Projector Fog Lights?

[capt512]

Hey Everyone,

I am not sure whether this belongs more here or Shop Talk, but here is where I am placing it.

I currently have DIY TheRetrofitSource Morimoto Projectors in my headlights, because I didn't want other drivers blinded by my lights and wanted a smooth spread of light.

My fog lights were part of a DDM purchase back when I had DDM drop in bulbs and they never matched the DDM headlight bulbs and now don't match the Morimoto bulbs either.

So I am looking to replace my fog light bulbs at least with Morimotos. However I also found they really put out very little light even for fogs. I know some talked about removing the diffuser but it just seems like that would blind others.
However I know there was talk by a few members of making projector fog lights. I never saw anyone actually do it though. Was considering getting the projector housings myself for the morimoto minis and see if they work but was wondering if anyone knew one way or the other first.

[MOTOWN]

Everyone who has done an HID conversion on the fogs have removed the diffuser and it doesnt blind anyone, the fogs arent aiming high enuff to shine into anyones line of sight they more so shine torwards the ground.

Besides didnt you remove your diffusers from your headlights when you converted to projectors?

[fastblackmerc]

Everyone who has done an HID conversion on the fogs have removed the diffuser and it doesnt blind anyone, the fogs arent aiming high enuff to shine into anyones line of sight they more so shine torwards the ground.

Besides didnt you remove your diffusers from your headlights when you converted to projectors?
And the HID bulb will not fit if the diffuser is installed.

[ctrlraven]

And the HID bulb will not fit if the diffuser is installed.
No true, my current foglights still have the diffuser in it with HIDs. I couldn't get the glass lens to separate. I've done four installs for other members and left the diffuser in with no problems.

My factory foglights I was able to separate the lens and take the diffuser out.

[Limited360]

I also had mine installed with diffuser still present.

[MidnitMarauder]

Has anyone successfully separated the lens? If so, how?

[capt512]

I do have the diffuser still in mine with HID bulbs with no problem. I did remove it for the headlamps but I replaced with projector housings...so a lot different. Just wondered about putting projectors in. I can try removing the diffusers first.

[fastblackmerc]

Has anyone successfully separated the lens? If so, how?

For the foglights?

Easy, just bend the "ears" slightly and the lens assembly will separate from the housing. I've done it on a large number of foglight / HID conversions.

[FastMerc]

For the foglights?

Easy, just bend the "ears" slightly and the lens assembly will separate from the housing. I've done it on a large number of foglight / HID conversions.
I want to convert mine but what glue do you use to hold hid bulb in?

[fastblackmerc]

I want to convert mine but what glue do you use to hold hid bulb in?

High quality silicone.

[FastMerc]

High quality silicone.
Doesn't that stay soft and the bulb will bounce around?

[fastblackmerc]

Doesn't that stay soft and the bulb will bounce around?

Silicone sealer?

I've done mine and about 30 others with no problems.

[capt512]

Anyone have a stock set of foglights out of the car that they could measure the height, width, and inside depth of? Am looking at the Morimoto Matchbox projectors but would like to know the size I have to mess with before buying them. I would take mine out but its a pain with all those flaps underneath and things to remove just to get at them all before a night shift. Just figured I would ask if anyone could measure and save me the trouble?

Thanks

[ctrlraven]

Silicone sealer?

I've done mine and about 30 others with no problems.
Yep. I normally use Ultra Black rtv as it is what I keep around the shop for other projects. The H10 bulb lock tabs have to be trimmed to fit into the H1 housing. Only takes a few mins to do, if you do it just right the bulb will stay firmly in place without any silicone applied.



Anyone have a stock set of foglights out of the car that they could measure the height, width, and inside depth of? Am looking at the Morimoto Matchbox projectors but would like to know the size I have to mess with before buying them. I would take mine out but its a pain with all those flaps underneath and things to remove just to get at them all before a night shift. Just figured I would ask if anyone could measure and save me the trouble?

Thanks
Are you trying fit the projector inside the housing or replace the housing altogether and use to the projector?

[capt512]

I am trying to fit the projector inside the housing so when off it won't look crazy different from stock. That's what I am trying to see if it has a chance of working. This is why I was looking at the morimoto matchbox projector.

[ctrlraven]

http://www.lightwerkz.net/news/2012/10/03/charles-mercury-marauder-fog-light-conversion/

Hmmmm

[capt512]

T.h.a.n.k. Y.o.u.!!!!!!!!

[burt ragio]

Between the fog & drive lights night vision must be clear as day.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I disagree. My HIDs in the fogs do blind you when the diffuser is not in. I don't even use the fogs anymore because of this unless I'm in a lonely dark country road.

