Article on the 300

[dwasson]

Here's a good article on the Chrysler 300 through the ages.

Beautiful Brute (http://www.techcentralstation.com/032404D.html)

[O's Fan Rich]

Sales talk. As well as the buyers real life experiences.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the new Mustangs sell, personally.

[Ross]

Well, I don't know much about that car yet, but then, I knew almost nothing about my MM when I got it. I'm at least happy that an American auto maker is making a RWD V8. I haven't seen the specs on it, so I don't know if I'd call it a "full size" car like the MM, which I prefer. However, if it turned out to be a powerful, RWD, V8, full size American car, I could see myself considering one. I would love to see Chrysler return to its roots when it produced most of the big, fast LE cars used in this country.

[Haggis]

... I would love to see Chrysler return to its roots when it produced most of the big, fast LE cars used in this country.


True Chrysler is orignally a German name. J/K with a Ross.

Ein Grosse bier bitte!! :beer:

[Ross]

Ein Grosse bier bitte!! :beer:

Ein grosse dunkel bier bitte! :beer:

[MAD-3R]

I've been looking at the 300 C for years, sence I saw the concept.

Prediction.

It will be a slower car off the line then ours, Stock for Stock. With the 18" wheeles we both carry, they come stock with 2.32 rear gears while we have 3.55.

I want to test drive one when they come in. I am intrgued. And I don't think they are ugly. Chrysler has always been abit out there in style, and I like a bold aggresive look.

[metroplex]

The 300 grille looks too out of place.

[Ross]

I checked out the specs on the 300, and the Chrysler website didn't show a model with an available V8. Maybe that's still just a concept? Also checked out the specs as opposed to the MM. While the 300 is only an inch and a half shorter in the wheelbase (113" vs. 114.7"), it is more than a foot shorter overall (197.8" vs. 212"). It looks like this is going to be another modern mid sized car posing as a full sized car. This is a disturbing trend to me, as Tauruses, Camrys, Maximas and other cars are now calling themselves "full sized sedans" when in fact they are nothing of the sort.

[MAD-3R]

The interior deminsions are less then one inch in headroom, leg room, and hip room.

And it weight almost 200 lb's less.

[Ross]

I can see where this car would be attractive in a powered up version to someone who doesn't necessarily want the full length of the MM. I am just one of those old die hards who are fighting to keep the true full size cars alive and well.

[one bad dakota]

I sat in one, both front and back and looked at the trunk. The front seating is ample. I'm a big boy and the shoulder,hip,leg, and head room were fine for me. The rear seat is where the space is slightly less than the Marauder. With the front seat all the way back my knees would hit while sitting in the back. I would have the front seat up more If I were driving(6' 1"). This gave me about 2 inches between my knees and the front seat. The trunk I felt was pretty good. It went deep although I don't think it is as wide as the Marauder. My head didn't touch in the rear seat as well. That's something that is particularly important to me. It seems most cars have that area sloped down mandating that you kink your neck slightly forward.:bigcry: I thought the interior plastics,dash etc. were superb. Far better than anything else I've seen from Chrysler. The wheelbase being so close to the M doesn't surprise me. They pushed the wheels out to the corners. I like the look it provides and helps handling.

It will be a slower car off the line then ours, Stock for Stock. With the 18" wheeles we both carry, they come stock with 2.32 rear gears while we have 3.55.I feel the opposite will be true. You have to remember that the first gear in this car is around 3.4 and 2nd is 2.4. I think 3rd is 1.5x followed by the 1:1 4th and overdrive 5th. That will make up for those tall rear gears. We're also talking about 90 more TQ and 1.1L more of displacement. I feel a freeway race would make things closer. Of course it's all speculation at this point, but if I had to guess I would say 14.6-14.7 @95-97 MPH initially-mag time. When broken in, with a good shoe, and some decent air I'd say 14.2 @98. That's my benchracing prediction.:burnout:
Tom

[SergntMac]

14.2 eh? Not bad for a Plymouth in high heels...

[dwasson]

Chrysler's brochure says 0-60 in 5.3 seconds.

[deerejoe]

Gosh...NO flames YET regarding the 'foreigner' in our midst!!

Anyhoo...I pre-date the 300 series cars and yes, they were fast but none were fuel efficient.

One of many likes about my MM is the fact I can WOT this baby and NOT see the fuel guage take a dive south!! It is incredibly fuel efficient given it's 'kick-in-the butt performance capability.

