traction controll??

[bill64]

well my 03' mm 300a built in july 02' seems to have the usual options for the 300a however under the hood in the battery junction box it has the relay for traction controll ilumination as verified by both the owners manual and the factory ford service manual....but has no deactivation switch. its not just a spare relay someone stuck in there as it has the wire terminals in the plastic box....the other un-used ones have no terminals....hmmmmm
however my owners manual shows it would have a deactivation switch. has any one seen an 03' wiith t/c but no switch?
also my old grand marquis i used to own had t/c but no de activation switch. it was much older though. I did not register the car yet so i could not try to activate the t/c, if it has it. or am i making the wrong assumption that it should have the switch?

[SC Cheesehead]

well my 03' mm 300a built in july 02' seems to have the usual options for the 300a however under the hood in the battery junction box it has the relay for traction controll ilumination as verified by both the owners manual and the factory ford service manual....but has no deactivation switch. its not just a spare relay someone stuck in there as it has the wire terminals in the plastic box....the other un-used ones have no terminals....hmmmmm
however my owners manual shows it would have a deactivation switch. has any one seen an 03' wiith t/c but no switch?
also my old grand marquis i used to own had t/c but no de activation switch. it was much older though. I did not register the car yet so i could not try to activate the t/c, if it has it. or am i making the wrong assumption that it should have the switch?

If it's a 300A, it doesn't have T/C.

If there's no rocker switch on the dash trim panel, it doesn't have T/C.

[bill64]

If it's a 300A, it doesn't have T/C.

If there's no rocker switch on the dash trim panel, it doesn't have T/C.
thats what i was thinking...but the relay being present. could just be a fluke? the ford service manual shows that relay only for illuminating the dash t/c symbol, that relay serves no other purpose so it has me wondering.

[bill64]

just went and checked...also has fuse#11 (traction controll indicator relay, abs with t/c only)

[fastblackmerc]

thats what i was thinking...but the relay being present. could just be a fluke? the ford service manual shows that relay only for illuminating the dash t/c symbol, that relay serves no other purpose so it has me wondering.


just went and checked...also has fuse#11 (traction controll indicator relay, abs with t/c only)

I think it maybe in there for the ABS system. It's a well-known fact that 2003 Marauders didn't have traction control. If it was a later build there might have been some cross contamination with the 2004 Marauder parts, but I doubt it.

[Mr. Man]

Some of the T/C nonsense may be built into the car in preparation for the day Ford actually put in in. I know my truck doesn't have fog lites but the wiring is there.

[Odinson]

You know I just had an odd conversation just like this yesterday.

What does TC feel like? Does it kick in on the drift just as all four tires start to squeel? Does the throttle seem to drop forcing the car to slow down a bit? Is there a computer flag for 'TC on' or some such?

Could you take a picture of that relay box? I have a late 2003.

I'll check for fuse #11.

It's either that or a short that's effected by lateral Gs.

[EMAS]

The bulk of the wiring of the Marauder is the same as used on the lesser SWB Panthers, it's just cheaper to have a one size fits all wiring harness that separate harnesses for cars with different levels of equipment.

Early Panthers had low speed traction control. Those were only active below about 25 MPH. Later Fords had all speed traction control and all of those have a switch to deactivate it.

As to what it feels like when it is activated it depends on how bad of wheel spin is detected and at what speed it is occurring. If it's just a little all that will happen is you hear the ABS pump running and the light will flash. If it is at high speed or a lot of slip is detected the computer will reduce engine power and you will feel the loss of power, and it may activate the brake(s) on the slipping wheel(s).

[bill64]

You know I just had an odd conversation just like this yesterday.

What does TC feel like? Does it kick in on the drift just as all four tires start to squeel? Does the throttle seem to drop forcing the car to slow down a bit? Is there a computer flag for 'TC on' or some such?

Could you take a picture of that relay box? I have a late 2003.

I'll check for fuse #11.

It's either that or a short that's effected by lateral Gs.
well the last car i owned that had t/c was a 94' grand marquis and it seemed a bit sluggish controlling wheel spin but it would get me up a snow covered hill..did its job. heres some pics....i was working on thte fog lights so i put "fog" on the relays...i also put "t/c" on the relay in question. also note my 03' crown vic does not have that relay, but i dident check for the fuse in the cv. the relay under the hood is for t/c only...not spliced into anything else.

[RF Overlord]

My understanding is that T/C was added to the '03 300b and '04s via different software in the ABS contoller (or the PCM) so even if you have the relay, it still won't operate.

Especially since you have a very early 300a...I'd be more inclined to believe the relay was installed in error at the factory or by someone troubleshooting something else...