[MOTOWN]

I disagree. My HIDs in the fogs do blind you when the diffuser is not in. I don't even use the fogs anymore because of this unless I'm in a lonely dark country road.

Then you need to adjust them.

[fastblackmerc]

I disagree. My HIDs in the fogs do blind you when the diffuser is not in. I don't even use the fogs anymore because of this unless I'm in a lonely dark country road.

Mine don't :dunno:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

There's no adjusting to be made. They are not made for that housing. The connector even had to be hacked up to fit the things in there in the first place. Would be nice to have a projector down there because the light scatters all over the way it is removing the diffuser.

[Limited360]

http://www.lightwerkz.net/news/2012/10/03/charles-mercury-marauder-fog-light-conversion/

Hmmmm


Very interesting indeed...

[burt ragio]

We need a vendor on board that does quality work at a reasonable price for these projectors.

[ctrlraven]

We need a vendor on board that does quality work at a reasonable price for these projectors.

We need a whole lot more people who are interested and willing to pay for a vendor like that to join. Vendors do have to pay an annual fee to be on the forum so it has to be worth their while to join.

[fastblackmerc]

We need a whole lot more people who are interested and willing to pay for a vendor like that to join. Vendors do have to pay an annual fee to be on the forum so it has to be worth their while to join.

Correct.

I'd like to make these but like all aftermarket Marauder stuff there is a very limited market, then to top it off you get a lot of people the "want" it but when it comes down to paying most are gone.... your lucky to get 10% of the ones who "wanted" the item to actually go thru withte purchase. Just ask Paul about his current and probably last run of mechanic shirts.

[fastblackmerc]

We need a whole lot more people who are interested and willing to pay for a vendor like that to join. Vendors do have to pay an annual fee to be on the forum so it has to be worth their while to join.

Correct.

I'd like to make these but like all aftermarket Marauder stuff there is a very limited market, then to top it off you get a lot of people the "want" it but when it comes down to paying most are gone.... your lucky to get 10% of the ones who "wanted" the item to actually go thru with the purchase. Just ask Paul about his current and probably last run of mechanic shirts.

[Mebot]

True but we did get a run of those hoods from class glass as well as the 4" tips from Cone Engineering.

sent from a Samsung Galaxy far far away...

[capt512]

Some of these projector mods are actually quite easy for a DIYer, however the cost is prohibitive I would imagine for even a vendor. I spent a little over $400 for my headlight kit just on parts... then you figure labor would be atleast another $100. So thats $500 period, and most aren't willing to pay that for headlights. To get in the consideration range I think prices would have to be closer to $200-250 complete and I doubt even a vendor could go near that cheap.

[Limited360]

Yeah I looked into offering a retrofit service but the price point is too high to get people on board...

[burt ragio]

Yeah I looked into offering a retrofit service but the price point is too high to get people on board...

What is your price point you need to be at ?

[Limited360]

What is your price point you need to be at ?


For me to come ahead and not lose money...

You supply OEM housings + $350

Or I procure ebay Housings... $600

That would be a ball park range. I will be selling my retrofits for $300 in the spring as I want to make some new ones this winter, my lenses have internal issues, so not perfect parts.

I am going to attempt the fog lamp retrofit soon tho

[capt512]

I think you would have to see what members would pay.... I can't imagine most paying over $250 total...so materials would have to be cut in half just to break even with no labor cost.

[capt512]

I second limited as far as having done my own retrofit and thinking $600 min with lights, or 350 without and that's still making very little to no labor at all. I will also be attempting a foglight retro very very soon and TRS is actually making a better light for us for that.

[FastMerc]

[QUOTE=ctrlraven;1325307]Yep. I normally use Ultra Black rtv as it is what I keep around the shop for other projects. The H10 bulb lock tabs have to be trimmed to fit into the H1 housing. Only takes a few mins to do, if you do it just right the bulb will stay firmly in place without any silicone applied.


I looked at my HIDs what tab are you talking about?

[fastblackmerc]

[QUOTE=ctrlraven;1325307]Yep. I normally use Ultra Black rtv as it is what I keep around the shop for other projects. The H10 bulb lock tabs have to be trimmed to fit into the H1 housing. Only takes a few mins to do, if you do it just right the bulb will stay firmly in place without any silicone applied.


I looked at my HIDs what tab are you talking about?

The tabs that makes the bulb fit into the housing. I believe I have a picture somewhere. In my forum maybe.

[fastblackmerc]

Here it is:

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71964

[Limited360]

I second limited as far as having done my own retrofit and thinking $600 min with lights, or 350 without and that's still making very little to no labor at all. I will also be attempting a foglight retro very very soon and TRS is actually making a better light for us for that.

That is basically making no $$$ hence I decided not to offer the service.

My thoughts are thats its worth more actually, the night vision with Bi-Xenon HID's is amazing, not to mention when looking out a tinted front window! :banana2:

Let me know what projectors your talking about for the fogs, I know I saw some micro ones, but not on TRS.

[capt512]

The projectors are still gonna be sold by TRS, but the reason they took the matchbox off is they made another projector that is supposed to have a much increase light output, more shroud selections, similar size, but uses H1 Morimoto Mini technology. Supposed to be same price, and supposed to be up on website any day now.
As soon as they pop up I will be purchasing.

[capt512]

The matchbox projectors are back available. The listing looks the same however I have been informed they are upgraded. They will offer more shrouds in the future but don't right now. I will be purchasing tommorow.

[fastblackmerc]

The matchbox projectors are back available. The listing looks the same however I have been informed they are upgraded. They will offer more shrouds in the future but don't right now. I will be purchasing tommorow.

I assume you just get the housings? You still need to purchase bulbs and ballasts, correct?

Too rich for me at $120.00 + .............

[capt512]

That is correct, these projector retrofits are not cheap. The headlights ran me just a little under $300 without headlight housings. I am using the DDM ballasts for now that I already had running my fogs, which leaves bulbs and housings to buy so the Fog retro will run a little under $200 for me.

[capt512]

Just paid $143.73 for the projectors and bulbs (already have DDM ballasts) shipped. Just giving an idea of cost.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Nice. Post pics of new projectors before and after install please.

[capt512]

Soooo time for an update. I started install last night of one of the projectors in the housing. It is doable. However this is NOT for the faint of heart. The headlight projectors were fairly easy, just a matter of getting stuff lined up mostly. The fogs are not that way. You will have to remove about 90% of the existing housing metal to use these and the metal that the housings are made of is very tough. Dremel with sanding disks, grinding disks, cutting disks, and almost nothing will cut into it. Very hard material. Spent 6+ hours on one...still not completly done.

[fastblackmerc]

Soooo time for an update. I started install last night of one of the projectors in the housing. It is doable. However this is NOT for the faint of heart. The headlight projectors were fairly easy, just a matter of getting stuff lined up mostly. The fogs are not that way. You will have to remove about 90% of the existing housing metal to use these and the metal that the housings are made of is very tough. Dremel with sanding disks, grinding disks, cutting disks, and almost nothing will cut into it. Very hard material. Spent 6+ hours on one...still not completly done.

If you figure in what you'd have to charge for your labor (which isn't even complete), it makes these a money losing proposition for someone to offer these for sale. No one will want to spend $500.00+ for a set of fog lights.

[capt512]

I don't know what Lightwerks charges but materials are around 200 for projectors, bulbs, harness, etc. Labor is intensive though...unless I am missing some vital tip...so I tend to agree that making these for sale is a bad proposition

[burt ragio]

Soooo time for an update. I started install last night of one of the projectors in the housing. It is doable. However this is NOT for the faint of heart. The headlight projectors were fairly easy, just a matter of getting stuff lined up mostly. The fogs are not that way. You will have to remove about 90% of the existing housing metal to use these and the metal that the housings are made of is very tough. Dremel with sanding disks, grinding disks, cutting disks, and almost nothing will cut into it. Very hard material. Spent 6+ hours on one...still not completly done.

What bulbs did you use ? Instead of dremel use a hole saw drill bit.
I don't understand why everyone is complaining about the cost of a quality projectors bulbs & ballasts. We have all spent more on many other projects. The 1st job is alearning curve the second always goes easier. I bet everyone has out driven the night vision of their headlights at one time or another. You can't put a price tag on safety.

[capt512]

I picked the wrong bulbs at first, but now have H1s on the way. I tried a hole saw bit but it bounced all around on the back and was near impossible to use. So I used a different cutting blade on dremel on the second one and it wasn't near as bad. Biggest thing is the side wings of the projector stick out too far so you have to dremel around them as well.
Second one is much easier so far. I wanted the projectors to give me even more light, I'm a big light guy though as well as have problems driving at night.

[Limited360]

I picked the wrong bulbs at first, but now have H1s on the way. I tried a hole saw bit but it bounced all around on the back and was near impossible to use. So I used a different cutting blade on dremel on the second one and it wasn't near as bad. Biggest thing is the side wings of the projector stick out too far so you have to dremel around them as well.
Second one is much easier so far. I wanted the projectors to give me even more light, I'm a big light guy though as well as have problems driving at night.