I have owned several high performance Chrysler Corp. autos and NONE have been bashful when it comes to fuel consumption.
Hopefully, the 4 cylinder wean off at speed remarked about in the article will be an improvement over the 4-6-8 fiasco of the old Cadillac's designs.

Fuel costs (in those days) versus today's and the tomorrow's to come demand a greater appreciation of real world fuel efficiency.

[one bad dakota]

My understanding is that this car will be the first from DC to offer cylinder deactivation. At normal throttle it will only be going on 4 cylinders. Increasing the throttle will call all 8 cylinders into play. Supposedly the transition is seamless for those who have drove it. I know Cadillac first tried this with less than desireable results. I'm told the new technology for this is will make it a reality for all the big 3. It should start showing up on many other models as well.
Tom

[2003 MIB]

Gosh...NO flames YET regarding the 'foreigner' in our midst!!

I'm not surprised. Tom's got some interesting things to say. He's not Marauder-bashing or whatever...I'd like to know more about the 300. It doesn't appeal to me (styling-wise) like my Merc. but it does offer a RWD alternative and what's a little bench racing amoung friends? tell us anything else you know about the 300, Tom....

-Dan

[deerejoe]

The 'foreigner' referred to was the 300...NOT Tom.
I too like refreshing new items for a change.

Ford had their 'flat head' days...
GM with their 'small blocks'...
and Chrysler refining the 'Hemi'...all the American brands that set young men drooling and devising ways to make 'em go faster!!

Whats next on the horizon...hopping up a 'Hybrid'??

[RCSignals]

The 300 does not appeal to me in any way either. I welcome it though as a new RWD passenger car on the market, and hope that it further stimulates Ford and General Motors to develop more

[SergntMac]

Ford had their 'flat head' days...GM with their 'small blocks'...and Chrysler refining the 'Hemi'...all the American brands that set young men drooling and devising ways to make 'em go faster!
Ummm...Hemi's were never that popular. They required a lot of fine tuning, and it was a rare moment one could get them to be competitive. Yeah, they are part of our "muscle car" history okay, but as much a part of that as the Avanti. Let's not go overboard with the nostalgia, AIRI, Hemis were 1 out of 50, and I can't remember any MOPAR shoot-outs at the track. Young men may have shared some "personal moisture" over the Hemi engine, but it was more pizz as in pizzed off, than drool...

[one bad dakota]

Ummm...Hemi's were never that popular. They required a lot of fine tuning, and it was a rare moment one could get them to be competitive. Yeah, they are part of our "muscle car" history okay, but as much a part of that as the Avanti. Let's not go overboard with the nostalgia, AIRI, Hemis were 1 out of 50, and I can't remember any MOPAR shoot-outs at the track. Young men may have shared some "personal moisture" over the Hemi engine, but it was more pizz as in pizzed off, than drool...I don't want this thread to get highjacked,but are you serious? The hemi was like any other solid cammed, carbed motor. They ALL required tuning regardless of brand. They dominated at the drag strip and Nascar until they were banned by Nascar. Do you even realize that that some of the stock classes don't even have anything else in them but hemis. No one else is even competitive. Those cars are by far the fastest of all the stockers. The're in the 8s!
I enjoy all old muscle cars and have my own personal favorites in all the brands, form Chevelles to Camaros to mustangs. I don't diminish any of their respective accomplishments, but to simple brush aside the hemi legacy is sacrilege!
Tom<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[SergntMac]

I don't want this thread to get highjacked...
Not a highjack my friend, and I'm not brushing anything aside. Just keeping the perspective focused, and the air clear.

[martyo]

Mac: I just bought a Hemi powered vehicle. I pick it up tomorrow. Will you still be my friend?

[SergntMac]

Mac: I just bought a Hemi powered vehicle. I pick it up tomorrow. Will you still be my friend?
Sure thing Marty! 1 out of 50 I meet become friends.

[deerejoe]

I wonder if DON GARLITS is looking on??
I'm sure he would have a few good words regarding the Hemi.

[martyo]

Sure thing Marty! 1 out of 50 I meet become friends.
Phew!!!! I was worried there for a second!