[bill64]

The bulk of the wiring of the Marauder is the same as used on the lesser SWB Panthers, it's just cheaper to have a one size fits all wiring harness that separate harnesses for cars with different levels of equipment.

Early Panthers had low speed traction control. Those were only active below about 25 MPH. Later Fords had all speed traction control and all of those have a switch to deactivate it.

As to what it feels like when it is activated it depends on how bad of wheel spin is detected and at what speed it is occurring. If it's just a little all that will happen is you hear the ABS pump running and the light will flash. If it is at high speed or a lot of slip is detected the computer will reduce engine power and you will feel the loss of power, and it may activate the brake(s) on the slipping wheel(s).
could this be the low speed traction controll? if the car was on the road i would test it out but still have to figure out the cornering lamps (narrowed down to multi function switch most likely) before i register it. i have an 03' crown vic which i bought new and it does not have that relay under the hood , also does not have any wire terminals at the battery junction box where "unused spaces" exist...same with the merc, but with the merc it seems the t/c is all wired up.

[gpfarrell]

It's a well-known fact that 2003 Marauders didn't have traction control.

Uh, lots of 2003 Marauders had TC... the 300Bs.

[Bluerauder]

It's a well-known fact that 2003 Marauders didn't have traction control.

Not ^^^^^ so at all. All of the '03 MM 300B models had traction control beginning about October 2002. That is one of the primary differences between the 300A and 300B models. My 2003 Blue MM was built in January 2003 and definitely DOES have traction control.

300A vs. 300B >>>> http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31102

Time to use the "Search Button" Jim. ;)

[EMAS]

I think you are reading things wrong and/or there is a misprint in the shop manual. I just went out an looked at my car, it's owner's manual and your pictures. The relays in my 300a car are in the same location as yours and from looking at the diagram on the cover one of those open spots is labeled 205 and the owner's manual says 205 is the traction control relay.

[bill64]

I think you are reading things wrong and/or there is a misprint in the shop manual. I just went out an looked at my car, it's owner's manual and your pictures. The relays in my 300a car are in the same location as yours and from looking at the diagram on the cover one of those open spots is labeled 205 and the owner's manual says 205 is the traction control relay.
yes and #205 is where the t/c relay is. mine has that relay in the #205 spot. not being rude but are you sure your looking at the cover right? i know for a fact the shop manuals have plenty of errors as i used to be a flat rate gm tech and i have found plenty of erors in the gm manuals as well as ford manuals ....the relay in my pic with "tc" is #205:)

[Marauderjack]

Easy test......get on a dirt road and floor it....if it has Traction Control you will know it pretty darn quick!!:eek:

[EMAS]

yes and #205 is where the t/c relay is. mine has that relay in the #205 spot. not being rude but are you sure your looking at the cover right? i know for a fact the shop manuals have plenty of errors as i used to be a flat rate gm tech and i have found plenty of erors in the gm manuals as well as ford manuals ....the relay in my pic with "tc" is #205:)

My mistake you are correct that is slot 205 and mine has a relay in that spot too and it absolutely does not have TC either all speed nor low speed. Keep in mind that the TC function is part of the ABS computer, it's all in the programing except for the "off" switch.

[bill64]

My mistake you are correct that is slot 205 and mine has a relay in that spot too and it absolutely does not have TC either all speed nor low speed. Keep in mind that the TC function is part of the ABS computer, it's all in the programing except for the "off" switch.
emass thanks. its probably like others said...ford gearing up to have it as standard equipment but not installed in my car, seeing as it seems to be mostly pre wired for it i wonder how much of work it would take for the software,etc to be installed, if i remember right the abs unit is the same as the abs/tc unit just the programming differs??..well i think its worth looking into

[Chi Stallion]

Not ^^^^^ so at all. All of the '03 MM 300B models had traction control beginning about October 2002. That is one of the primary differences between the 300A and 300B models. My 2003 Blue MM was built in January 2003 and definitely DOES have traction control.

300A vs. 300B >>>> http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31102

Time to use the "Search Button" Jim. ;)

Bluerader is right Traction Control wasnt offered up until October 7, 2002. Thats when these cars started gettin em.

[Chi Stallion]

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Post # 26 Member Name Brian

This guy had a ton of knowledge back in 02' when the MM was comin out.
Hes definitely gota work Ford or something this guy knew everything about the Marauder in late 02 when nobody didnt have a clue what this car had to offer. He had to be one of the higher reps for Ford or something. Theres no way somebody comes outa nowere and passes all this info in late 2002. Hes well Marauder connected in my book.