Yeah my tinted windshield drives me to having amazing lighting. Upgrading my headlamp projectors from 35w to 55w HID's now as well as 55w fog lamps, however I think ill only use those when needed as I'm sure they will be bright. I'm gonna attempt a retrofit on an old set of Foglights over the winter


Post some pics of work progress :)

[capt512]

Here are some progress pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194338.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194338.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194349.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194349.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194515.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194515.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194520.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194520.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194541.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194541.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_194600.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_194600.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_211451.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_211451.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_211453.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_211453.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_211502.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_211502.jpg.html)

[capt512]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_211942.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_211942.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_211949.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_211949.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_212846.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_212846.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130915_212853.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130915_212853.jpg.html)


Wrong Bulb!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130916_124825.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130916_124825.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130918_132728.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130918_132728.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130918_132732.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130918_132732.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130918_132746.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130918_132746.jpg.html)

[fastblackmerc]

I don't understand why everyone is complaining about the cost of a quality projectors bulbs & ballasts. We have all spent more on many other projects. The 1st job is alearning curve the second always goes easier. I bet everyone has out driven the night vision of their headlights at one time or another. You can't put a price tag on safety.:flamer:

I wasn't complaining about the cost.... just said that no one would pay over $500.00 for foglights if you were to make and sell them.

[Limited360]

Thanks for pics. In totally doing this when I do my new retrofit in headlamps later this year

[Limited360]

Will you be utilizing the high beam function of these projectors? Just curious. I'm a light guru like you!

[capt512]

I had considered it...but IDK if there is a purpose of doing such. My understanding is it is illegal in my state to have the fogs and high beams on so :(

[Limited360]

I had considered it...but IDK if there is a purpose of doing such. My understanding is it is illegal in my state to have the fogs and high beams on so :(

Illegal in all of USA per DOT rules. Hence all USA spec cars shut em off with high beams.

Regardless I am going to do this!

[lji372]

I don't know what Lightwerks charges but materials are around 200 for projectors, bulbs, harness, etc. Labor is intensive though...unless I am missing some vital tip...so I tend to agree that making these for sale is a bad proposition

Do you have access to a portable plasma cutter? Maybe find a local fabricator who has one. It'll cut like butter;)

[burt ragio]

I picked the wrong bulbs at first, but now have H1s on the way. I tried a hole saw bit but it bounced all around on the back and was near impossible to use. So I used a different cutting blade on dremel on the second one and it wasn't near as bad. Biggest thing is the side wings of the projector stick out too far so you have to dremel around them as well.
Second one is much easier so far. I wanted the projectors to give me even more light, I'm a big light guy though as well as have problems driving at night.

When I have not been able to use the bit in a hole saw to start I would take a piece of wood say 1x2 one ft long. Then drill a pilot hole in the wood with the needed size hole saw bit. I would then use it as a guide to steady the hole saw drill bit. Works like a charm every time.

[burt ragio]

:flamer:

I wasn't complaining about the cost.... just said that no one would pay over $500.00 for foglights if you were to make and sell them.

Yes Jim $500. for retro fit projector fog lights there wouldn't be a line at the door. A project like that is personalized customizing. Projector headlights would be another story.

[Limited360]

Yes Jim $500. for retro fit projector fog lights there wouldn't be a line at the door. A project like that is personalized customizing. Projector headlights would be another story.

Always will be someone willing to pay... :)

[Limited360]

Post some pics of them once you get em on, really curious to see how the beam pattern turns out that close to the ground

[Invader]

Some of these projector mods are actually quite easy for a DIYer, however the cost is prohibitive I would imagine for even a vendor. I spent a little over $400 for my headlight kit just on parts... then you figure labor would be atleast another $100. So thats $500 period, and most aren't willing to pay that for headlights. To get in the consideration range I think prices would have to be closer to $200-250 complete and I doubt even a vendor could go near that cheap.

I disagree, OEM headlight are $330.00 new from FORD. $500.00 would be a fair price. Which brings us back to, "If you can't afford a Marauder, you should of bought a CV!" Just my .02 worth!

[Limited360]

I disagree, OEM headlight are $330.00 new from FORD. $500.00 would be a fair price. Which brings us back to, "If you can't afford a Marauder, you should of bought a CV!" Just my .02 worth!

$500 isn't even break even on parts for me. $330 for lamps, $300 for 55w projector setup with 55w bulbs...

$630 investment in parts alone...

