Any other entrepreneurs/business owners out there?

[MrBluGruv]

Is it not crazy all the hoops one has to jump through just to start a small business?


:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:


And then everyone (government, news, general public, etc.) all sit and wonder why there are never any new jobs.


SHEESH! :rolleyes:


Trying to get the ball rolling on turning my hobby into a proper business has been like trying to navigate a minefield with clown shoes on. :help:

[Shaijack]

It only took a year to open my Bakery. It is like they don't want anyone to open new businesses. The inspectors were azzes. Everyone wanted a payoff.

[Haggis]

It only took a year to open my Bakery. It is like they don't want anyone to open new businesses. The inspectors were azzes. Everyone wanted a payoff.

That's why I don't let the Feds know about my still, they would want a cut of the action.

[martyo]

Lot's of experience with it.

Luckily I play an attorney on TV so at least I have that going for me.

Wait until you have to shell out taxes and all of the other costs of operating a business.

[Curless]

Been in business now for 12 years this month...every time I turn around there is someone who wants $$$. They certainly don't make it easy or cheap! As for our wonderful Pres saying that he helped me....he can def go F himself!

[vkirkend]

Most of the costs for starting and running a business are associated with city/state fees. Don't blame that on the President.....



Been in business now for 12 years this month...every time I turn around there is someone who wants $$$. They certainly don't make it easy or cheap! As for our wonderful Pres saying that he helped me....he can def go F himself!

[kernie]

Most of the costs for starting and running a business are associated with city/state fees. Don't blame that on the President.....


Oh now, it's just folks showing their love.

Let's show Mitt some love too, how about a new thread for him. We could call it,

'Mr. Bean goes global' or 'How to seduce a Isreali billionaire'

:D

[Haggis]

Oh now, it's just folks showing their love.

Let's show Mitt some love too, how about a new thread for him. We could call it,

'Mr. Bean goes global' or 'How to seduce a Isreali billionaire'

:D

Is that Isreali billionaire a good looking Female?

[kernie]

Is that Isreali billionaire a good looking Female?


Well no, i went to look for pics but i think it was Helen Thomas, they must have their pics mixed up.

;)

[Haggis]

Well no, i went to look for pics but i think it was Helen Thomas, they must have their pics mixed up.

;)

How about Bar Refaeli, she'll do.

[kernie]

How about Bar Refaeli, she'll do.


Well i found her pic, that i would understand!

:beer:

[MMBLUE]

O boy, you've awakened the Political monsters again.:flamer:

[kernie]

O boy, you've awakened the Political monsters again.:flamer:


If you mean me then no, i'm making it quiet, just mention the name Romney...

:D

[sailsmen]

I just activiated my 7th company in an industry where I have over 30 years experience. Point being I know what I am doing.
Before opening I had to hire a CPA, a Tax CPA, a Corp atty, a Tax atty, consult a safety firm, consult an HR and join an industry trade group all for the sole purpose to get in Gov't compliance.
With over 300,000 Federal Laws I am not in compliance, no one is.
A law Dowd Frank was passed 2 years ago. No one, not the Fed, the State, my trade group, my atty or my peers in the industry can tell me how to comply.
If I piss off a politician or gov't worker they can shut me down, just like they can shut anyone down.

Below are examples of Gov't gone wild?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-local-editorial-fauquier-county-steps-over-the-line/article/2503450

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mayor_knows_breast_WqU1iYRQvwb EkDuvn0vb1H

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/03/mother-fined-daughter-save-endangered-woodpecker_n_917298.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/federal-gov-t-swat-team-breaks-down-man-s-door-over-student-loan
http://news.opb.org/article/rainwater_collection_case_lead s_to_jail_sentence_fine/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/13/mopping-up-the-raw-milk-mob/?page=all
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/03/the-inexplicable-war-on-lemonade-stands/
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/post_485.html
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/louisianas_law_books_plump_up. html#incart_river_default

[sailsmen]

40,000 New Laws took effect, Be Carefull!


msnbc.com staff and news service reports

updated 12/31/2011 10:12:54 AM ET

About 40,000 state laws taking effect at the start of the new year will change rules about getting abortions in New Hampshire, learning about gays and lesbians in California, getting jobs in Alabama and even driving golf carts in Georgia.

