looking at pistols to buy

[whitey]

looking at possibly buying a pistol, but i don't know much about guns(im a great shot, just not much on specs). im thinking of a 9mm. i want something thats not too expensive to target shoot with, but something powerful enough to be used for personal defense/in the house. me and a buddy took his glock 9mm last weekend to the range and i liked it, but im not sure if there are better guns out there for the price...~$500 or less. im not set on 9mm either, just figured that it is an inexpensive round to shoot? lastly, i know this isn't a gun forum, but i figured there are enough LEO's on here that could point me in a decent direction. thanks for the input--whitey

[capt512]

Well for your price point assuming you want a semi-auto I would stick with a 9mm and a glock or XD isn't a bad choice. I am a 45 guy myself but ammo is more expensive.

[whitey]

whats an xd?

[whitey]

nevermind....springfield xd

[1 Bad Merc]

You might want to look at a CZ .40. It is just a little heavier then the 9 but not like a 45. Kick is a lot less to then a 45. I tried one down in Texas and preferred it over the 9's I tried.

[Go2GuyFL]

You first need to decide when you plan on carrying the firearm ... self defense, hunting, and/or target shooting.

Statistics state that in most self preservation situations there have been less than three rounds fired and proximity within 10 yards.

I have four favorites:

- Taurus Model 627 ... 7-rd .357 magnum with 4" ported barrel for field carry with Speer 170 grain hollow point

- Taurus Public Defender ... loaded with first two rounds of Federal .410 000 followed by Speer .45 Long Colt (FBI loads their shotguns with alternating rounds this way to takedown primary and secondary with buck shot, and then the driver with deer slug).

- Smith & Wesson 649 Body Guard ... snub nose .357 magnum with shrouded hammer which can fire while still concealed. Speer makes a .135 gr short barreled round offering reduced recoil with rapid expansion.

- Kahr P40 ... dual action semi auto with S&W .40 rounds with very minimal profile for front pocket carry

You should be able to pick up any of these with enough money leftover to add a Mossberg 500 12 gauge as first reach to defend your domain - first two rounds 00 or 000 followed by a slug, then repeat pattern.

[boatmangc]

I carry the Kahr P40, love it.

I also fired the Taurus Judge 410/45 revolver recently. Nice weapon that didn't kick too hard.
With the Winchester PDX1 401 rounds it would destroy a small target at 30'. It's not much of a choice for CC but around the house. I like it, it's wifey's next gun.

[Mercguy04]

I carry a Beretta PXStorm SW.40 full size.
Good stopping power for close range and long.
Nice slim side arm easy to carry and good for CCW.
Go2Guys has a good read on the shot guns and there rounds. I like the Mossburg 12 Gauge. Very well made.
If you are set on stopping power, S&W M&P 45 Cal, Heavy arm but will do the job
very well.
I would suggest you go to the range as much as you can. Can't hurt, and you need
to be prepared to use the side arm with accuracy. You present it, you use it.

If you are looking for deals on arment try Guns America.Google them. Look arond
there web site. I have found some good prices there.
Russell

[fastblackmerc]

What do you guys think about the Kel Tec?

[F8LBITEva]

I just picked up a Springfield XDM .40 and I love it. Its my concealed carry and home defense

[RacerX]

Target shooting/plinking around and home defense? Nothing beats the realiability of a good revolver. A .357 S&W is a good choice and for cheap target practice you just use .38SPL rounds. :beer:

[Vortex]

If you are new to shooting, I recommend you buy a revolver. They are much easier to deal with for a new shooter and probably safer too. A nice .38 is all you really need and you can get a decent Taurus (a Brazilian made gun that uses older style Smith & Wesson designs) for a reasonable price.

[Go2GuyFL]

Whatever you choose, be sure to practice firing in each hand. The best points to making your first pistol a revolver are:
- get a bad round, so what ... keep pulling trigger to cycle to a good round
- easy to shoot in either hand as casing don't eject, good for lefties
- you can safely load .38 special loads in a .357 magnum for further reducing recoil and cheaper ammo for target shooting
- safely go from dual action to single action as well as releasing hammer without misfiring
- exposed or shrouded gives access to hammer to **** that you don't have with internal and semi-auto
- wifey doesn't need special operating instructions should she need to use it

Think about the real world situations where you might need to rely on it. What are the motions you're going to take? That will dictate what you need.

My firsts were the parkerized Mossberg 590 as it will carry 8 rounds and the S&W 649 (Taurus makes a similar model CIA, although the S&W has a bigger grip).