[one bad dakota]

The Magnum RT is essentially the same car but in a sport wagon configuration. It looks to have plenty of utility and a 3500lb tow rating-makes it a lot easier to justify to the wife.;) In Detroit, everyone copies everyone else. If these two entries really catch on, I can easily forsee Ford and GM putting greater emphasis on bringing a RWD V8 sedan to market. I believe ther is a solid market for this type of vehicle if the price is kept in the low $30s.
That brings us back full circle to why the Marauder didn't sell well. I believe it was due to appearance, performance, and marketing. The lincoln name is too closely associated with the elder population. It's thus hard to bring in perspective young buyers. They already have some preconceived bias all ready. The perception was that it was not quick enough. Due to its modest lowend TQ, the perception was that it was not much faster than a Grand M. The bar had been raised since the SS days. Now you had V6 Altimas, Accords, and Camrys putting down solid performance numbers.
Lastly, I think its looks hurt it. I know full well its mechanical underpinnings, but lets face it, it's a Grand M. with a monochromeatic paint scheme and nice wheels.
IMO, for this car to do well, it needed to become a cult car like the SS. For it to become that it needed more motor and actually live up to that neck brace add. I still believe Ford is making a mistake in axing it. I would sell my Regal GS and my 10 second Dakota if they would drop in the 03 Cobra motor. That's what it needed: a real butt kicker with frightening potential. There's your cult car!
Tom

[Ross]

As far as this business of running on 4 cylinders at low throttle and all 8 at high throttle, I wonder what that will do to sitting at a red light at idle (4 cylinders) and punching it when you take off. How quick will that changeover from 4 to 8 take place? Long enough for a rice boy to beat this thing?

[2003 MIB]

This Dodge intrigues me. I'll keep the Marauder but something for the wife and kids that isn't a minivan or SUV is probably in my future.:)

[SergntMac]

Phew!!!! I was worried there for a second!
Wait a minute...Don't you own two Hemi powered automobiles now?

[RCSignals]

Actually Mac is correct about the Hemi. In the "real world" outside of racing, he is absolutely correct.
Also, it wasn't Chrysler that refined the Hemi, it was the aftermarket and people like Donovan.
A friend of mine was a Chrysler dealer in the so called "heyday" of the Hemi. He says they sold, and people ordered very few muscle cars" equipped with the Hemi. In fact when they had one in they were hard to sell.

We can be nostalgic all we like about the Hemi, but then there is reality.

[martyo]

Wait a minute...Don't you own two Hemi powered automobiles now?
Nope. Just the one.

[duhtroll]

OK Dakota, I just have to set some things straight --

[QUOTE=one bad dakota]If these two entries really catch on, I can easily forsee Ford and GM putting greater emphasis on bringing a RWD V8 sedan to market. I believe ther is a solid market for this type of vehicle if the price is kept in the low $30s.

You mean like they have been doing for decades? Or am I imagining all of those years of RWD sedans from Ford?


[Quote] That brings us back full circle to why the Marauder didn't sell well. I believe it was due to appearance, performance, and marketing.
Lastly, I think its looks hurt it. I know full well its mechanical underpinnings, but lets face it, it's a Grand M. with a monochromeatic paint scheme and nice wheels.

Funny, I believe it because it was never advertised. No one knows about it - even now. I think the looks are one of its most positive points. It's obvious that when it showed up on dealer lots even the dealers did not know what it was, and many still don't. We have extensive proof of this with ads showing Marauders listed as GMs, priced incorrectly, package labels when there are none, etc. (and I am aware that for the 03 year they were labeled GM Marauders)

If you knew anything about the MM and its predecessors you would know that the performance is right about where it should be for stock. It's right on par with that "cult car" you tout below, stock for stock, and the MM is much more car with better feel, quality, and styling.


[Quote] IMO, for this car to do well, it needed to become a cult car like the SS.

I think it's done surprisingly well given that almost 100% of its popularity has grown through word-of-mouth advertising. Also, you speak of it in the past tense for cult status? That's determined by time. The 90s SS had how many years of availability, and which years are the ones that are the "cult" cars you mention? The early models, or the '95 and '96s?

Look, you come on this board, tell us everything that is "wrong" with the car, and you don't even have your facts straight about the MM or that overhyped pushrod engine you keep mentioning. I'm not even a "car guy" and I seem to know more of this stuff than you do. People who don't know what they are talking about making harsh, uneducated statements about the MM are going to irritate lots of people on this board.

The ones that aren't just ignoring you, that is, which is exactly what I am doing from now on.

Please take it someplace else.

-Andrew

[metroplex]

That brings us back full circle to why the Marauder didn't sell well. I believe it was due to appearance, performance, and marketing. The lincoln name is too closely associated with the elder population. It's thus hard to bring in perspective young buyers. They already have some preconceived bias all ready. The perception was that it was not quick enough. Due to its modest lowend TQ, the perception was that it was not much faster than a Grand M. The bar had been raised since the SS days. Now you had V6 Altimas, Accords, and Camrys putting down solid performance numbers.