Several federal rules change with the new year, too, including a Social Security increase amounting to $450 a year for the average recipients and stiff fines up to $2,700 per offense for truckers and bus drivers caught using hand-held cellphones while driving.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45819570.../#.Tv-fd1bURn8




Grossman Washington Tiimes - "The Lacey Act hangs like the sword of Damocles over the heads of American businesses. In

addition to the 4,500 or so criminal offenses in federal law, plus as many as 300,000 more contained

in federal regulations, businesses are expected to comply with the laws of nearly 200 foreign

countries every time they purchase or take possession of any product from a foreign source —

whether or not they imported it themselves."

[sailsmen]

Federal Offenses: As U.S. Federal Criminal Laws Proliferate, More Are Ensnared - WSJ.com

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U.S. NEWS




Updated July 24, 2011, 11:00 a.m. ET

FEDERAL OFFENSES

Many Failed Efforts to Count Nation's

Federal Criminal Laws

On the Wrong Side of the Law

By



GARY FIELDS and JOHN R. EMSHWILLER

Eddie Leroy Anderson of Craigmont, Idaho, is a retired logger, a former science teacher and now a federal criminal

thanks to his arrowhead-collecting hobby.

In 2009, Mr. Anderson loaned his son some tools to dig for

arrowheads near a favorite campground of theirs. Unfortunately, they were on federal land. Authorities "notified

me to get a lawyer and a damn good one," Mr. Anderson recalls.

There is no evidence the Andersons intended to break the law, or even knew the law existed, according to court

records and interviews. But the law, the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979, doesn't require criminal

intent and makes it a felony punishable by up to two years in prison to attempt to take artifacts off federal land

without a permit.

Faced with that reality, the two men, who didn't find arrowheads

that day, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and got a year's

probation and a $1,500 penalty each. "We kind of wonder why it

got took to the level that it did," says Mr. Anderson, 68 years old.

Wendy Olson, the U.S. Attorney for Idaho, said the men were on an archeological site that was 13,000 years old.

"Folks do need to pay attention to where they are," she said.

The Andersons are two of the hundreds of thousands of Americans to be charged and convicted in recent decades

under federal criminal laws—as opposed to state or local laws—as the federal justice system has dramatically

expanded its authority and reach.

As federal criminal statutes have ballooned, it has become increasingly easy for Americans to end up on the wrong

side of the law. Many of the new federal laws also set a lower bar for conviction than in the past: Prosecutors don't

necessarily need to show that the defendant had criminal intent.

These factors are contributing to some unusual applications of

justice. Father-and-son arrowhead lovers can't argue they made an

innocent mistake. A lobster importer is convicted in the U.S. for

violating a Honduran law that the Honduran government

disavowed. A Pennsylvanian who injured her husband's lover

doesn't face state criminal charges—instead, she faces federal

charges tied to an international arms-control treaty.

As Criminal Laws Proliferate, More Are Ensnared

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Federal Offenses: As U.S. Federal Criminal Laws Proliferate, More Are Ensnared - WSJ.com

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See a breakdown of the rise of federal

sentences by the type of offense.

An Act for the Punishment of

Crimes

The first federal criminal statute, signed into

law on April 30, 1790, includes only a handful

of offenses: treason, counterfeiting, piracy,

and murder, maiming and robbery in federal

jurisdictions. It fit on to two sheets of

parchment, each around 27 inches by 22

inches, and was handwritten in iron gall ink.

The law is currently kept in a vault in the

National Archives in Washington, D.C. See a

digital copy, or



click here to read the text.

.

The U.S. Constitution mentions three federal crimes by citizens:

treason, piracy and counterfeiting. By the turn of the 20th century,

the number of criminal statutes numbered in the dozens. Today,

there are an estimated 4,500 crimes in federal statutes, according

to a 2008 study by retired Louisiana State University law professor

John Baker.

There are also thousands of regulations that carry criminal

penalties. Some laws are so complex, scholars debate whether they

represent one offense, or scores of offenses.

Counting them is impossible. The Justice Department spent two

years trying in the 1980s, but produced only an estimate: 3,000

federal criminal offenses.

The American Bar Association tried in the late 1990s, but

concluded only that the number was likely much higher than

3,000. The ABA's report said "the amount of individual citizen

behavior now potentially subject to federal criminal control has

increased in astonishing proportions in the last few decades."

A Justice spokeswoman said there was no quantifiable number.

Criminal statutes are sprinkled throughout some 27,000 pages of

the federal code.

There are many reasons for the rising tide of laws. It's partly due to

lawmakers responding to hot-button issues—environmental

messes, financial machinations, child kidnappings, consumer

protection—with calls for federal criminal penalties. Federal

regulations can also carry the force of federal criminal law, adding

to the legal complexity.

With the growing number of federal crimes, the number of people sentenced to federal prison has risen nearly

threefold over the past 30 years to 83,000 annually. The U.S. population grew only about 36% in that period. The

total federal prison population, over 200,000, grew more than eightfold—twice the growth rate of the state prison

population, now at 2 million, according the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics

Tougher federal drug laws account for about 30% of people sentenced, a decline from over 40% two decades ago.

The proportion of people sentenced for most other crimes, such as firearms possession, fraud and other nonviolent

offenses, has doubled in the past 20 years.

The growth in federal law has produced benefits. Federal legislation was indispensable in winning civil rights for

African-Americans. Some of the new laws, including those tackling political corruption and violent crimes, are

relatively noncontroversial and address significant problems. Plenty of convicts deserve the punishment they get.

Roscoe Howard, the former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, argues that the system "isn't broken."

Congress, he says, took its cue over the decades from a public less tolerant of certain behaviors. Current law

provides a range of options to protect society, he says. "It would be horrible if they started repealing laws......

[kernie]

That's not fair sailsmen!

Romney! Romney!

[Spectragod]

That's not fair sailsmen!

Romney! Romney!

No clue why you would even care, you don't live in the U.S. You do nothing more than stir the pot.

[tbone]

No clue why you would even care, you don't live in the U.S. You do nothing more than stir the pot.

Dead on.:puke:

[kernie]

First the deflectors, now the shushers, lol.

Romney.

[tbone]

Funny, but I don't remember any help or encouragement from Oblamer or the government when I set up my business, or help with loans for equipment, advertising, or anything else. The carpenters I hire are good at pounding nails, but frankly, most could not run a lemonade stand, let alone close a large sum deal with a customer and see it completed on time, within budget and with a high standard of quality. Obummer has never held a private sector job in his liife, so I'm not surprised at his complete and total ignorance on the subject of entrepreneurism. Sad really.

http://www.tscustomconstruction.com/

[Haggis]

...You do nothing more than stir the pot.

But, he is so good at it. :lol:

[kernie]

Hey i'm not an imbecile anymore! I must be growing on t-bone, he likes me now!





But, he is so good at it. :lol:

Well i don't exactly do it for free, you see i get this phone...

:beatnik:


Oops, almost forgot,

Romney.

[MrBluGruv]

It's the taxes that I'm worried about the most. Everything else I'm doing is fairly straightforward.

All I'm looking to do is have an online storefront to sell the software that I make to the masses, and distribute that software in a completely digital format. Texas views digital content as tangible content, so I have to keep tabs (somehow) on sales tax for whichever customers I have in Texas. Not only is there state sales tax, but also county sales tax for the county I live in, but I don't live in any city limits so I just fall under county jurisdiction for now. I won't even have employees.

It's still a nightmare digging through pages and pages of legal language and trying to figure out what I have to get sorted to do this properly.

I'll be talking with my local small business association and my accountant next week hopefully. As intimidating as this all is, I feel like I'd rather tough it out and get this thing going than walk away out of frustration; might be a pride thing, but I think I'm above and beyond the type of people that legislated all this crap to try to keep me from being a business owner.

[tbone]

Hey i'm not an imbecile anymore! I must be growing on t-bone, he likes me now!






Well i don't exactly do it for free, you see i get this phone...

:beatnik:


Oops, almost forgot,

Romney.

I knew you were lurking in the shadows with your online presence monitor turned off. You know how I feel about your crap. I just decided to try and be civil......You're not worth the aggravation.

[kernie]

It's the taxes that I'm worried about the most. Everything else I'm doing is fairly straightforward.

All I'm looking to do is have an online storefront to sell the software that I make to the masses, and distribute that software in a completely digital format. Texas views digital content as tangible content, so I have to keep tabs (somehow) on sales tax for whichever customers I have in Texas. Not only is there state sales tax, but also county sales tax for the county I live in, but I don't live in any city limits so I just fall under county jurisdiction for now. I won't even have employees.

It's still a nightmare digging through pages and pages of legal language and trying to figure out what I have to get sorted to do this properly.

I'll be talking with my local small business association and my accountant next week hopefully. As intimidating as this all is, I feel like I'd rather tough it out and get this thing going than walk away out of frustration; might be a pride thing, but I think I'm above and beyond the type of people that legislated all this crap to try to keep me from being a business owner.


Good luck getting everything sorted out and up and running.

:beer:

[MrBluGruv]

Good luck getting everything sorted out and up and running.

:beer:


Thanks man. :beer:

The good news for me is that I already have an established online presence for the software that I create, it's just that up until now I've given all of my software away for free, sort of a "love of the craft" kind of thing. Just gotta make sure I don't upset Uncle Sam. :help:

[Curless]

Most of the costs for starting and running a business are associated with city/state fees. Don't blame that on the President.....

Oh I don't blame him for our local taxes, but I can certainly blame him for my shops lack of business due to the economy! He's a flippin idiot! Obama Care, Fuel prices (if you really think that he does not turn the other cheek on this your blind, deaf, and drink way too much kool aid), unemployment extensions, Obama Phones, free internet, low income / subsidized housing.... the list goes on and on....all of these things contribute to the hole in the bottom line of my business, all of the free programs out there that the blood sucking leaches of society take advantage of. You know, the programs we people who have jobs, provide jobs, pay property taxes, income taxes, gas taxes, etc etc pay for! He did not start them all but he has added to them big time.

O.K., enough political soap box screaming....how's everyone's MM doing????

[kernie]

Oh I don't blame him for our local taxes, but I can certainly blame him for my shops lack of business due to the economy! He's a flippin idiot! Obama Care, Fuel prices (if you really think that he does not turn the other cheek on this your blind, deaf, and drink way too much kool aid), unemployment extensions, Obama Phones, free internet, low income / subsidized housing.... the list goes on and on....all of these things contribute to the hole in the bottom line of my business, all of the free programs out there that the blood sucking leaches of society take advantage of. You know, the programs we people who have jobs, provide jobs, pay property taxes, income taxes, gas taxes, etc etc pay for! He did not start them all but he has added to them big time.

O.K., enough political soap box screaming....how's everyone's MM doing????


So... who you gonna vote for?


Ha! finally got someone who will say the name Ronmey! Ha Ha!

[kernie]

But, he is so good at it. :lol:


Dang!!!

Haggis you are about the only nut left uncracked!

Tell me about Romney!

:banana:

[MyBlackBeasts]

As an employee a person is so clueless as to what it takes to run a business. I started up in 2003. Worked full time 60 hour week job & then my business start up on top = 7 days week, 16+ hours a day. Quit my job and went full time on business in 2005, still working 16hrs day 7 days week.

Finally in 2010 I came out of the red, made myself a whole $200 for the year 2010. That's when I learned how the IRS does math. For you non-business owners, hear is how the conversation goes:

IRS: Hello Mr. Businessman, we see you are in the black and earned $200! Congratuklations! Oh, by the way you now qualify for self-employment tax so you owe us $3400.

Me: WTF!?!?!?!?!

IRS: Yes sir, and if you don't pay us the $3400 within 90 days you will owe penalty & interest.

Me: How the heck can I pay you $3400 when I only made $200!?!?!

IRS: Your problem, sign here.

Methinks its time for a little revolution... :mad2:

[Curless]

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GAMike]

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.c om/2012/07/talk-about-red-tape.html

Hope this helps:o:eek::mad2::duel::uzi:
The smiles above indicate the paths of most small business owners who are trying to grow their business presently....