[Spectragod]

Whatever you choose, be sure to practice firing in each hand. The best points to making your first pistol a revolver are:
- get a bad round, so what ... keep pulling trigger to cycle to a good round
- easy to shoot in either hand as casing don't eject, good for lefties
- you can safely load .38 special loads in a .357 magnum for further reducing recoil and cheaper ammo for target shooting
- safely go from dual action to single action as well as releasing hammer without misfiring
- exposed or shrouded gives access to hammer to **** that you don't have with internal and semi-auto
- wifey doesn't need special operating instructions should she need to use it
- no brass to police, leaving more time to get away:D

Think about the real world situations where you might need to rely on it. What are the motions you're going to take? That will dictate what you need.

My firsts were the parkerized Mossberg 590 as it will carry 8 rounds and the S&W 649 (Taurus makes a similar model CIA, although the S&W has a bigger grip).

I made an addition. I love revolvers, I usually carry a model 19 357 snub nose or a 4" model 29 44 mag as an off duty weapon. Both have proven stopping power.

[MarauderVOL]

As a LEO I've been carrying and shooting a Glock for 15yrs absolutely love the gun. Easy to shoot, clean, reliable, and JMO 1 of the best priced handguns out there.

[Marauderjack]

What do you guys think about the Kel Tec?

I have 2 Kel Tec P-11's and love 'em!!:beer:

Takes awhile and some practice to get used to DA only and long trigger pull but they are very accurate when you get the hang of it!!:D

Also, it holds 10+1 rounds which is a lot for a pocket pistol!!:eek:

[sailsmen]

The ammo is more important than the caliber. Anything larger than 9mm and you should regularly shoot it at the range.
Most Gun Ranges rent a variety of guns. Rent before you buy.
A gun is a tool. When you pick it up it should feel "right" in your hand.
You need to define the use of the tool. A tool suitable for personal defense may not be suitable for CC or regular use at the range.

You also need to analyze your home environment to determine how if at all you will secure the gun.

I know people who are good shots and I will not be any where around them when they are near a gun. Take a Gun Course, CC is a good course even if you are not getting a CC permit.

Guns last a life time. Take your time in making this life time decision.

[STEPS]

A 1911 colt 45
why have a 45
THEY DON'T MAKE A 46

[Blackmobile]

Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compact. Can hold up to 13 rounds.

[Krytin]

A 1911 colt 45
why have a 45
THEY DON'T MAKE A 46

+1 on that - that's what I have.

Military hardball is pretty cheep and it's cheep and easy to reload.

Lee Pro 1000 comes all set up to load the 45 ACP for under $200 then you just need something to clean the brass in.

[bugsyc]

All good choices.As said depends on where and how you're going to use it...Kel tec light weights are inexpensive concealed weapons..I like my Barreta 32..I had a Ruger 9MM,too big and heavy...Go to a gun store with a firing range and try a few out...Each to his own...bugsy

[martyo]

First step:

Take a gun safety course at a range.

Second step:

Rent various guns at the range. See what fits you.

Third step:

Welcome to your next addiction.

[capt512]

Something to remember the lighter it is usually the more it kicks. You can go get a SW Airweight or Keltec PF9 for under your budget and will be easy to carry any day of the week but if after 10 rounds your hand is killing you and you don't want to shoot it then it may not be the right choice for you. Gunshops are many times eager to suggest tiny pocket guns like that you just have to realize what you are getting. I use the same guns for my Home Defense as carry for the most part. I have an LCP for something small to throw in the pocket if I can't carry for most of the day. However my main and usual carry guns are Rock Island Armory 1911 Compact with Crimson in a Raven or Kholster holster with a Beltman Belt, or a Springfield XD45 Compact with Springer Precision Trigger, Xtreme Grips, and TruGlo Tritium Fiber Optic Sights, in similar holster and belt setup. Both carry Hornady Critical Defense ammo.

[guspech750]

First step:

Take a gun safety course at a range.

Second step:

Rent various guns at the range. See what fits you.

Third step:

Welcome to your next addiction.

Yeeeeeees!!

Did that yesterday. Rented a few handguns. And had a grand ole time.

Time to start a new addiction!!


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[Ozark Marauder]

First step:

Take a gun safety course at a range.

Second step:

Rent various guns at the range. See what fits you.

Third step:

Welcome to your next addiction.


The ammo is more important than the caliber. Anything larger than 9mm and you should regularly shoot it at the range.
Most Gun Ranges rent a variety of guns. Rent before you buy.
A gun is a tool. When you pick it up it should feel "right" in your hand.
You need to define the use of the tool. A tool suitable for personal defense may not be suitable for CC or regular use at the range.

You also need to analyze your home environment to determine how if at all you will secure the gun.

I know people who are good shots and I will not be any where around them when they are near a gun. Take a Gun Course, CC is a good course even if you are not getting a CC permit.

Guns last a life time. Take your time in making this life time decision.

Sound advice!!!!!!