I think one reason why the Marauder didn't sell well was that a 98-00 Crown Vic (measly NPI 2V V8) with bolt-ons could give a BONE stock (and I mean a bone stock - off the showroom floor) Marauder a good run on the 1/4... which didn't impress the folks who were looking for that 94-96 Impala SS killer that Ford attempted to offer. Altho I hear it's true that as you break in a Marauder, it runs faster... (mid to high 14s stock from what I recall).

You run 14s or 15s N/A and no one really gives a crap at the track. You run 13s N/A or even supercharged and it raises some eyebrows (more so N/A in a 4200+ lb Panther) but the general reaction at the track when Russ ran 14 in his AED'd 99 CVPI was, "oh wow, what kinda mods you got? Oh, it's supercharged..." and this came from Impala SS's with a 6 speed stick, ***** load of bolt-ons, and that ran high 14s on the track that night.

So my theory is that the stock Marauder wasn't the Impala SS killer that Ford hoped it to be - and if you ask why do I bring up the SS? Well, when it was first coming out, the SS was the car that it compared itself to... I ***** you not. They lined up the specs for the SS vs the Marauder side by side in a magazine or internet article somewhere.

I don't know why Ford chose the 4.6L DOHC V8, but during its early developmental stages (way way way before Mercury Marauder.net was established) I heard rumors that the 4.6L DOHC V8 was a more high-tech engine, something similar in name to the Northstar V8 (4.6L DOHC V8) so that it might attract ppl interested in the 300 hp Caddy Northstar engines, etc... but Paul (TurboVic) repeatedly spanked the Marauders with his N/A 2V 4.6 V8 when some of the folks who worked on the Marauder brought 'em to California. Again this was wayyyy before mm.net was established.

I see that there's no JOB 1 for the 2005 Marauder, I was hoping Ford would change the platform a little and possibly go with forced induction from the get-go or something with more horsepower w/ a factory warranty. I would have liked a dark dark blue Marauder w/ 350+ hp. :D

BTW - from far away, the middle silver Mercury logo makes it look like a Buick :lol: I saw a black one the other day down in Madison Heights but once I saw the familiar 98-up Panther shape I knew it wasn't a Buick. :)

[stevengerard]

I don't know guys I tried a few Impala's last year. I liked there looks and liked the fact they had lots of cubic inches with lots of mods available. Not only did they feel slower than the MM but I could never get over the fact that it felt like I was in a taxi. My mom has a Grand M and the MM seems farther away from that than an SS from a Taxi.

[RCSignals]

The Marauder is far more than just a Grand Marquis with a monochromatic paint job and nice wheels.
Anyone who says otherwise knows nothing at all about the Marauder.

and Metroplex, you're trolling, as usual. Of course you haven't liked the Marauder since it first came out. You like it here on this Marauder board though.

[SergntMac]

Metroplex...Bring your ***** to Indy July 30, 2004. Put up, or shut up, eh?

[deerejoe]

RCSignals:

I'm not a historian or a dealer guy that can quote data surrounding the Hemi equipped Mopar.
However, I can certainly reply as to my situation at the time of their (Hemi) public offerings...INSURANCE...under 25 years of age in my state that engine and most all comparable (percieved) high performance engines of the late 50s to late 60s was unavailable at ANY price. Without a parent or other responsible co-signer you were not able to get insurance!!

The BIAS against performance cars was mounting at each new model introduction.

As you may recall, the industry (GM) started "down playing" the big cubes and horsepower until the gasoline problems of the 70s dealt the final blows.

[metroplex]

The Marauder is far more than just a Grand Marquis with a monochromatic paint job and nice wheels.
Anyone who says otherwise knows nothing at all about the Marauder.

and Metroplex, you're trolling, as usual. Of course you haven't liked the Marauder since it first came out. You like it here on this Marauder board though.

Trolling? I'm just stating my observation. Ford marketed the Marauder as "Modern Muscle" and placed the Marauder specs side by side against the Impala SS. I'm not the one who was marketing the Marauder and failed to make it sell like hot cakes.

I wouldn't mind the interior from the Marauder as well as the sound system. I hate my split bench seats!



Metroplex...Bring your ***** to Indy July 30, 2004. Put up, or shut up, eh?