[Invader]

$500 isn't even break even on parts for me. $330 for lamps, $300 for 55w projector setup with 55w bulbs...

$630 investment in parts alone...

I was using that as an example. I'm sure if you suppled the headlights and someone said hey I can convert those for $500.00 that would still be a fair price.

[Limited360]

I was using that as an example. I'm sure if you suppled the headlights and someone said hey I can convert those for $500.00 that would still be a fair price.

Valid point.

Selling my retrofit headlamps very soon, with spare bulbs for $450. Lenses aren't perfect. But maybe someone will bite.

Going to order new hardware to do a Foglight retrofit along with a headlamp retrofit!

[capt512]

Lights in, still have to aim. Took pictures but photobucket is all messed up right now, so will upload later.

[Limited360]

Lights in, still have to aim. Took pictures but photobucket is all messed up right now, so will upload later.

I look forward to those!

If fogs can repeat this output I'm in to make a set!

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/24/a7agejuj.jpg

[capt512]

lol heck I don't even know if my headlights put out that much light! I'm doubting as much output as headlights due to smaller lens but here is some installed shots. Will do night shots after aiming.

Sealed light in to prevent water
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130922_160407.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130922_160407.jpg.html)

Installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130923_112307.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130923_112307.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130923_112426.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130923_112426.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130923_115501.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130923_115501.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130923_115637.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130923_115637.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130923_115708.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130923_115708.jpg.html)

[Limited360]

I do like it...

That just looks great cause I finally used a tripod with long exposure on a decent camera.


Now that's a cell phone picture

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/24/ve6eqade.jpg

[capt512]

lol ah that's more like it lol

[Limited360]

lol ah that's more like it lol

Thought you'd agree. Those are 55w fogs... Kinda rude hence I want to do projectors down there as well

[capt512]

The fogs aren't near what that 55w picture showed. Pro - They don't blind people. Con - Don't throw all that much light :( Here are some pictures. Tried aiming them up but no luck.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_001745.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_001745.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_001800.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_001800.jpg.html)
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_001857.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_001857.jpg.html)

[capt512]

Both headlights and fogs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_002029.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_002029.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_002151.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_002151.jpg.html)


High beams headlights only
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_002158.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_002158.jpg.html)

Headlights only
'http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_002212.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_002212.jpg.html)

Headlights and fogs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/capt512/20130924_002308.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/capt512/media/20130924_002308.jpg.html)

[Limited360]

hmmmm Output isn't that great... I wonder why...

Maybe I will be sticking with my blinding lights for now ;)

I do plan on going 55w in the projector headlamps soon, redoing my retrofit with some better shrouds and higher quality projectors.

[capt512]

I don't know why but the output is definetly not very good. I thought about putting some spacers in the screws to aim them up some, but honestly they aren't very bright it seems no matter the direction.

[Limited360]

Still a standard projector inside right? Flat cut off line is all from what I can tell... Kinda odd they aren't that bright, things should be blinding below the cutoff line. Wonder if the fog light glass is doing something odds...

Take em off the car and point em at the wall and take a pic of what the beam pattern looks like ;) or pull up close to a wall. Wonder if bulb 'filament' is not in correct location in projector housing... Yes I know it's not a filament

[ctrlraven]

Think of it this way: if you were to lay a flash light on the ground most of the lighting will shine on the ground surface, if you brought it straight up the lighting range has changed and the light will spread out more. Also the fact that the foglight housing is recessed into the bumper and has covered area all around it. The headlight housing is angled with the top sitting behind the bottom so there really isn't much to block any of the light pattern spread.

My 08 Taurus has halogen projector foglight units (which I upgraded and put an a HID PnP kit), it has a defined cut off line and most of the light pattern spread sits directly behind the bottom of the headlight pattern spread.

[capt512]

Still a projector inside, but even with them out of the bumper they didn't look all that bright to me. I put the XB35 H1 Morimoto bulbs in this time because they were top of the line, and supposed to work better, but not that impressed.
I also wonder about the thick foglight glass causing problems.
Bulb went in the only way it can :(
Cut off line isn't very good at all, looks more like a hotspot.
Raven - I thought about the same thing, figured angling them up would help but didn't do much.
I also thought about the recessed lighting causing cutoff issues.


I really would like to see how the ones lightwerks did look when on.

[Limited360]

Did some research on that projector... out put looks like crap compared to other projectors from same company. Wonder why its so bad...

[capt512]

Not sure, looks like only other option would be to try and find a projector that is being factory installed for HID fogs and try to retrofit it. Definetly couldn't go to a fullsize projector in our fogs, they have no depth, even with the back cut out.