For me:

Home use:

S&W "Nightguard" .38 special, Corbon DPX Loads

http://www.gunblast.com/SW-Nightguards.htm

Carry:

Beretta "Tomcat" .32 caliber

http://www.berettausa.com/products/3032-tomcat-wide-slide/


OZ

[BODYMAN]

Taurus 24/7 Model semiauto's are a great bang for the buck got 2 diff 24/7 models one is 9mm & 40.cal both with well over a 1,000 rounds thru them with 0 issues. Price wise they are very reasonable

[BODYMAN]

First step:

Take a gun safety course at a range.

Second step:

Rent various guns at the range. See what fits you.

Third step:

Welcome to your next addiction.

Very Well said. This has been my 1st & most expensive addisction ever. 2 gun full gun safes later.

[Gryphonzus]

I have a Taurus PT92 9mm for home defense and a Glock 40 s&w for carry. I also have a Springfield 45 but have not shot it yet so I cannot recommend it. Good luck on your choice!

[Go2GuyFL]

S&W "Nightguard" .38 special, Corbon DPX Loads

Nice series.

[Green96]

There are diffidently better guns that Glock, but for the money Glock is VERY hard to beat. The S&W M&P line is a very close competitor. I would probably do a S&W M&P9 if everything else was equal.

If you want to stay with a striker fired DOA gun look at the Ruger SR9. They are not quite as good as a Glock, but they can be had for $399 if you look hard enough. I am a little bit of a gun snob, but I would trust my life to an SR9.

If you want to venture into the DA/SA conventional hammer fired gun, the CZ75 that someone already mentioned is excellent for the money. Personally I would look for the D version (CZ-75D) for de-cocker. The regular version uses the European style style slide mounted safety, and in my opinion if you are going to have a safety 1911 style down for fire up for safe is the only way to go. The D version replaces the safety with a de-cocker. Once de-cocked it is as safe as any revolver...long heavy pull to go bang.

For an added bonus look for a gun that has a 22lr conversion kit available. It will pay for itself in ammo savings. The CZ has one called the Kadet. They are available for the Glock, but they are not made by Glock. I have not seen any for the Ruger.

[slickster]

if you want to do steel plate target get a beretta neos 22. i got one for that reason and its great. if you go with a glock get a 17 for less recoil and theres more stuff avalible for a 3rd gen glock then a 4th gen for now

[Green96]

I forgot to mention. Glock sights suck. If you are going to concealed carry, you have to look at Kahr. The P-series is expensive, but the CW line if less expensive an fine for every day carry.

They are thin (concealable), and have the best trigger of any striker fired gun I have ever tried. They tell you up front that they have a 200 rd break in period, but I have never had a single issue with mine.

Did I mention that Glock sights suck.

[whitey]

looking into a s&w m&p 9mm....i went to the gun store/range, and held a glock 17, springfield xdm, and the s&w m&p. the xdm is ~$730....too pricey, the glock 17 felt nice, but that trigger is a bit awkward, the m&p felt great, with a nicer trigger, and nicer sights, and for $519.....right in my range. im going to use it for target practice, and home defense, never going to need a CC....i try to aviod situations, and if i cant..then so be it. the xd's safety on the back of the handle was nice except that the guy at the store showed me that if i was being attacked, the 'bad' guy could grab the barrel and pull down, thus releasing my hand from the handle and making the gun unable to fire......im sure somebody has a remedy for this, like special pistol training, but i dont, nor do i care to take any courses....not to be offensive. any input on the m&p 9mm?

[Predneck]

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-1/index.html

I highly recommend these guys when it comes to buying a firearm. Their prices are hard to beat. I bought a Taurus 1911, 38 Super from them last year. People are selling them used for more money than I paid new. It is an odd round, expensive to shoot. More velocity than a 357mag though.
They have everything you could ask for though. Just find the gun you want as nothing compares to handling and shooting a weapon and then call them to see if they can get and price.
Had gun in three days at local gun shop.

[Predneck]

The m&p is $399- $425 at cdnn dependent on size you prefer.
Just have shipped to a local FFL. Usually they charge a $25-50 fee for a handgun transfer. Check around to find the cheapest. CDNN charges $9.95 shipping.
So you have a gun for around $450 with no tax. That would have cost you $519 plus tax with your local shop.

[CBT]

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-1/index.html

I highly recommend these guys when it comes to buying a firearm. Their prices are hard to beat. I bought a Taurus 1911, 38 Super from them last year. People are selling them used for more money than I paid new. It is an odd round, expensive to shoot. More velocity than a 357mag though.
They have everything you could ask for though. Just find the gun you want as nothing compares to handling and shooting a weapon and then call them to see if they can get and price.
Had gun in three days at local gun shop.

Oooooo, 50 round .308 drum for AR10's! And they sell the Springfield Armory Range Officer 1911 .45 I want but it says to call for price.

[whitey]

The m&p is $399- $425 at cdnn dependent on size you prefer.
Just have shipped to a local FFL. Usually they charge a $25-50 fee for a handgun transfer. Check around to find the cheapest. CDNN charges $9.95 shipping.
So you have a gun for around $450 with no tax. That would have cost you $519 plus tax with your local shop.

thats a good deal! thanks for the website!--whitey

[Go2GuyFL]

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-1/index.html

Page 49 ... S&W i-Bolt .30-06 RealTree AP camo stock and 23" barrel ... 3 or more save add'l $20. Who's in for group buy?

[Go2GuyFL]

So sad ...
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2012/february/384140/Young-woman-accidentally-shot-at-fathers-church-dies.html

[sailsmen]

With this one I don't know wether to laugh, cry or duck.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/46491/police_officer_accidentally_fi res_a_gun_in_a_classroom/

[martyo]

looking into a s&w m&p 9mm....i went to the gun store/range, and held a glock 17, springfield xdm, and the s&w m&p. the xdm is ~$730....too pricey, the glock 17 felt nice, but that trigger is a bit awkward, the m&p felt great, with a nicer trigger, and nicer sights, and for $519.....right in my range. im going to use it for target practice, and home defense, never going to need a CC....i try to aviod situations, and if i cant..then so be it. the xd's safety on the back of the handle was nice except that the guy at the store showed me that if i was being attacked, the 'bad' guy could grab the barrel and pull down, thus releasing my hand from the handle and making the gun unable to fire......im sure somebody has a remedy for this, like special pistol training, but i dont, nor do i care to take any courses....not to be offensive. any input on the m&p 9mm?

Also consider looking at www.gunbroker.com when you identify the gun you are interested in.

[CBT]

So sad ...
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2012/february/384140/Young-woman-accidentally-shot-at-fathers-church-dies.html
What an idiot!!

[guspech750]

So sad ...
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2012/february/384140/Young-woman-accidentally-shot-at-fathers-church-dies.html

Sad indeed because of a F-king idiot who should put the gun up to his head and pull the trigger. I hope he does.


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[Richy04]

I carry a Glock 19 on duty, and off duty I carry a glock 19. 9mm speer gold dots. Make sure you take a course on gun safety. I do like the 357 also, what's great is you can shoot 38 ammo in it at the range and save some $$. l

[Predneck]

Sad indeed because of a F-king idiot who should put the gun up to his head and pull the trigger. I hope he does.


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

I think that is too easy and would add to the tragedy. What would be worse is a long life of waking up everyday with the knowledge of what you did. Imagine that everyone you encounter knows it also. Incredible guilt to shoulder.
It was an accident. Albeit a very avoidable and tragic one. Undoubtedly the family being that of a minister will act in a Christian way and forgive this person. I could only hope to act that way.
There alot of lessons to be learned from incidents like these. My prayers go out to all involved.

[sailsmen]

Sad indeed because of a F-king idiot who should put the gun up to his head and pull the trigger. I hope he does.


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

Wow, I thought it was an accident? Assuming it was;

IF someone is backing out of their driveway to show a friend a new car and accidentally hits the gas instead of the brake killing a 4 year old child should they also kill themselves?

What if someone is street racing and loses control killing another should they also kill them selves?

Hoping someone kills themselves because they caused an accident is not an accident but an active thought that another dies :confused:. There is nothing to indicate this man who caused the accident was hoping another should die.

Many of us have seen someone killed due to an accident or have seen it post accident. I have never heard someone hoping the preson who caused the accident kill themselves. It seems truly bizzarre to me and I hope most others feel the same way.
Am I missing something about the story?

[guspech750]

Wow, I thought it was an accident? Assuming it was;

IF someone is backing out of their driveway to show a friend a new car and accidentally hits the gas instead of the brake killing a 4 year old child should they also kill themselves?

What if someone is street racing and loses control killing another should they also kill them selves?

Hoping someone kills themselves because they caused an accident is not an accident but an active thought that another dies :confused:. There is nothing to indicate this man who caused the accident was hoping another should die.

Many of us have seen someone killed due to an accident or have seen it post accident. I have never heard someone hoping the preson who caused the accident kill themselves. It seems truly bizzarre to me and I hope most others feel the same way.
Am I missing something about the story?

Those that you mentioned are all irresponsible acts that could have been avoided but we're not due to the irresponsible acts of others and people are hurt or killed. I'm tired of senseless acts. It's time for an eye for an eye type system. Then people might actually wake up.

Just like at work. Safety never takes a break. It's the irresponsible acts of others that do.

And what's so bizarre about the story. The idiot took the clip out correct? But he didn't take the one round out of the chamber. That's not an accident. Thats being irresponsible and could have been avoided. A bird shting on my head is an accident.

Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

Springfield XD series...some great, reliable guns. And very affordable.

I love my XD40

[guspech750]

Springfield XD series...some great, reliable guns. And very affordable.

