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ctrlraven
11-26-2012, 07:44 AM
http://www.insideline.com/buick/grand-national-gnx-and-t-type-are-returning-to-buick.html

SEXY but needs black housing headlights, not feeling the chrome.
http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/buick/gnx/ns/buick_gnx_f34_ns_112612_717.jp g



Just the Facts:
Buick is planning to reintroduce the Grand National, T-Type and GNX nameplates.
The new models will ride on GM's rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.
The Grand National and T-Type models will likely use turbocharged V6s, while the GNX will most likely get GM's new LT1 V8.

SANTA MONICA, California — Buick is bringing back the Grand National, the GNX and the T-Type, three legendary performance nameplates from the brand's high times of the 1980s. All three cars will be sedans and they'll use GM's new rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform first introduced in the Cadillac ATS sedan.

That's the plan anyway, according to a reliable source who spoke to Edmunds.

As in the 1980s, the T-Type and Grand National will share powertrains and suspension calibrations, but the T-Type will be offered in a full color palette, while the GN will come in black only. Details on the exact drivetrain that will be used are still hard to come by at this point.

Buick's current turbocharged 2.0-liter has the right vibe but lacks the muscle, and the normally aspirated V6 has the guts but just doesn't feel right for these nameplates. A more likely scenario is the use of GM's long-rumored, and recently spotted, twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter V6. It's expected to produce between 350 and 400 horsepower, which would be more than enough power in a bad black Buick with a Grand National badge.

So what's left for the legendary GNX nameplate? How about GM's new LT1 V8? We've already confirmed that a V8 will fit in the confines of the Alpha platform, so it's not an issue of "if" it can be done, but one of "how" it will be done.

With a V-Series version of the Cadillac ATS almost certainly in the pipeline, a Buick version with a slightly less powerful V8 could be the ticket for the GNX. A six-speed manual transmission and six-speed automatic could be available in all three sedans.

Buick will also make changes to the sedan's interior and exterior to bring it into the Buick family. The size of the sedan should remain unchanged, however, (the Cadillac ATS is exactly the same size as a BMW 3 Series) and all of its subsystems such as steering, brakes and suspension will be shared with the ATS.

For those born after the Reagan administration, the Buick Regal T-Type, Grand National and GNX were essentially the quickest cars you could buy in 1986 and '87. They were powered by turbocharged versions of Buick's 3.8-liter V6 and they instantly became legends on the street and on every drag strip in America. Today these Buicks are highly valued collector cars, with prices topping out at $100,000 for one of the 547 GNXs that GM built in 1987.

One of those GNXs used to belong to Mark Reuss, the current president of General Motors North America. In fact, his dad, Lloyd Reuss, approved the original GNX when he was executive vice president of General Motors North America in the '80s. Needless to say, there's plenty of enthusiasm at the very top of General Motors for a return of these storied nameplates.

That enthusiasm can't work miracles, however, so we'll have to wait at least another year before this crop of performance Buicks even gets a mention in public. Figure the 2014 Detroit Auto Show is a good bet.

Edmunds says: Just when we think GM has settled back into stupid mode Reuss and the gang get smart. We can't wait to drive these new Buicks. Make ours, and everyone else's, black.

Rockettman
11-26-2012, 07:45 AM
Meh :dunno:

Mac-MerC
11-26-2012, 07:59 AM
if i cant get a GXP G8 when i pay off the Marauder... i know what i might be getting

LANDY
11-26-2012, 08:08 AM
That buick is sexy.

DOOM
11-26-2012, 08:17 AM
Well it's about damn time!

Comin' in Hot
11-26-2012, 08:19 AM
I saw this on Black Air's facebook page the other day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/Witman40/423440_10151278292760312_27634 8188_n.jpg

ctrlraven
11-26-2012, 08:29 AM
if i cant get a GXP G8 when i pay off the Marauder... i know what i might be getting
I would love a G8 GXP.

Rockettman
11-26-2012, 08:32 AM
I saw this on Black Air's facebook page the other day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/Witman40/423440_10151278292760312_27634 8188_n.jpg

Ok...now that one is nice!

MOTOWN
11-26-2012, 08:33 AM
Nice car i suppose, but there will never be another like the original GNs and Turbo-Ts

a_d_a_m
11-26-2012, 08:38 AM
These are some lousy Photoshoppers!

breeze
11-26-2012, 08:58 AM
Step your shxt up ford!

N40GL
11-26-2012, 09:18 AM
Awfully nice, but when I ask myself the question "will Ford match this in the performance sedan market?" I recall that Ford is now striving to be eco-friendly. I doubt we'll see anything in the sedan lines that equal this effort.

What amazes me also is how GM was able to sell this to its government shareholders, who have a lot of sway over model choices. The myth is that performance=gas guzzlers, a myth the guv'mint wants to perpetuate. I wonder if these'll see the light of day.

Curless
11-26-2012, 09:49 AM
If they build it I will....(get your minds out of the gutter) BUY ONE! I hesitated on the G-8 GXP....lesson learned.

RF Overlord
11-26-2012, 10:02 AM
I think the recent crop of Buicks has been almost offensively ugly, but if they do it right, I'll be glad. The '87 GN was the last good car Buick made and I'd be happy to see the marque return to glory.

As an aside, it's also nice to see GM follow in Chrysler's footsteps and continue to acknowledge that RWD is the only platform for a true performance car.

Mr. Man
11-26-2012, 10:07 AM
I like te idea but the sedans shape is still Buick boring.

Haggis
11-26-2012, 10:09 AM
If they make it a 2 door and get rid of the Lexus look, I will think about it. If not P/U Truck here I come.

Mr. Man
11-26-2012, 10:24 AM
If they make it a 2 door and get rid of the Lexus look, I will think about it. If not P/U Truck here I come.
Now that right there is funny stuff Barn :rofl::laugh:.........:D

Haggis
11-26-2012, 10:26 AM
Now that right there is funny stuff Barn :rofl::laugh:.........:D

:sleepy:
.........

Mr. Man
11-26-2012, 10:30 AM
:sleepy:
.........
Look at that, he thought and the result was so taxing he fell asleep.

ajdereicup
11-26-2012, 10:43 AM
I saw this on Black Air's facebook page the other day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/Witman40/423440_10151278292760312_27634 8188_n.jpg

This is actually pretty sexy. Don't know about the 4 doors though

Bluerauder
11-26-2012, 10:52 AM
Not very likely that I will EVER get back into GM or a Buick. My '89 Regal was a nightmare with reoccuring electronic problems and fluid leaks of all types. When the driver's door fell off in the parking lot .... I walked away for good. :rolleyes: They'd have to pay me to even consider a test drive. :P

MrBluGruv
11-26-2012, 11:34 AM
I think the supercharged Buick Regal GS was the last potential sleeper that GM could get out of the Regal nameplate, now everyone just expects performance out of it.

Case in point is how, when Buick first announced that new turbo Regal, EVERYONE was shocked when it wasn't going to be a performance car...

CBT
11-26-2012, 12:16 PM
Looks like a Caddy and a BMW bumped uglies on the dance floor and this fell out.


I saw this on Black Air's facebook page the other day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/Witman40/423440_10151278292760312_27634 8188_n.jpg

Baaad GN
11-26-2012, 12:50 PM
Mixed feelings on this one, buick could have a winner but remember the recent GTO! When you take a car and put different badges on it depending on country has a effect, like some of the comments will this be an Opel in Germany? Also knowing Detroit they'll throw a killer price tag on it which will limit sales.

Krytin
11-26-2012, 01:00 PM
Oh Nooooooo! Portholes!:lol:


I saw this on Black Air's facebook page the other day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/Witman40/423440_10151278292760312_27634 8188_n.jpg

Hg M75
11-26-2012, 01:55 PM
The two door above is nice, not feeling a 4 door GN.

RF Overlord
11-26-2012, 02:02 PM
If not P/U Truck here I come.Gordon, you are SUCH a redneck... ;)

Are you Moonshiner X?

Ladyhawke
11-26-2012, 02:59 PM
Gordon, you are SUCH a redneck... ;)

Are you Moonshiner X?

Yes, he is. Thank you Bob. :)

Mr. Man
11-26-2012, 03:01 PM
Gordon, you are SUCH a redneck... ;)

Are you Moonshiner X?Hey! I drive a pickup truck and I know you can't name anyone classier or more sophisticated than me :beatnik:

Ladyhawke
11-26-2012, 03:05 PM
Hey! I drive a pickup truck and I know you can't name anyone nastier or smellier than me :beatnik:

***Fixed***

:razz:

MMcactusflower
11-26-2012, 03:08 PM
I hope Buick does build these vehicles...just to add more performance autos to the mix...if that is what they turned out to be.
and count me in the group that failed to grab onto a G 8 GXP...now I cannot afford any that are on ebay.
RATS!

Mac-MerC
11-26-2012, 03:08 PM
Looks like a Caddy and a BMW bumped uglies on the dance floor and this fell out.

Agreed
I would actually like the 4 door.

Baaad GN
11-26-2012, 03:48 PM
Hey! God said it's ok for Port Holes on GN's, even new ones.

maineiac
11-26-2012, 05:15 PM
I could use it for a winter beater,lol

guspech750
11-26-2012, 06:09 PM
Better be 2 doors.

4 door GNX, T-Type & GN = BIG FOOKING FAIL


Plenty of time for GM to fook it up.


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MyBlackBeasts
11-26-2012, 06:21 PM
Ehh... If they actually did some design work and made a car that had some individualistic looks, I'd be all in. I'd swear there is 1 design team out there doing all the design work from Chevy to Lexus and everything in between!