Oh really Corporal Mac? So you want me to drive to Indy for what? Did I ever state my car was faster than the Marauders with a few bolt-ons? NO. I simply stated that you could grab any 98-00 and add a few bolt-ons (spend a LOT less than $28k USD) and give a BONE STOCK OFF THE SHOWROOM MARAUDER a decent run on the 1/4. No one is going to slaughter the other in that scenario.

[SergntMac]

Oh really Corporal Mac?

Man...you ARE a wussy after all...LOL

[one bad dakota]

Actually Mac is correct about the Hemi. In the "real world" outside of racing, he is absolutely correct.
Also, it wasn't Chrysler that refined the Hemi, it was the aftermarket and people like Donovan.
A friend of mine was a Chrysler dealer in the so called "heyday" of the Hemi. He says they sold, and people ordered very few muscle cars" equipped with the Hemi. In fact when they had one in they were hard to sell.

We can be nostalgic all we like about the Hemi, but then there is reality.I'm not sure where your "real world" is, but in my father-in-law's world he used to clean up at the track with his street hemi. As did many of his buddies. Chrysler had many hemis before the racier 426 ever came into play. Refined it?LOL, the extent some will go not to give credit. About the only thing you could say was that they didn't invent it. I bet if you ask some of those GM and Ford racers, they could tell you how refined it was.;) About the only thing Donovan ,TFX, and Keith Black did were to copy the orginal 426 and make it beefier to handle Top Fuel and Funnycar duty.
The only thing I can agree with you is the low numbers sold and the price. But that's like any other high performance car. It will only appeal to a select few. Do you think that the hemi Dart, the quickest mass produced muscle car ever built, is somehow reduced in stature just because so few were purchased? Reality indeed...
Tom

[merc406]

HEMI's rock :rock: and so does the one I'm sittin on, ouch! :shot:

[one bad dakota]

You mean like they have been doing for decades? Or am I imagining all of those years of RWD sedans from Ford?Sorry for the confusion, Andrew, I was referring to performance sedans. I didn't consider any of Ford's recent offerings to be in that cateogory until the Marauder came out.

Funny, I believe it because it was never advertised. No one knows about it - even now. I think the looks are one of its most positive points. It's obvious that when it showed up on dealer lots even the dealers did not know what it was, and many still don't. We have extensive proof of this with ads showing Marauders listed as GMs, priced incorrectly, package labels when there are none, etc. (and I am aware that for the 03 year they were labeled GM Marauders) There is some truth to what you say. It's also why I included it in my analysis. The fact is a car that the public wants will sell itself. Everyone wants to believe it's always marketing. People are reluctant to critically analyze their own vehicle. The Ls1 guys say the same thing. The Camaro and Firebird are gone due to poor and/or minimal marketing.

If you knew anything about the MM and its predecessors you would know that the performance is right about where it should be for stock. It's right on par with that "cult car" you tout below, stock for stock, and the MM is much more car with better feel, quality, and stylingCorrect you are sir. In fact, the Marauder is a little better in performance. I remember all the slams you guys endured when the mags were getting low 15s out of it from the other boards. I was actually on their defending the car. I was pretty sure based on what I had seen from Cobras that the car should run a mid 14 @ 95 when broken in and some good air. I was eventually vindicated when someone did it. I believe it was somebody from this board, but I could be wrong on that. The problem is that it's not 1994 any more. The bar has been raised. When you've got V6 Altimas running better trap speeds and Accords and running similar numbers, there's an image problem.

Look, you come on this board, tell us everything that is "wrong" with the car, and you don't even have your facts straight about the MM or that overhyped pushrod engine you keep mentioning. I'm not even a "car guy" and I seem to know more of this stuff than you do. People who don't know what they are talking about making harsh, uneducated statements about the MM are going to irritate lots of people on this board.I don't think I'd use the word "wrong", just things I'd like to see a little different.( aside from the the things that I think are "right":))
Sorry If I got you all riled up,Andrew. It was not my intention. It's just a car, friend.:beer:

Tom

[TripleTransAm]

The problem is that it's not 1994 any more. The bar has been raised. When you've got V6 Altimas running better trap speeds and Accords and running similar numbers, there's an image problem.


As we discussed in another thread, if ETs and trap speeds is all you're looking for, neither the Marauder (in stock form) OR the Accord or Altima is the right choice. How many brand new Accords will you see at the track this year? Come on, answer honestly. That's all I ask. Now, please do the same with the Altima.

