volume air doesn't need to move that quick to fill up the tiny cylinder), they employed the use of some intake butterflies - known as IMRC's - intake manifold runner control. These would open up at 3250 rpm and would open both ports, whereas otherwise they would stay closed below that to increase that velocity. The butterflies have their advantages and disadvantages, yes, they improve low/mid power in n/a form, but they also have some reliability issues - they tend to stick closed due to oil/carbon build up, since no air and no fuel gets past the secondary ports to clean them up.

The advantage to those heads is that they can flow a LOT of air at high rpm (8000+) and that they are great for forced induction. The cars came with slightly more aggressive cams than ours, but nothing to write home about.

Our cars' heads are a bit better from an n/a standpoint, not needing IMRCs and making better low and midrange, and not that great up top, but at the end of the day, our cars are limited at the top end by the intake more than anything.

Having a mach with every bolt on in the world, I would like to know what's done to hit 375rwhp on one; I know for sure that the stock intake will not do it; if I had to guess, it's either a 2500 dollar FR500 variable geometry intake, or an adapted aviator one, or a shortened/ported/polished stock runner intake
that likely kills low end power, and that 375rwhp no longer comes at 6000-6100 rpm, but now at 7200+...

In the end, getting 375rwhp n/a out of a 4.6 is probably more expensive than bolting on an On3 turbo kit or some cheap centrifugal... and definitely more expensive than strapping on a 75 shot which will not even tickle it.

[massacre]

Step 1: Go to the corral forums

Step 2: find the member "modularspeed".

Step 3: PM modularspeed and ask him exactly which bolt-ons he used to get to 375 N/A RWHP.

Step 4: profit???

He posted up dyno sheets, granted this was through a manual trans, not an auto which may account for some of this.

[Fosters]

1 Went to Corral
2 Found ModularSpeed
3 Found ModularSpeed's thread about installing an on3 turbo kit after he hit a best of 346rwhp NA:

http://forums.corral.net/forums/svt-dohc/1313404-on3-performance-turbo-kit-install.html

I think I've read about his combo on m1r before; if I'm not mistaking he ported his own intake and is running the whole deal through a t45; the lightest manual trannys for the 4.6 out there. When i swapped from the 3650 to the t56 in my mach, I lost 6hp. When I put c clip eliminator kit on the rear axle, I lost 12. I'm at 310rwhp now, I could see 325ish with his tranny/rear axle; and the same 345ish with the 96-98 cams... Not to rag on his combo, but I like my car to not be a ticking timebomb. I've had to do the drive of shame at the track due to a misaligned clutch before, never again, especially for no broken parts :D

hijack: Sad to read (in your sig) Johnny Langton died... Not sure who am I gonna argue about pi vs non-pi heads with now...

[massacre]

Yeah I swear he hit 375 wheel before he started putting the turbo kit on it. But like you said, ticking time bomb. Yes he had a self-ported intake IIRC.

And yes, it is tragic about Johhny, he was killed in a pretty gruesome car accident while driving to work. An Explorer lost control on the other side of the highway, went across the median, and then jumped the guardrail and went straight into his windshield. He never even had a chance. He was a very important member of the modular community, especially for the time. That was back when the modulars were not even really accepted as a high-performance engine, especially the NPI motors.