I'm sick to death of all these rolling eggs with a sheet metal tweak here & there. Every darn car out there looks the same nowdays! :shake:

Of course, I miss chrome bumpers also! :bigcry:

Bradley G
11-26-2012, 06:23 PM
I dont see it as a home run throw back but It does have some appeal.

Chad1987
11-26-2012, 06:46 PM
I'm thrilled to hear the return of the original Darth Vader cars!

As much as we may not want them to be a four door sedan, it's what sells nowadays! Hopefully they'll add a coupe variant to the mix, but I'm not knocking it if they don't. Besides, the original Marauders were sold primarily as two doors, so we have nothing to ***** about either. :)

Mr. Man
11-26-2012, 07:28 PM
***Fixed***

:razz:
Well Chris I guess if I had to wake up next to Gordon's ugly disfigured mug everyday I'd be cranky too.

FastMerc
11-26-2012, 08:05 PM
Looks like a bug...:puke:

dohc324ci
11-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Wow I'd definatly be looking at those if they come out. Hmmm LT1 450HP or twin turbo 3.6 V6?

8UWITH6
11-26-2012, 09:34 PM
I am not holding my breath.............

ctrlraven
11-26-2012, 10:46 PM
SLP recently acquired the rights to “GNX”

dohc324ci
11-27-2012, 12:15 AM
^^^I seen that hopefully GM follows through so Ford has to answer. And the SHO is nice but its a boat and AWD.

Haggis
11-27-2012, 05:34 AM
Well Chris I guess if I had to wake up next to Gordon's ugly disfigured mug everyday I'd be cranky too.

^^Really, this is your answer.^^

How thick headed can one be?

CBT
11-27-2012, 06:47 AM
How thick headed can one be?

Bend over, I'll show ya. Aaaaaaaaand BOOM goes the dynamite!

CBT
11-27-2012, 06:48 AM
Aaaaaaaaand BOOM goes the dynamite!

That's what she said!

JimP
11-27-2012, 08:43 AM
This little guy says No!!!! But I would personally like to see it, but I'm certain that no other car bearing the GN name will ever be able to match the tales of the original. GN in pic looks completely stock and runs 10.8XX's consistently, The MM I sold to a member here.

Curless
11-27-2012, 09:01 AM
You guys are nuts, the thought of GM building another Grand National is awesome...just think, if you can get mid 20's for mileage and run 10's on 25 year old technology, what can you do with new tech, better suspension, rear or all wheel drive, twin turbo....I do feel the V-8 thing is out of the question...its all about the 6!

Take a CTS-V for example...nuff said. How about a CTS-V coupe platform, stretch the length of the nose (header panel) Chrome accent on the grill (badge), lengthen the trunk lines slightly, drop her down on some 18 to 20 inch deep wheels....MMMMM....

Haggis
11-27-2012, 09:17 AM
You guys are nuts, the thought of GM building another Grand National is awesome...just think, if you can get mid 20's for mileage and run 10's on 25 year old technology, what can you do with new tech, better suspension, rear or all wheel drive, twin turbo....I do feel the V-8 thing is out of the question...its all about the 6!

Take a CTS-V for example...nuff said. How about a CTS-V coupe platform, stretch the length of the nose (header panel) Chrome accent on the grill (badge), lengthen the trunk lines slightly, drop her down on some 18 to 20 inch deep wheels....MMMMM....

Yea, but this is not the 80's and the bean-counters will kill it.

Curless
11-27-2012, 09:22 AM
Yea, but this is not the 80's and the bean-counters will kill it.


Maybe they need some S.outh H.aven I.ced T.ea before they decide.....:dunno:

ctrlraven
11-27-2012, 09:24 AM
Yea, but this is not the 80's and the bean-counters will kill it.
Uh.... who owns 62% of the control shares of GM? The federal bean counters, the car will be made.

pem
11-27-2012, 09:27 AM
Instead of portholes, I would like to see little pictures on the front fenders of Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and a taxpayer with a screw thru his heart !

Haggis
11-27-2012, 09:44 AM
Uh.... who owns 62% of the control shares of GM? The federal bean counters, the car will be made.

The UAW, that's who.

Haggis
11-27-2012, 09:46 AM
Maybe they need some S.outh H.aven I.ced T.ea before they decide.....:dunno:

I will need a lot of S.outh H.aven I.ced T.ea before I buy one with the way it looks in the pics.

ctrlraven
11-27-2012, 10:56 AM
The UAW, that's who.
It's backwards day lol, sorry I meant 26%.

Haggis
11-27-2012, 11:06 AM
It's backwards day lol, sorry I meant 26%.

That is quite ok, your forgiven.

Mr. Man
11-27-2012, 11:13 AM
^^Really, this is your answer.^^

How thick headed can one be?
I'll bring my calipers the next time I see you we will measure your head and find out.:)