[jerrym3]

As an employee a person is so clueless as to what it takes to run a business. I started up in 2003. Worked full time 60 hour week job & then my business start up on top = 7 days week, 16+ hours a day. Quit my job and went full time on business in 2005, still working 16hrs day 7 days week.

Finally in 2010 I came out of the red, made myself a whole $200 for the year 2010. That's when I learned how the IRS does math. For you non-business owners, hear is how the conversation goes:

IRS: Hello Mr. Businessman, we see you are in the black and earned $200! Congratuklations! Oh, by the way you now qualify for self-employment tax so you owe us $3400.

Me: WTF!?!?!?!?!

IRS: Yes sir, and if you don't pay us the $3400 within 90 days you will owe penalty & interest.

Me: How the heck can I pay you $3400 when I only made $200!?!?!

IRS: Your problem, sign here.

Methinks its time for a little revolution... :mad2:

Yessir, and we all know how those entrepreneurs, domestic and foreign, are going to make a mad dash to invest in a country undergoing an internal revolution for, I don't know, one year? five? ten?

We'd have to beat them away with a stick.

[CBT]

As an employee a person is so clueless as to what it takes to run a business. I started up in 2003. Worked full time 60 hour week job & then my business start up on top = 7 days week, 16+ hours a day. Quit my job and went full time on business in 2005, still working 16hrs day 7 days week.

Finally in 2010 I came out of the red, made myself a whole $200 for the year 2010. That's when I learned how the IRS does math. For you non-business owners, hear is how the conversation goes:

IRS: Hello Mr. Businessman, we see you are in the black and earned $200! Congratuklations! Oh, by the way you now qualify for self-employment tax so you owe us $3400.

Me: WTF!?!?!?!?!

IRS: Yes sir, and if you don't pay us the $3400 within 90 days you will owe penalty & interest.

Me: How the heck can I pay you $3400 when I only made $200!?!?!

IRS: Your problem, sign here.

Methinks its time for a little revolution... :mad2:

Holy **** that's crazy!!
Look, for guys who want to open a business just do this:
Marry a woman from India and on the night of your honeymoon scratch the red dot off her forehead and see if you won a hotel or a 7-11.
Your welcome.

[kernie]

Yessir, and we all know how those entrepreneurs, domestic and foreign, are going to make a mad dash to invest in a country undergoing an internal revolution for, I don't know, one year? five? ten?

We'd have to beat them away with a stick.

Iv'e asked this question before on this 'time for a revolution' issue without a real response...really, i can't figure it out...

Who would be fighting who?

Crazy talk.

[guspech750]

Iv'e asked this question before on this 'time for a revolution' issue without a real response...really, i can't figure it out...

Who would be fighting who?

Crazy talk.

LOL. 230+ years ago, I bet you would have sat back a let the British and their taxation polices rule your life while you lived in the gutter while others decided enough is enough with big government.

Man I am willing to bet that if you lived in America, you would be giving Uncle Sam a free reach-a-round.


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[kernie]

LOL. 230+ years ago, I bet you would have sat back a let the British and their taxation polices rule your life while you lived in the gutter while others decided enough is enough with big government.

Man I am willing to bet that if you lived in America, you would be giving Uncle Sam a free reach-a-round.


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Oh guspech, i like ya, you live a clean life, nice family, nice home i bet, great car! Certainly 95% of the world would trade places with ya in a heartbeat!

You are just a little off on this issue.

Tell you what, you say 'romney', {kinda like 'uncle'} and we will forget all about this.

[Spectragod]

LOL. 230+ years ago, I bet you would have sat back a let the British and their taxation polices rule your life while you lived in the gutter while others decided enough is enough with big government.

Man I am willing to bet that if you lived in America, you would be giving Uncle Sam a free reach-a-round.


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Your only partially right, he's already giving out reach around's.


Oh guspech, i like ya, you live a clean life, nice family, nice home i bet, great car! Certainly 95% of the world would trade places with ya in a heartbeat!

You are just a little off on this issue.

Tell you what, you say 'romney', {kinda like 'uncle'} and we will forget all about this.

