Looking for a car for my 17 yr old...

[sflrainmaker01]

Hey, I was wonder if you all could offer any input or suggestions on some car choices for my 17 year old daughter.
NO IMPORTS!
I know what you all are thinking! I already tried to maneuver the fleet so I could try to go get me a Trilogy or already Eaton Swapped Marauder, but the wife is insistent on keeping it smaller than a Panther :rolleyes:, so I already tried that!:P So, I was thinking Cavalier, Focus, Escort, Neon, PT Cruiser, Escape, Taurus, Malibu, Mustang. Late 90's T-Bird also crossed my mind. Would like something with decent gas mileage, if possible. But, price and dependability are first priority. Any other ideas? Or experiences or things to watch out for with the above?

[whitey]

Get something safe and cheap/easy to fix for a first car, most people will wreck their first car...me included. Also, let her choose it out, that way she will respect it more than a car she didnt even want.

[L.Mark]

You'll want to take the Neon off your list then...had one, was good at first then one thing after another was needing replaced. AND it had no OD, so gas mileage was *****y...

[sflrainmaker01]

Get something safe and cheap/easy to fix for a first car, most people will wreck their first car...me included. Also, let her choose it out, that way she will respect it more than a car she didnt even want.

Exactly. I've seen so many people rush out and buy their kids new cars just to have them get wrecked! :shake: I do plan on having her come with me and check out a few. I just want to weed out the bad one's first so the list is a little smaller.

[Mr. Man]

Something that doesn't fit more than a few friends, is slow, and has a good crash rating.

How new are you thinking?

[whitey]

Id personally wouldn't throw out all imports, a Hyundai tiberon might be a nice little car....its sporty and cute to a girl, 2 seats so nothing can happen in a back seat, and it's slow.

[sflrainmaker01]

Something that doesn't fit more than a few friends, is slow, and has a good crash rating.

How new are you thinking?

I agree. She wants a four door but I think that is inviting too many distractions. :rolleyes:
I am thinking mid-nineties to mid 2000's.

[sflrainmaker01]

Id personally wouldn't throw out all imports, a Hyundai tiberon might be a nice little car....its sporty and cute to a girl, 2 seats so nothing can happen in a back seat, and it's slow.

My parents and grandparents worked all their lives with FOMOCO and GM. I made a point never to own an import. Period.

And it's worked out so far! :beer:

[WhatsUpDOHC]

I'm going to wrap my daughter in steel. CV or GM. Remove passenger and rear seats and disable 4 of 8 cylinders.

[fastblackmerc]

Exactly. I've seen so many people rush out and buy their kids new cars just to have them get wrecked! :shake: I do plan on having her come with me and check out a few. I just want to weed out the bad one's first so the list is a little smaller.

IMHO - on
That is the reason why kids wreck their cars.... because their parents buy it for them. If they had to get a job to pay for the car, insurance, tax and gas they are more likely to take care of it.... mommy and daddy buy one and if I wreck it no problem.... mommy and daddy will buy me another one!
IMHO - off

[Motorhead350]

Daddy bought me mine brand new, I still drive it to this day. Everyone's argument is invalid.

Nothing wrong with Imports, there is something wrong with being closed mind however.

[cobrakid]

What about a mark 8 it's smaller than the panther chassis


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[99SVT]

4.6 v8 tbird, driveline parts are very dependable. Npi head 4.6, 4r70, 8.8irs, compatible with mustang / crown vic parts. Doesn't make enough power to damage anything and built like a tank.

It was my 1st car and it worked out very well.

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[sflrainmaker01]

Daddy bought me mine brand new, I still drive it to this day. Everyone's argument is invalid.


Nothing wrong with Imports, there is something wrong with being closed mind however.

That is nice. But, there is something wrong with me because I don't want her in a Honda or whatever?

fastblackmerc, I totally agree. That is why all three of my kids have "put some skin in the game" as far as their cars go. So, far, it has worked great!

cobrakid, I thought about that, but we were thinking something with a little less power.

99SVT, that is what I was thinking. 3.8 or 4.6 in a T-Bird. I think either engine would be dependable and reliable. A little more gas $$ though.

[gpfarrell]

No imports? It's an old line, but skip the MM because they were built in Canada. Most Accords were built in Ohio though. I just got a 2014 Fiesta ST... I think it was designed I the UK and built in Mexico. So the whole "no import" thing in big print is a bit simple.

Oh, Fusion/Mystique.

[Merrill]

An insurance company article I read years ago made some good points. A small pickup ( s-10 or Ranger) manual trans. Firstly, full frame so crashworthy, can only haul one passenger so less distractions and manual trans forces you to pay more attention. The 4.6 t-bird is a great car, 3.8's had some head gasket problems.
As to imports or not I won't own a car from a foreign owned company, it matters where the money ends up. My .02

[sflrainmaker01]

No imports? It's an old line, but skip the MM because they were built in Canada. Most Accords were built in Ohio though. I just got a 2014 Fiesta ST... I think it was designed I the UK and built in Mexico. So the whole "no import" thing in big print is a bit simple.

Oh, Fusion/Mystique.

Isn't it a Ford?

Would it be better to say NO NISSAN, TOYOTA or HONDA, etc in big print?