I love my XD40

I just rented one Friday. I liked it! And now I want it!!

Damn theses $$$$$$$$ hobbies!


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[SC Cheesehead]

I just rented one Friday. I liked it! And now I want it!!

Damn theses $$$$$$$$ hobbies!


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

I hear that... :(

Why is it we can't take pleasure in cheap hobbies, like, well, I dunno, knitting, or maybe crocheting? :dunno:

[Haggis]

I hear that... :(

Why is it we can't take pleasure in cheap hobbies, like, well, I dunno, knitting, or maybe crocheting? :dunno:

What, you don't?

[Haggis]

Whitey, the M&P is a good choice I have one in .45, also look at the Sig226 and the CZ75 PO-7 Duty. Both great weapons.

But if all you are looking for is home defense get a shotgun, alot less paper work and restrictions in Maryland.

[SC Cheesehead]

Whitey, the M&P is a good choice I have one in .45, also look at the Sig226 and the CZ75 PO-7 Duty. Both great weapons.

But if all you are looking for is home defense get a shotgun, alot less paper work and restrictions in Maryland.

I've heard lotsa positive comments about the CZ, you got one by any chance?

[Haggis]

I've heard lotsa positive comments about the CZ, you got one by any chance?

No, but I am looking into getting one in 40 and or a 357 revolver.

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

But if all you are looking for is home defense get a shotgun, alot less paper work and restrictions in Maryland.

Wal-Mart has Mossburg Maverick 500s for $189. We have two. ;)

[SC Cheesehead]

No, but I am looking into getting one in 40 and or a 357 revolver.

Me too.

At the risk of really stirring up the shatpot, what's your thoughts on .40 vs 9mm?

[Haggis]

Me too.

At the risk of really stirring up the shatpot, what's your thoughts on .40 vs 9mm?

I have 9s and really like shooting them and a 40 is between a 9 and a 45 and ammo is becoming more popular.

[AConvertedChevy]

I sometimes open carry my Ruger SR-40 to work or around town, but I purchased the firearm primarily as a "keep under my pillow" home defense weapon and it is a bit bulky but I sure do feel safe. :)

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

I wanted something that could both put a bad guy/home intruder down with 1 shot, and also a high capacity magazine. The .40 fits those needs the best, IMO.

.40 cal definitely packs a punch, more so than a 9, and unlike the big bulky .45 bullets that usually hold 8 max, most .40s have 12 round mags. Again, I'm obviously no expert, so I'm not sure if 8 round mags is all .45s. But then again, if you tag somebody with a .45, they're gonna go down for sure LOL.

[Go2GuyFL]

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-1/index.html (http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-1/index.html)I highly recommend these guys when it comes to buying a firearm. T

Thanks for the reminder about this superstore. I had ordered mags and other accessories from them a long time ago. While I have battle rifles and shotguns, I've been wanting something to complete my collection with a bolt action hunting rifle. Just got their email advertising the Ruger Hawkeye VLEH Tactical with .302 Win 20" heavy bull barrel. Comes with free 1" rings and tactical bipod. Fortunately, I got one of the three they have in-stock.

I was about to order a .30-06; however, now I don't have to order any more ammo or other accessories.

This is such a great gun, err, I mean car forum! Flags will be back up soon.

[CBT]

Home defense shotgun? Coach gun. Little double barreled bastid barely higher than my knees. Fairly cheap at your local Bass Pro Shop.

[Green96]

It is more about control and getting good hits on target that caliber. Advancements in ammo have leveled the field quite a bit. Get whatever is comfortable and controllable 9 or .40 doesn't really matter that much.

[Fosters]

Springfield XD series...some great, reliable guns. And very affordable.

I love my XD40

I have an XD45 compact, for home defense, great handgun. But for carrying, kinda hard to conceal, and pretty uncomfortable.

And for home defense, I do grab the shotgun faster also. Figured, the pump racking sound is more likely all that will be needed, and less chance it'll go thru too many layers of drywall and kill neighbors.

[Predneck]

Thanks for the reminder about this superstore. I had ordered mags and other accessories from them a long time ago. While I have battle rifles and shotguns, I've been wanting something to complete my collection with a bolt action hunting rifle. Just got their email advertising the Ruger Hawkeye VLEH Tactical with .302 Win 20" heavy bull barrel. Comes with free 1" rings and tactical bipod. Fortunately, I got one of the three they have in-stock.

I was about to order a .30-06; however, now I don't have to order any more ammo or other accessories.

This is such a great gun, err, I mean car forum! Flags will be back up soon.

Glad I could be of help. I just don't like to overspend for anything. Well, no one does, but I will go the extra mile and search to make sure I don't. Enjoy the Ruger. I have a 1974 Ruger Single Six 22cal I bought off a guy for $50 last year outside a gun store after they would not take it on a trade. Lucky buy. Right place, right time kinda thing. Dinged up, but not bad and shoots great. I have used it to teach my boys to shoot. It forces them to stop and think between shots.

[sailsmen]

Those that you mentioned are all irresponsible acts that could have been avoided but we're not due to the irresponsible acts of others and people are hurt or killed. I'm tired of senseless acts. It's time for an eye for an eye type system. Then people might actually wake up.

Just like at work. Safety never takes a break. It's the irresponsible acts of others that do.

And what's so bizarre about the story. The idiot took the clip out correct? But he didn't take the one round out of the chamber. That's not an accident. Thats being irresponsible and could have been avoided. A bird shting on my head is an accident.

Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

So he purposely left the round in the clip so it would go off and kill the girl?

I must be missing some information you have about the story?

"Although the sheriff's office is referring to the shooting as an apparent accidental discharge of a firearm and no charges have been filed, detectives from robbery-homicide unit are conducting a death investigation."
"Deputies say Zambrana was explaining the gun's safety features and had removed the magazine when the weapon discharged."

I just can't believe you thnk when someone dies from an accident someonlse should kill the person who casued it or the person who caused it should kill themselves.

28,000 people a year are killed in car accidents. Certainly many were due to an accident casued by another who is still alive.

Have you ever been in a car accident that you caused? If the other person happened to die as a result should you also kill your self or should someonelse kill you?

[sailsmen]

Those that you mentioned are all irresponsible acts that could have been avoided but we're not due to the irresponsible acts of others and people are hurt or killed. I'm tired of senseless acts. It's time for an eye for an eye type system. Then people might actually wake up.

Just like at work. Safety never takes a break. It's the irresponsible acts of others that do.

And what's so bizarre about the story. The idiot took the clip out correct? But he didn't take the one round out of the chamber. That's not an accident. Thats being irresponsible and could have been avoided. A bird shting on my head is an accident.

Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

I am very curious about your concept of Justice. Real World example below. Please tell us who should live and who should die;
"Alabama woman is identified as victim of fatal crash on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans
Published: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM Updated: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM
By Danny Monteverde, The Times-Picayune The Times-Picayune

An Alabama woman has been identified as the victim of a fatal three-vehicle crash that also left another man critically injured on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans early Saturday.


Angela Faulk, 38, of Foley, Ala., died of head injuries she suffered in the 2:30 a.m. collision at the Crowder Boulevard exit, said John Gagliano, the Orleans Parish coroner's chief investigator.

A man was driving a Toyota Camry eastbound on I-10 when he struck a Ford Explorer in the rear. The driver of the Ford Explorer lost control, causing Faulk to be thrown from the sport-utility vehicle. Paramedics pronounced Faulk dead on the scene.

The Toyota Camry then collided with an oncoming Buick that was in the middle lane. The second collision seriously injured the driver of the Camry, who has not been identified.

The driver of the Explorer and the driver of the Buick sustained minor injuries.

The investigation is ongoing, and no charges have been filed, according to police. Fatality Investigator Anthony Pontiff is in charge of the investigation.

© 2012 NOLA.com. All rights reserved."

[CBT]

The Camry driver, lights out.


I am very curious about your concept of Justice. Real World example below. Please tell us who should live and who should die;
"Alabama woman is identified as victim of fatal crash on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans
Published: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM Updated: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM
By Danny Monteverde, The Times-Picayune The Times-Picayune

An Alabama woman has been identified as the victim of a fatal three-vehicle crash that also left another man critically injured on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans early Saturday.


Angela Faulk, 38, of Foley, Ala., died of head injuries she suffered in the 2:30 a.m. collision at the Crowder Boulevard exit, said John Gagliano, the Orleans Parish coroner's chief investigator.

A man was driving a Toyota Camry eastbound on I-10 when he struck a Ford Explorer in the rear. The driver of the Ford Explorer lost control, causing Faulk to be thrown from the sport-utility vehicle. Paramedics pronounced Faulk dead on the scene.

The Toyota Camry then collided with an oncoming Buick that was in the middle lane. The second collision seriously injured the driver of the Camry, who has not been identified.

The driver of the Explorer and the driver of the Buick sustained minor injuries.

The investigation is ongoing, and no charges have been filed, according to police. Fatality Investigator Anthony Pontiff is in charge of the investigation.

© 2012 NOLA.com. All rights reserved."

[whitey]

lol, this topic went from a choice of 9mm pistols to deaths from a car accident.:hijack::D i have a mossberg model 500 that i trap shoot from time to time. want a 9mm to target shoot with and home defense. as far as im concerned....in a hostile situation, accuracy is going to be crap because youre nervous, the more rounds your gun can fire, the faster it/you can fire, the better your chances are of taking them out, regardless of caliber....to an extent(not saying a 500 round capacity daisy red ryder is the best choice....) 9mm can penetrate the body, 17 round magazine, fires as fast as i can pull the trigger, seems to be a winner......now i just need to convince my wife that its a wise investment:bows:

[guspech750]

I am very curious about your concept of Justice. Real World example below. Please tell us who should live and who should die;
"Alabama woman is identified as victim of fatal crash on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans
Published: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM Updated: Monday, February 20, 2012, 2:31 PM
By Danny Monteverde, The Times-Picayune The Times-Picayune

An Alabama woman has been identified as the victim of a fatal three-vehicle crash that also left another man critically injured on Interstate 10 in eastern New Orleans early Saturday.


Angela Faulk, 38, of Foley, Ala., died of head injuries she suffered in the 2:30 a.m. collision at the Crowder Boulevard exit, said John Gagliano, the Orleans Parish coroner's chief investigator.

A man was driving a Toyota Camry eastbound on I-10 when he struck a Ford Explorer in the rear. The driver of the Ford Explorer lost control, causing Faulk to be thrown from the sport-utility vehicle. Paramedics pronounced Faulk dead on the scene.

The Toyota Camry then collided with an oncoming Buick that was in the middle lane. The second collision seriously injured the driver of the Camry, who has not been identified.

The driver of the Explorer and the driver of the Buick sustained minor injuries.

The investigation is ongoing, and no charges have been filed, according to police. Fatality Investigator Anthony Pontiff is in charge of the investigation.

© 2012 NOLA.com. All rights reserved."
First off. We are discussing the irresposible act of a handgun incident. Now we are going to bring up multiple off topic car wrecks. OK. Lets do it. You know. Most wrecks happen because of people not taking driving seriously. Most are fiddling around and not paying attention. So yeah. If some yahoo is fiddle f-king around and causes an wreck. Eye for an eye!! I just saw some ass hat today on my way home driving on the highway with his knees while craddling his phone in both hands texing like a mad man. So if he causes a wreck and kills an innoncent driver. You want this irresponsible ass hat sitting in jail taking up tax dollars while his lawyer justifies his BS actions and goes on scott free while a family suffers for ever? Im tired of it.

An accident is if your tire blows out and you wreck some cars from the blow out. But its not an accident if the driver knew his tires were in such bad condition and had a blow out that caused a wreck. Thats irresponsible and should be punnishable!!

Not everthing is an "accident", if it involves negligence or an irresponsible act.




Well carry on my fellow gun buying peeps.

[F8LBITEva]

I love this gun! Check out Hicock45's vids
http://youtu.be/tR9LOuL8aYI

[F8LBITEva]

thinking about getting one of these too. Ruger LC9
http://youtu.be/HeLxP6Kywzk

[THE_INTERCEPTOR]

Ugh, it's so annoying when people ruin a perfectly good guns post with their off-topic banter about how guns are bad...mmmmkay? :mad2:

[sailsmen]

lol, this topic went from a choice of 9mm pistols to deaths from a car accident.:hijack::D i have a mossberg model 500 that i trap shoot from time to time. want a 9mm to target shoot with and home defense. as far as im concerned....in a hostile situation, accuracy is going to be crap because youre nervous, the more rounds your gun can fire, the faster it/you can fire, the better your chances are of taking them out, regardless of caliber....to an extent(not saying a 500 round capacity daisy red ryder is the best choice....) 9mm can penetrate the body, 17 round magazine, fires as fast as i can pull the trigger, seems to be a winner......now i just need to convince my wife that its a wise investment:bows:

The more rounds you fire the more likely you are to accidentally kill an innocent bystander and then someone may merit out an "eye for an eye". 17 rounds in a home defense environment is wreckless endangerment and a total disregard for others.

Same can be said for not taking a gun safety course.

[Go2GuyFL]

Ugh, it's so annoying when people ruin a perfectly good guns post with their off-topic banter about how guns are bad...mmmmkay? :mad2:

Who did that? All of the posts here shed light towards preferences in selecting firearms and the responsibilities in ownership.

[Krytin]

lol, this topic went from a choice of 9mm pistols to deaths from a car accident.:hijack::D i have a mossberg model 500 that i trap shoot from time to time. want a 9mm to target shoot with and home defense. as far as im concerned....in a hostile situation, accuracy is going to be crap because youre nervous, the more rounds your gun can fire, the faster it/you can fire, the better your chances are of taking them out, regardless of caliber....to an extent(not saying a 500 round capacity daisy red ryder is the best choice....) 9mm can penetrate the body, 17 round magazine, fires as fast as i can pull the trigger, seems to be a winner......now i just need to convince my wife that its a wise investment:bows:
A little more reading before you make your final choice:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu106.htm

http://www.thegunzone.com/11april86.html

http://vault.fbi.gov/FBI%20Miami%20Shooting%204-11-86%20

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-320524.html

[Rocket Couch]

i may be selling a Beretta 9mm. its been my personal carry for about a year and a half now. very smooth firing and accurate pistol. i trained with one in the army so i bought one as soon as i could its really a magnificent gun and the action and cycle is alot smoother and less violent than a 9mm glock in my opinion.