So, because you fall into the 5% the rest of us (in another country mind you) should feel your pain, because your life sucks?

I have a lot of nice things, you know why, because I work, and expect nothing from anyone, you should try that, and quit attacking members on this forum with your B.S.

[kernie]

Your only partially right, he's already giving out reach around's.



So, because you fall into the 5% the rest of us (in another country mind you) should feel your pain, because your life sucks?

I have a lot of nice things, you know why, because I work, and expect nothing from anyone, you should try that, and quit attacking members on this forum with your B.S.

Whatever spectragod.

If i fall into the 5% that means i don't envy, duh.

And why don't you just shove your 'reacharounds', grow up.

[Spectragod]

Whatever spectragod.

If i fall into the 5% that means i don't envy, duh.

And why don't you just shove your 'reacharounds', grow up.

Pot calling the kettle black, and you are part of the 5%, read your posts, you envy us because we live in the United States.

I'll never grow up, my age is posted. :P

[guspech750]

Oh guspech, i like ya, you live a clean life, nice family, nice home i bet, great car! Certainly 95% of the world would trade places with ya in a heartbeat!

You are just a little off on this issue.

Tell you what, you say 'romney', {kinda like 'uncle'} and we will forget all about this.

I do have a lot of nice things. More than I ever thought I would. And I worked my tail off for all of it. I've got the messed up back to prove it. But I still keep on drilling wells even though I have 4 degenerative disks and spinal stenosis. No one gave me any handouts. Nor would I ever ask for a handout or take a handout. I am way better than that. Handouts and socialists programs are for losers who are spineless, mindless, lazy, oxygen wasting people who feed off the hard work of others.

Our cars do rock :)


What do you do for a living Kernie?



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[MyBlackBeasts]

Iv'e asked this question before on this 'time for a revolution' issue without a real response...really, i can't figure it out...

Who would be fighting who?

Crazy talk.

Citizens vs. tyranical govt. Starting by political "flushing the toilet".

Uh, no... not crazy talk. It's a quote (inaccurate) from Thomas Jefferson.

Following Shays' Rebellion, (http://www.ushistory.org/us/15a.asp) Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison " I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." Here is the full letter, it's a good read: http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/little-rebellionquotation

Also, read the Federalist Papers to help you understand.

[jerrym3]

Sorry, don't know what a reach around is. Must be a generational thing.

But, if you really want to start a revolution:

1) you'll be fighting against fellow Americans
2) you'll probably destroy some infrastructure; people will lose power, heating, communications, salaries, bridges, etc.
3) innocent civilians will be hurt or killed in the battle; you will die or be imprisoned, and your family will be without a breadwinner

So, looking at the above, and realizing that you are NOT part of the majority, are you willing to kill fellow Americans (civilian and non-civilian) to push forth your idealogy ("damn, I'm being taxed too much!").

And the difference between you and the scumbag Muslim radical ideologists in the Middle East is....????? Aren't they willing to destroy their country, kill innocents, and destroy their infrastructure to push their idealogy?

You folks pushing revolution, and "take back our country/lock and load" blah/blah/blah should sit back and have a cup of coffee. A strong one.

Want to take back your country?

Do it at the voting booth. Don't go waving your "lock and load" rhetoric, because it don't mean squat.

Unless you want to die sooner than you normally would.

My apologies. I'm too damn old for much of this bullcrap.

[kernie]

I do have a lot of nice things. More than I ever thought I would. And I worked my tail off for all of it. I've got the messed up back to prove it. But I still keep on drilling wells even though I have 4 degenerative disks and spinal stenosis. No one gave me any handouts. Nor would I ever ask for a handout or take a handout. I am way better than that. Handouts and socialists programs are for losers who are spineless, mindless, lazy, oxygen wasting people who feed off the hard work of others.

Our cars do rock :)


What do you do for a living Kernie?



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I know you earned what you have but when i say 95% of the world would change places with you it simply means you are lucky to have the opportunities you do. Why that simple statement confuses some i don't know.

I drove trucks for 25 years, long hours and made a nice living for my family. I am very grateful to have the chances that i have/had and fit into the 5 or 10% that enjoy our standard of living. I thank my present and past governments for my lifestyle, they have alot to do with making it possible.