If straightline 1/4 mile performance is what you're looking for in evaluating a car, I ask: How many Accords and Altimas will see mid 12s this coming year? Again, please answer honestly.

Now, let's shift the focus to the Marauder and SS 1/4 mile comparison. We've already established that the Marauder can (with proper break in) run at least as hard if not harder than a vintage SS, with a more modern and more efficient drivetrain (I can say this because real life does not involve 100% WOT, a 1/4 mile at a time... in between all those track-outings, there's real world fuel consumption and emissions regulations, etc. to consider. There IS a reason the LT1 is not in production anymore...).

And yes, you're right... it IS 2004, not 1994. Again, I ask you to reach deep into your memory, let's say circa 1998. I remember the hottest Impalas of the day were *just* beginning to nudge the high high high 13s, with NOS and cam/valve/head/tuning changes. Hairy running beasts, as I recall having seen in person. All this for high 13s. And yet the Marauder, within 1 year of introduction, has seen mid 13s in docile streetable form with mere bolt-ons. And with a cash outlay a mere percentage of what was needed to get an Impala into the 13s, you can nudge the low 12s.

So where is the lack of progress in the RWD muscle category that is being spoken of? I really seek enlightenment on this, because the equations on my notepad don't seem to add up to the same results...

One point to make on marketing... if the car sold as well as it did with ZERO marketing, it's a testimony to the overall package. Consider the complete picture: dealers that have turned away prospective buyers due to price gouging, irritable attitude, unwillingness to deal with the buyer... and then look at how many owners repeatedly get stopped to ask "what the heck is this thing???". It's a vast vast market out there, and not many people know about this car. (I myself would never have known of its arrival in Canada if I had not been invited to attend the Montreal International Auto Show by the company that handled the logistics for the show, which is where I saw it in person for the first time).


Yep, it's just a car, I totally agree. And this is a car forum, where car discussions occur and different points of view are put forth for consideration by others.

[martyo]

Man...you ARE a wussy after all...LOL
Mac: Thanks for making me laugh so hard the soda I was drinking came out of my nose!

[Haggis]

Mac: Thanks for making me laugh so hard the soda I was drinking came out of my nose!


Thanks Marty, I just spit out mine!! :lol:

[metroplex]

Man...you ARE a wussy after all...LOL

A smart racer knows when to pick his races. Your $30k+ KB Marauder S w/ a mod list 30 times longer than what most boards would allow is obviously faster than my measly 00 Vic. LOL :rock:

[RCSignals]

I'm not sure where your "real world" is, but in my father-in-law's world he used to clean up at the track with his street hemi. As did many of his buddies. Chrysler had many hemis before the racier 426 ever came into play. Refined it?LOL, the extent some will go not to give credit. About the only thing you could say was that they didn't invent it. I bet if you ask some of those GM and Ford racers, they could tell you how refined it was.;) About the only thing Donovan ,TFX, and Keith Black did were to copy the orginal 426 and make it beefier to handle Top Fuel and Funnycar duty.
The only thing I can agree with you is the low numbers sold and the price. But that's like any other high performance car. It will only appeal to a select few. Do you think that the hemi Dart, the quickest mass produced muscle car ever built, is somehow reduced in stature just because so few were purchased? Reality indeed...
Tom

Yes. You'd better go back and slowly re-read sgt mac's post and my post. You seem to be blinded by the Hemi

[SHERIFF]

The reason the Marauder didn't sell well is BECAUSE......

1) the people that were attracted to it, like Metroplex for example, couldn't afford one.

and.....

2) the same people as in #1, who were usually driving Crown Victorias and the Grand Marquis to begin with, weren't allowed much of anything on a trade-in towards a new Marauder.

That's my two cents worth.

[SergntMac]

A smart racer knows when to pick his races. Your $30k+ KB Marauder S w/ a mod list 30 times longer than what most boards would allow is obviously faster than my measly 00 Vic. LOL
Aweshucksnow, y'all got me kicking my toe in the sand, like I'm standing next to a real puurrdy lady...

I am.

[jgc61sr2002]

The reason the Marauder didn't sell well is BECAUSE......

1) the people that were attracted to it, like Metroplex for example, couldn't afford one.

and.....

2) the same people as in #1, who were usually driving Crown Victorias and the Grand Marquis to begin with, weren't allowed much of anything on a trade-in towards a new Marauder.

That's my two cents worth.


I definitely agree with # 2. The Mercury dealers were going to give me 12 K on a 7,000 GM with the handling package that was 2 1/2 yrs new. :down: