So I failed my NJ inspection....

[rossv1]

Not for tinted windows or any other physical modifications, but I'm guessing because it was my Lidio tune. Testing was going fine until they asked my if I had my battery jumped recently. I said no and they proceeded to slap the little red sticker onto my window. They said their computer couldn't read any of my emissions equipment. Stuff like the EGR, O2 sensors, catalytic converters, Evaporation System, etc. all came up as "unsupported". So my question is this, I've read that in order to pass you have to take the tune off, drive 100-200 miles, then get it reinspected and all is good, am I correct?

[babbage]

Hmm, mine passed with a tune installed. Ask lido if any of that is shut off in your tune.

[capt512]

New battery? I know after the battery goes dead or replaced sometimes you have to drive the car for a while for everything to come back online...I wouldn't think a tune would have anything to do with that...but don't know for sure... however if you recently uploaded the tune then again you would have to drive the car for a while...or if you've had codes checked?

[mtenderenda]

I had the same exact problem. The tune is locked down. I went to a tuner that created a new tune for my car. I explained exactly what happened. He knew exactly what to do.

[BODYMAN]

Yep Load factory tune drive it around 150 miles give it 4-5 days to relearn everything and it should pass just fine as long as ur not running major mods! like a power adder or something.

[Mr. Man]

Had the same thing last week. Everything unsupported. We had a new battery put in so I believe that's the issue. Driving it for a week or so before going back.

Red sticker will give you 45 days to fix the car.

[rossv1]

thanks everyone. i don't have any major power adders as shown in my signature. battery has been in the car since a little over two years ago, and was disconnected twice over the last 4 months to clean the terminals and the maf. im going to take the tune off first since that i have to drive back home to cape may so that will give the miles i need to relearn the factory tune. i will try again on Saturday and if that doesn't work ill be calling lidio Monday.

[BODYMAN]

thanks everyone. i don't have any major power adders as shown in my signature. battery has been in the car since a little over two years ago, and was disconnected twice over the last 4 months to clean the terminals and the maf. im going to take the tune off first since that i have to drive back home to cape may so that will give the miles i need to relearn the factory tune. i will try again on Saturday and if that doesn't work ill be calling lidio Monday.

That should do it for ya Ross! Id be suprised if it fails after that.

[mtenderenda]

I tried the process of driving the car for a week. It didn't work for me.
It kept failing for me, i got myself a new tune.
Strongly recommend you start looking for a tuner.

[wizkiddrummer]

Inspection..?? What's that?? :P

[SC Cheesehead]

inspection..?? What's that?? :p

+1
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[jwibbity]

inspection..?? What's that?? :p

.............+2

[tbone]

I have a Zack tune and it passed twice no problem. You have to go over a certain speed for a certain time to reset the computer, so in town driving won't do it. Take it on the highway.

[Pat]

Look up on the internet "Ford driving cycle". Then, put the stock tune back in and comply with FDC requirements.

[camelgrundle]

you could do all that or slip the guy a 20! haha. get a mechanic friend.

[Richy04]

I live in NJ, they recently upgraded their software to detect all sensor anomolies in the vehicle. Mine popped too back in 2010, due again this summer. The guy came running over saying "dude your car is messed up bad" he showed me the printout and it was 3 feet long with errors. Mind you I passed two years before. I flashed it back,waited three days and all was well. Nj sucks..

[EMAS]

If it says "unsupported" on any of the main tests it's not going to pass no matter how much you drive it that means those functions have been turned off in the tune. If it says "uncompleted" that means the conditions to run those monitors haven't been met and they haven't been run and driving it in the correct conditions to make it run all the tests will make it pass, as long as the tests were passed.

[BUCKWHEAT]

I had the same exact problem. The tune is locked down. I went to a tuner that created a new tune for my car. I explained exactly what happened. He knew exactly what to do.

Yup, me too. I now have the 'emissions tune' in the hand-held. Don't have to drive 200 or 300 miles, just enough to reset the codes. Keep 1/4 to 3/4 tank of gas thru the resetting process.

[wickedmerc]

Not for tinted windows or any other physical modifications, but I'm guessing because it was my Lidio tune. Testing was going fine until they asked my if I had my battery jumped recently. I said no and they proceeded to slap the little red sticker onto my window. They said their computer couldn't read any of my emissions equipment. Stuff like the EGR, O2 sensors, catalytic converters, Evaporation System, etc. all came up as "unsupported". So my question is this, I've read that in order to pass you have to take the tune off, drive 100-200 miles, then get it reinspected and all is good, am I correct?

I had my MM fail NJ inspection with 11 "unsupported" sensors. My mechanic was freakin' out until I told him about the tune in the car. He was gonna kill me! From him and through here, I learned I needed to return the tune back to stock and drive it around for 50-100 miles. Another week, about 100 mjles and ANOTHER $49, it passed.
My guy on 516 in Old Bridge is pretty good. He LOVES my car. Good luck bro!

[rossv1]

UPDATE.....

Drove 360 miles, mostly highway since I had to go back home to South Jersey for a couple of days. This is the first time I've run the car without my tune since the summer of 2010, and boy does it suck without it. Came back up last night and got it reinspected today and passed with flying colors. Pulled about 100 feet outside the inspection station in Edison and put the Lidio tune right back on.

[tbone]

So the only difference was the highway time you put in, right?

[Ms. Denmark]

So the only difference was the highway time you put in, right? I think he had to revert to his stock tune first, then drive it.

[tbone]

I think he had to revert to his stock tune first, then drive it.

I believe he did, and it still would not pass. So I advised to put in highway miles after installing the stock tune since it is required to reset the computer.

[wickedmerc]

UPDATE.....

Drove 360 miles, mostly highway since I had to go back home to South Jersey for a couple of days. This is the first time I've run the car without my tune since the summer of 2010, and boy does it suck without it. Came back up last night and got it reinspected today and passed with flying colors. Pulled about 100 feet outside the inspection station in Edison and put the Lidio tune right back on.

Cool man! :cool:
I agree, stock tune blows. Glad it worked out.

[Ms. Denmark]

I believe he did, and it still would not pass. So I advised to put in highway miles after installing the stock tune since it is required to reset the computer.
Gotcha :cool:

[rossv1]

Yeah pretty much all highway miles. Did about 370 miles total on the factory tune which should've been more than enough.

[jerrym3]

I often wondered why cars didn't come right out of the factory with super tunes. After all, it's all software, and I'm sure that Ford could easily eqal any software from an independent software/tuning company at less cost.

Now I think I know why.

Clean air rules and regulations.

[tbone]

I often wondered why cars didn't come right out of the factory with super tunes. After all, it's all software, and I'm sure that Ford could easily eqal any software from an independent software/tuning company at less cost.

Now I think I know why.

Clean air rules and regulations.

Fleet mile requirements. Gas guzzler tax. EPA ridiculousness. Government bureaucrats. California liberals.

[mtenderenda]

Glad it worked out for you :banana2:
I can't get back to stock, i have a supercharger.
Once you have a supecharger you have to get a new tune.
The Lidio tune is locked down for the supercharger too.
I went all out going thru the process of driving the car thru the cycles..
I just gave that up, went to a tuner in my area.
Showed him what is going on, he knew exactly what to do...
I passed with his tune, i still have the tune on the car making 528HP at the flywheel :burnout:

[Mr. Man]

Well just tried the second attempt at NJ and failed again. Took it over to Ford to see if they had any ideas. They checked it out and said the tune was not factory. We have a Zack tune and the State of NJ has finally caught up to his wizardry. It passed three time in the past with Zacks tune. So it looks like to pass now you will definitely need a factory tune with all parameters turned on.

Guess I'll have to flash a new factory tune into the car for dopey NJ as I don't have a tuner for it. (Zack did his magic with a laptop.) Then Ms. D will have to get used to driving the car with a Lidio tune. PITA NJ.

[Odinson]

Lets suppose NY is next for this goofiness. If you have a supercharger, can't you just disconnect the supercharger belt and reflash with the stock tune? Will air slurp past the S/C screw or does it have to be turning?

I don't lost any sensors during the tuning process BTW.

Oh wait just read this thread...

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68853

Well any gas station can to an inspection in NY. Code diagnosis at that level seems over the top for this setup. Let's hope were safe for a while.

[RacerX]

Just so you guys know, some EGR and extra O2 stuff is turned off in a lot of the aftermarket tunes. I found this out last summer because the emissions systems in NH were upgraded. If there is ONE unsupported or turned off item, it will pass, but, any more than that and it will fail. Our emissions systems are tied directly to the state systems now so there is NO way around it, but, to either put back the original tune or rebuild another custom tune with the items turned back on. :beer:

[Ms. Denmark]

Bye bye Zack tune. :depress: :bigcry: It was great while it lasted..... :alone: But I will look forward to a Lidio tune. :cool:

[WhatsUpDOHC]

I'm due in August. I'm going to restore the stock tune for a tank of gas and get her inspected.

Then, back to the Lidio tune and................

Rear CAT deletes, TBD muffler and 4", resonator delete Meg's Tips!!!!

Happy Birthday to ME!

Mark

[RacerX]

Bye bye Zack tune. :depress: :bigcry: It was great while it lasted..... :alone: But I will look forward to a Lidio tune. :cool:
You can use both. Room for three in the SCT XCal. One for inspections, one for when you're 50ft away from the station and have a new sticker.

[Ms. Denmark]

I don't have a tuner or a stock tune. I was impetuous. I do that sometimes. Mr. Man cringes...

[wickedmerc]

I'm due in August. I'm going to restore the stock tune for a tank of gas and get her inspected.

That's a good idea man. Give yourself at least 50-70 miles of city & highway driving after return to stock and you should be fine. More mods huh? Sounds like someone's been bit, big-time!!

Looks like NJ is tightening the noose on fun driving. I understand the machines used for ECM check are tamper-proof and tied into the state, so it's gotta be legit. I was surprised to hear there were cars still passing NJ inspection with their "tune" in place. But it sounds like those days are numbered.

I just had to have my '72 Oldsmobile pass emissions in NJ (???). That was no easy task! I think I've driven the car about 700 miles in 2 years....brilliant! Next stop, QQ plates.

[Chevyguy]

My 2001 Vic had a circa 2004 SCT chip tune from the one who shall not be named with the initials DR. I passed Mass Emissions from 2005 to 2009 with no problems. 2010 came around and I failed due to all the monitors being "Unsupported" They told me I had to go to a Motorist Assistant Center to "Inspect my PCM" So... since I had a Marauder MAF with the tune I got a Stock 70MM lid and MAF, had to cut the tabs a bit to fit the Marauder lower airbox. Removed the chip and back to stock. Then I got a DPFE code.. (new DPFE and all was well) so apparently the Chip turned off the MIL, in fact even unplugging stuff would not set any codes. So this is something the OBD-II scan may not approve of. Expect more state inspections to start finding OBD tampering as this new scanner/software will end up spreading about.

My Lidio tune passed this year even though a few Unsupported messages came up. The Maurauder Will set a code with the tune, it popped a fuel pressure code as I pulled the fuel pump relay to upload the tune the first time like the manual says to do. I got my SCT X cal 3 and tune summer 2011 so maybe Lidio has updated his tune

[Ms. Denmark]

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[jerrym3]

Way back in the 60's, my uncle (RIP) was in charge of a NJ inspection station in Union City, NJ.

The pieces of junk that I drove through inspection and still "passed"..........

Thanks, uncle Lenny.

[Mr. Man]

Just took the SB over to a buddy of mine that has a fix-it shop and he plugged in his reader. On the first cycle through everything came up "unsupported" just like on the NJ inspection computer but when he cycled through again everything came up "complete". He suggested taking it to a private inspection place and see what they think.
Anyone have any thoughts about this?

[fastblackmerc]

Way back in the 60's, my uncle (RIP) was in charge of a NJ inspection station in Union City, NJ.

The pieces of junk that I drove through inspection and still "passed"..........

Thanks, uncle Lenny.

Also in N.J..... My father used to get the "shop" truck to pass by leaving a cold 6-pack of beer on the front seat..... truck went in with the 6-pack came out minus the 6-pack but with a passing sticker on the windshield.

[fastblackmerc]

Just took the SB over to a buddy of mine that has a fix-it shop and he plugged in his reader. On the first cycle through everything came up "unsupported" just like on the NJ inspection computer but when he cycled through again everything came up "complete". He suggested taking it to a private inspection place and see what they think.
Anyone have any thoughts about this?

Ask them to do the same thing at the inspection station.

[RacerX]

Also in N.J..... My father used to get the "shop" truck to pass by leaving a cold 6-pack of beer on the front seat..... truck went in with the 6-pack came out minus the 6-pack but with a passing sticker on the windshield.
Probably take two twenties, a ten and a fatty to git er dun now! :D

Eric, there has to be something else turned off in the tune like O2 warmers or something dum.

[Mr. Man]

Going to take it to my friends friend who has a private inspection machine and see if I can get a sticker. Cost me a few bucks but I figure at this point 50-60 bucks is cheaper than 400 for a tuner + the 75 for the factory reflash. Then I get two years to think about the next move. I'll keep ya'll posted.

[FordNut]

If you get a tune and tuner, when you load the tune into the PCM the tune currently in the PCM will be uploaded to the tuner as the "stock" tune and the performance tune will be downloaded to the PCM. The canned SCT performance tune just adds a little timing and leaves all the sensors active so just about any SCT dealer ought to be able to give you that. Drive it around so everything cycles to the ready state and get inspected. Then convert the tune back to "stock" and you'll be back where you are now.

[wickedmerc]

Just took the SB over to a buddy of mine that has a fix-it shop and he plugged in his reader. On the first cycle through everything came up "unsupported" just like on the NJ inspection computer but when he cycled through again everything came up "complete". He suggested taking it to a private inspection place and see what they think.
Anyone have any thoughts about this?

I fear you will have the same problem. I brought mine to a local shop. When all the items came up "unsupported", they thought something was wrong with their machine. After explaining about the tune, they were not very happy.
Good luck!

[Mr. Man]

Well a positive ending to the saga. :)

Went to the private inspection place and the guy used his portable OBDII reader and everything was hunky-dory. He then proceeded to plug in the official NJ Inspection machine and everything came up "Unsupported". He says to himself 'that shouldn't happen' so he tries again with the same result. He farts around a little bit more and still gets 'Unsupported'. So he says he has one more trick up his sleeve and he tries a tailpipe sniff test. 10 minutes of syncing up the machine and he's ready. He shoved a probe up the Marauders wazoo and runs the test. Bingo " Pass" The print out of the exhaust gases that are measured are so negligible that he comments " that's one of the best results he's seen in some time.

So long story short the SB has a passing sticker on it and we are good to go till late 2013.:banana:

I'm thinking there may be a glitch with the States software. Can't think of any reason why a portable would say everything is good but the States machine says 'no go'. Stupid State :down:

Forgot to mention Ms.D will be thrilled to know her Zack tune will live on for a while longer.:banana:

[CBT]

They could seriously simplify the tests:

Did the vehicle arrive under its own power?
Did it stop under its own power once it got there?
Do headlights and tail lights work?
Do they work at the same time?
Does it have a complete windshield?
Did your eyes water from exhaust fumes?

If the answer is YES to any 5 of those 6, pass.

[Mr. Man]

They could seriously simplify the tests:

Did the vehicle arrive under its own power?
Did it stop under its own power once it got there?
Do headlights and tail lights work?
Do they work at the same time?
Does it have a complete windshield?
Did your eyes water from exhaust fumes?

If the answer is YES to any 5 of those 6, pass.Be nice but NJ doesn't care about any of those things. All they care about now-a-days is emissions.

[jerrym3]

Years (decades) ago, my buddy's 54 Olds failed NJ inspection because the side window was cracked in a lot of places.

He went home, kicked out the window, went back, and passed.

[Mr. Man]

Years (decades) ago, my buddy's 54 Olds failed NJ inspection because the side window was cracked in a lot of places.

He went home, kicked out the window, went back, and passed.

My dad told me a story about when he had his TR3 he went to the inspection station near Clifton and the guy failed him for a taillight he said was to pink. So my dad goes to the auto parts store and buys a new one and installs it and goes back the same day. The guy remembers my dad and calls him a wiseass for trying to re-pass the same day. My dad pulls out his receipt for the new taillight and says I just replaced it. The guy still wouldn't pass it so my dad says he wants to speak to the supervisor. The supervisor looks at the taillight and says what's wrong with it? My dad says the other guy says the old one (which he had with him) is to pink so I bought another one and the guy still refuses to pass me. Supervisor slaps a new sticker on the car and tells the original inspector to wait in the office. My dad just figured the guy hated foreign cars and failed them for stupid stuff. Dad said the next year that guy wasn't working there any more.