I won't say what i do now as i could easily be identified and screwed with by someone who wanted to do me harm. No welfare or unemployment here, ever.

I think Jerry's post above says it well, this ain't 1790, talk of revolution is crazy and borders on another word which i won't use.

:beer:

[PonyUP]

Sorry, don't know what a reach around is. Must be a generational thing.

But, if you really want to start a revolution:

1) you'll be fighting against fellow Americans
2) you'll probably destroy some infrastructure; people will lose power, heating, communications, salaries, bridges, etc.
3) innocent civilians will be hurt or killed in the battle; you will die or be imprisoned, and your family will be without a breadwinner

So, looking at the above, and realizing that you are NOT part of the majority, are you willing to kill fellow Americans (civilian and non-civilian) to push forth your idealogy ("damn, I'm being taxed too much!").

And the difference between you and the scumbag Muslim radical ideologosists in the Middle East is....????? Aren't they willing to destroy their country, kill innocents, and destroy their infrastructure to push their idealogy?

You folks pushing revolution, and "take back our country/lock and load" blah/blah/blah should sit back and have a cup of coffee. A strong one.

Want to take back your country?

Do it at the voting booth. Don't go waving your "lock and load" rhetoric, because it don't mean squat.

Unless you want to die sooner than you normally would.

My apologies. I'm too damn old for much of this bullcrap.

Jerry, I avoid political threads nowadays, too much pounding my head against the wall because we can never have an honest discussion here without the minority being painted as moron socialist scumbags or being copy and pasted to death with random crap found on google

But you my friend, I'd like to sit down and have a cup of coffee with, I think we could have a great discussion, and to me, that's how real change comes about


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[jerrym3]

I went from a helper in a autobody shop, to a Steelworker, to a UAW worker in a Ford parts depot, to a first line supervisor in a warehouse, to an Asst Plant Mgr (Administration), to a Telecom Mgr (Voice), to an AVP Telecom/Officer, to a Project Mgr, to the street.

Good fun all the way, even when spending weekends relocating a bunch of very high paid, snooty, financial advisors. No complaints. Got to see much more of this country than I ever would with a typical desk job.

Unforthunately, those great jobs just aren't there anymore.

[MyBlackBeasts]

Sorry, don't know what a reach around is. Must be a generational thing.

But, if you really want to start a revolution:

1) you'll be fighting against fellow Americans
2) you'll probably destroy some infrastructure; people will lose power, heating, communications, salaries, bridges, etc.
3) innocent civilians will be hurt or killed in the battle; you will die or be imprisoned, and your family will be without a breadwinner

So, looking at the above, and realizing that you are NOT part of the majority, are you willing to kill fellow Americans (civilian and non-civilian) to push forth your idealogy ("damn, I'm being taxed too much!").

And the difference between you and the scumbag Muslim radical ideologists in the Middle East is....????? Aren't they willing to destroy their country, kill innocents, and destroy their infrastructure to push their idealogy?

You folks pushing revolution, and "take back our country/lock and load" blah/blah/blah should sit back and have a cup of coffee. A strong one.

Want to take back your country?

Do it at the voting booth. Don't go waving your "lock and load" rhetoric, because it don't mean squat.

Unless you want to die sooner than you normally would.

My apologies. I'm too damn old for much of this bullcrap.

Wow, take a chill pill dude...

I have no idea how you managed to leap to "killing fellow Americans, etc".
Rebellion/revolution (what Jefferson was referencing in the quote) starts with changing the polictitions and working within the political framework and the constitution to affect change to steer the country back in the proper direction.

Phew, u need a vacation my friend! Try to have a better day! :D

[Spectragod]

I know you earned what you have but when i say 95% of the world would change places with you it simply means you are lucky to have the opportunities you do. Why that simple statement confuses some i don't know.

I drove trucks for 25 years, long hours and made a nice living for my family. I am very grateful to have the chances that i have/had and fit into the 5 or 10% that enjoy our standard of living. I thank my present and past governments for my lifestyle, they have alot to do with making it possible.