as far as caliber i would also suggest you stick with a 9mm para bellum. military testing and evaluations studied whether a 9mm or a 45 would be a better combat pistol and the study showed while bother we adversely similar the 9mm held more rounds, (typically) was cheaper, smaller more accurate round and get this, the hollow points in the 45 and the 9 were compared on impact and penetration to show only a 1.06mm size difference upon opening up inside the target. whats that mean? almost completely identical stop and kill power. this along with the other advantages made the military side with the Beretta 9mm para bellum. just some food for thought.

also just to throw a fact out there "para bellum" comes from the Latin phrase
"si vis pacem para bellum" which means "if you seek peace, prepare for war" that's why they call it the 9mm para bellum.
its stamped on my Beretta from the factory.

[CBT]

A little more reading before you make your final choice:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu106.htm

http://www.thegunzone.com/11april86.html

http://vault.fbi.gov/FBI%20Miami%20Shooting%204-11-86%20

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-320524.html

Speaking fire fights, I forgot I got Amy some bullets recently.

250 rounds for $152.50, is nice yes? Yeeeeeeeessssss.

[Krytin]

Speaking fire fights, I forgot I got Amy some bullets recently.

250 rounds for $152.50, is nice yes? Yeeeeeeeessssss.


There you go!
Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight! LOL

[CBT]

There you go!
Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight! LOL

That's what Amy tells me.......:( :alone:
So I told her if we go All Mr. and Mrs. Smith on each other I will just hide behind the washer and dryer since she seems to have no clue where the hell they are. :D

[martyo]

That's what Amy tells me.......:( :alone:
So I told her if we go All Mr. and Mrs. Smith on each other I will just hide behind the washer and dryer since she seems to have no clue where the hell they are. :D

You make me laugh.

[CBT]

You make me laugh.

Yeah it didn't go over too well here, lol. :rolleyes:

[martyo]

Yeah it didn't go over too well here, lol. :rolleyes:

Listen, I plan on getting my ass kicked by my wife tonight, so you get no sympathy from me.

[SC Cheesehead]

Listen, I plan on getting my ass kicked by my wife tonight, so you get no sympathy from me.

Uh-oh, what'd you buy now, Marty?
;)

[CBT]

Listen, I plan on getting my ass kicked by my wife tonight, so you get no sympathy from me.


Uh-oh, what'd you buy now, Marty?
;)

Yeah Rex he sounded specific didn't he? It's always worse when you know in advance. Time moves slower, gives you time to think about what you did wrong and how not to get caught next time, lol.

[MM2004]

That's what Amy tells me.......:( :alone:
So I told her if we go All Mr. and Mrs. Smith on each other I will just hide behind the washer and dryer since she seems to have no clue where the hell they are. :D


You make me laugh.

You should hang out with Casey for a weekend...

Swears like a Sailor.
Drinks like a fish.
Smokes like a chimney.
Constant dropping of the "F-Bomb".
Habitual man-hugging.
Never-ending ass grabbing and reach-arounds.
Wears his PJ's in public.
And not once, touched a female.

:D

Mike.

[CBT]

You left out loves disco!

[guspech750]

The more rounds you fire the more likely you are to accidentally kill an innocent bystander and then someone may merit out an "eye for an eye". 17 rounds in a home defense environment is wreckless endangerment and a total disregard for others.

Same can be said for not taking a gun safety course.

What ever Mr. copy and paste. It's obvious you do not understand the difference between being negligent/irresponsible and a real accident. According to you, You just group it altogether and everything is an accident, no one is held accountable and we all live happily ever after.

And yes. I think everyone who wants to own a firearm should take a safety class. If not. That is being irresponsible.

Sorry for off topic post peeps.
No more from me here.


Sent from my iPhone
Eaton Swap + 4.10's = Wreeeeeeeeeedom!!

[whitey]

The more rounds you fire the more likely you are to accidentally kill an innocent bystander and then someone may merit out an "eye for an eye". 17 rounds in a home defense environment is wreckless endangerment and a total disregard for others.

Same can be said for not taking a gun safety course.

think outside the box.....lets say its 3 armed criminals, 2 of them eat 6 rounds, the last guy got lucky and only ate 5....gun control is hitting your target. ive never taken a gun safety course, i also never had to buy any common sense, my father taught me well.

[Go2GuyFL]

Interesting point of view ...
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/07/robert-farago/how-many-bullets-do-you-need-in-your-home-defense-handgun/

[Ozark Marauder]

There is nothing more important than having a great teacher,


= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=)AOpnd-ixvc8=


http://www.mattcanovi.com/