[Ms. Denmark]

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[jerrym3]

I put a factory wing (with a brake light) on my 94 TBird. Failed NJ inspection because the brake light in the rear window was still functional.

Went home, popped the bulb in the window, went back and passed.

Really, really dumb.

My LS failed because of the small Ford decal oval down low on the windshield, passenger side. Went to the reinspection line, and a guy working there tried to scrape it off.

Couldn't get it off cleanly, so he went inside, came out, and passed me.

Some folks still have common sense.

[RacerX]

Update: Tunes that were created with older SCT base tune files have the OBDII test switch turned off. This will give you Catalyst, Evap, O2, EGR, etc. non support codes and will cause a state vehicle inspection failure in some states. You can either have an SCT dealer/calibrator turn it back on or if you have SCT PRP, you can:

Open the file you are working on:
Hit File/Partial/Save all. Save it as a value file.
Then open a new tune file.
Hit Edit/Select All Values.
Uncheck the OBDII category, leaving everything else checked.
Then Load selected values, open the value file you saved.
Continue tuning at will.

[Ms. Denmark]

Update: Tunes that were created with older SCT base tune files have the OBDII test switch turned off. This will give you Catalyst, Evap, O2, EGR, etc. non support codes and will cause a state vehicle inspection failure in some states. You can either have an SCT dealer/calibrator turn it back on or if you have SCT PRP, you can:

Open the file you are working on:
Hit File/Partial/Save all. Save it as a value file.
Then open a new tune file.
Hit Edit/Select All Values.
Uncheck the OBDII category, leaving everything else checked.
Then Load selected values, open the value file you saved.
Continue tuning at will. Good info! Thanks Bill!

[Ozark Marauder]

They could seriously simplify the tests:

Did the vehicle arrive under its own power?
Did it stop under its own power once it got there?
Do headlights and tail lights work?
Do they work at the same time?
Does it have a complete windshield?
Did your eyes water from exhaust fumes?

If the answer is YES to any 5 of those 6, pass.

Add these and you have a Missouri Inspection :lol:

Do the wipers work?
Do the blinkers work?

OZ

[Mr. Man]

I put a factory wing (with a brake light) on my 94 TBird. Failed NJ inspection because the brake light in the rear window was still functional.

Went home, popped the bulb in the window, went back and passed.

Really, really dumb.

My LS failed because of the small Ford decal oval down low on the windshield, passenger side. Went to the reinspection line, and a guy working there tried to scrape it off.

Couldn't get it off cleanly, so he went inside, came out, and passed me.

Some folks still have common sense.
You mean they failed you because you had to many brake lites?:shake:

[RF Overlord]

Remember, state employees are generally incapable of independent or rational thought. Ever dealt with the RMV?

Years ago, Massachusetts state highway vehicles were orange with black fenders. The old joke was: "What's black and orange and sleeps three? A state truck."

[Paul T. Casey]

Just curious, what if you didn't get an inspection sticker? I know a guy who has never had one. He gets pulled over about once every 6 years, so he figures the $75 ticket once is cheaper than a RI inspection every 2 years. :rolleyes:

[Bigdogjim]

Here in the great State of New Jersey the fine is alot higher! Plus they may or may not order a Court date:mad:

I know in Philadelphia, Pa. they will tow your vehicle away.

[RF Overlord]

I know in Philadelphia, Pa. they will tow your vehicle away.Jim, you've been watching "Parking Wars" too long. :)

[Triple Threat]

Just curious, what if you didn't get an inspection sticker? I know a guy who has never had one. He gets pulled over about once every 6 years, so he figures the $75 ticket once is cheaper than a RI inspection every 2 years. :rolleyes:
In N.Y.if the car is not inspected you can not get a registration.

[1stMerc]

Everyday you'd have to ask yourself a question...Do i feel lucky today...well do ya p*nk?