:beer:

"Luck" has nothing to do with my place in this world, nor did any government have anything to do with any prosperity. I enjoy the standard of living that I worked for and earned.

Why anyone would think the government or any one else for that matter provided this I don't know.

[jerrym3]

Wow, take a chill pill dude...

I have no idea how you managed to leap to "killing fellow Americans, etc".
Rebellion/revolution (what Jefferson was referencing in the quote) starts with changing the polictitions and working within the political framework and the constitution to affect change to steer the country back in the proper direction.

Phew, u need a vacation my friend! Try to have a better day! :D

Hey, I ain't the guy ready to "lock and load" and "take back my country", and "ready, sir", so ask those guys what they meant, not me.

Heck, I don't even own a weapon.

[jerrym3]

Jerry, I avoid political threads nowadays, too much pounding my head against the wall because we can never have an honest discussion here without the minority being painted as moron socialist scumbags or being copy and pasted to death with random crap found on google

But you my friend, I'd like to sit down and have a cup of coffee with, I think we could have a great discussion, and to me, that's how real change comes about


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If you are ever in North Joisey. PM me. We'll do lunch.

Yeah, I can just take so much BS until my sanity button gets pushed. This revolution BS just gets me going.

Comes with old age, I reckon.

[PonyUP]

If you are ever in North Joisey. PM me. We'll do lunch.

Yeah, I can just take so much BS until my sanity button gets pushed. This revolution BS just gets me going.

Comes with old age, I reckon.

I was just on New York for the weekend, next time I'm up that way, I'll definitely pm you, I think it would be a good time

I agree with you, sometimes I get frustrated too and just have to chime in, I really like the way you do it

Cheers my friend


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[MyBlackBeasts]

"Luck" has nothing to do with my place in this world, nor did any government have anything to do with any prosperity. I enjoy the standard of living that I worked for and earned.

Why anyone would think the government or any one else for that matter provided this I don't know.

That's right, you make your own luck. The only limitations in life are SELF-imposed.

[MrBluGruv]

Finally in 2010 I came out of the red, made myself a whole $200 for the year 2010. That's when I learned how the IRS does math. For you non-business owners, hear is how the conversation goes:

IRS: Hello Mr. Businessman, we see you are in the black and earned $200! Congratuklations! Oh, by the way you now qualify for self-employment tax so you owe us $3400.

Me: WTF!?!?!?!?!

IRS: Yes sir, and if you don't pay us the $3400 within 90 days you will owe penalty & interest.

Me: How the heck can I pay you $3400 when I only made $200!?!?!

IRS: Your problem, sign here.

I'm having a little trouble understanding how you owed more taxes than you brought in if the tax is a percentage of your net income. I mean, I fully believe that it could happen knowing the IRS, but I'm still trying to come to grips with it myself.

My understanding is that initially you pay roughly 15% tax on your income as the business (assuming you are a sole proprietorship) in the form of the self-employment tax, and then what is left after that is taxed as your regular income tax with the ability to deduct approximately half of the self-employment tax from your personal income statement. Is this not accurate? Or am I'm missing a bunch of steps along the way?

I can kind of see the logic in separating the two taxation points at least, in this way if you are self-employed for one business but are an employee of another you still have to contribute your Social Security and Medicare taxes on your personal enterprise just like it is taken from your paycheck from the company that employs you itself, BUT any other income from a job where you are the employee isn't double-taxed from FICA THEN self-employment tax. This is all assuming that you shouldn't be able to end up in the red from taxes though...

[tbone]

Wow, take a chill pill dude...

I have no idea how you managed to leap to "killing fellow Americans, etc".
Rebellion/revolution (what Jefferson was referencing in the quote) starts with changing the polictitions and working within the political framework and the constitution to affect change to steer the country back in the proper direction.

Phew, u need a vacation my friend! Try to have a better day! :D

Haha! I was thinking the same thing. Revolution does not necessarily mean violence. When did you say anything about that? :confused:

[Vortex]

Sometimes I think the most popular book around here is the Turner Diaries.

[Spectragod]

Sometimes I think the most popular book around here is the Turner Diaries.

Really? A fictional novel.....:confused:

What's the most popular book in your place?