Wow. How about just a simple help me out with buying a FORD, CHEVY or DODGE as mentioned in the opening post? :shake:

[sflrainmaker01]

An insurance company article I read years ago made some good points. A small pickup ( s-10 or Ranger) manual trans. Firstly, full frame so crashworthy, can only haul one passenger so less distractions and manual trans forces you to pay more attention. The 4.6 t-bird is a great car, 3.8's had some head gasket problems.
As to imports or not I won't own a car from a foreign owned company, it matters where the money ends up. My .02

Thank you, Merrill. I agree. That is the kind of info I am looking for. :beer:

[Guittard22]

What's the price range ? And side air bags is a + just in case

[sflrainmaker01]

What's the price range ? And side air bags is a + just in case

Under $4,000. Good point also! ;)

[gdsqdcr]

Could get a Taurus SHO, mid 90's. Stay away from the V8's, known for cam issues. The mid 90's can be had for 4k all day long.

I rolled one at 50mph and walked away and was not transported to the local hospital. I would average 19-21 in my commute, others (my wife) could get 22-23.

[jlangmaid]

I'm a firm believer in a lot of steel around you-how about a '73 buick electra 225? As a bonus you probably wouldn't have to worry about anyone wanting to ride with her :burnout:

Seriously, the t birds and cougars were great cars if you didn't need to drive in snow. If you go back to the late '80's the supercoupes and xr7s could be had with stick shift, and you can disable the supercharger (friend did it with his daughters) until they get a bit of experience. As a plus they're built heavy. The newer ('99 and up) cougars seem to be popular with the girls around here. They were offered with stick and 4 wheel db.

The contours and mystiques were pretty good, and svt made a version of the contour.

I've got a svt focus that I'm really happy with, and they're dependable if you keep up with the timing belts. Fairly simple to work on (other than clutch master). Comes with a getrag six speed and gets low 30's highway, upper 20's combined.

Escorts and rangers were both about bulletproof, as are the mustangs, particularly the 4.6's.

I'd avoid the pt cruisers as they had a host of issues. If you can find a neon acr they're pretty neat, but as someone already mentioned mileage and maintenance aren't great.

Chevy malibu's, pontiac grand ams/prixs were pretty solid cars as well-I had excellent luck with a malibu as a company pool car, and it pretty well had the stuffing kicked out of it and kept going.

My oldest turns 16 in march, but I was able to talk his mom into another marauder for him.

Good luck, and couldn't agree more on the imports/foreign sourced corps. Maybe not completely rational in a global world, but there needs to be a line in the sand somewhere! In any account, I've rarely been accused of rationality!

[whitey]

How about a geo?:lol: :P

Whatever you get her, make sure she likes it. Always a plus on the manual, i learned in a honda crx, and its something you never forget how to do....however i was guilty of driving a manual, smoking a cigarette and talking on the phone at the same time, so i wouldn't say it was safer, just more challenging.

[Mr. Man]

Things may have changed but trucks never had to meet the same safety requirements as cars.

[1Marauder]

First cars shape a persons driving skills for life. I advocate a clean Crown Vic, or a larger MId Size SUV. Teaches them size, space, parking skills etc... WALKING behind a vehicle BEFORE they get in and back up...

YES they may "round a corner off or two" but at least there wont be plastic pieces laying around. When I researched the CV for my son I found a ridiculous rating, something like; 5 Star rear crash rating at 65 MPH--only car to have one.
Boy or girl-- Nothing better than totaling a car and being able to walk away and cry in your father's arms.

That is my plan anyway...





I'm going to wrap my daughter in steel. CV or GM. Remove passenger and rear seats and disable 4 of 8 cylinders.

[TAKEDOWN]

Taurus interceptor

[lji372]

IMHO as much as it pains me

Any Saturn without a cvt transmission wouldn't be a bad idea.

I only say pains because I had one with a cvt :shake:

[TP Derrick D]

Hey, I was wonder if you all could offer any input or suggestions on some car choices for my 17 year old daughter.
NO IMPORTS!
I know what you all are thinking! I already tried to maneuver the fleet so I could try to go get me a Trilogy or already Eaton Swapped Marauder, but the wife is insistent on keeping it smaller than a Panther :rolleyes:, so I already tried that!:P So, I was thinking Cavalier, Focus, Escort, Neon, PT Cruiser, Escape, Taurus, Malibu, Mustang. Late 90's T-Bird also crossed my mind. Would like something with decent gas mileage, if possible. But, price and dependability are first priority. Any other ideas? Or experiences or things to watch out for with the above?





hey I like your thinking on the foreign cars but hey I'm FoMoCo true blue blood. I bought my grandson a 2000 4-door Focus when he was a senior in high school and yes what was posted earlier about not taking care of it and keeping people out of it came true. he didn't. He was supposed to have ONLY people I knew and approved in it and not let his friends sucker him into being their taxi. I was looking for a Ranger at first for the limited space but found the Focus for a good price,it had new tires and updated maintenance for the sellers granddaughter but she didn't like it so he sold it. kept the Focus for a year then I bought my mom a 2010 Taurus and he got her 2001 Taurus hand-me-down and I sold the Focus to my neighbor. He's still driving the Taurus. Panthers are too big for kids that age. He went to driving school and I took him out in my Marauder every evening to practice and he was always saying it was too big because the driving school had compact cars. He had a big problem with learning depth perception of the front end and how close/far he was from another vehicle and turning into parking spaces but he learned after I stayed with it. A 2-door Focus would be great for a 17 year old .

[sflrainmaker01]

Good stuff ALL! I appreciate the input! I suppose I should add Saturn to the list! A Crown Vic was my first choice (that got shot down with the TOO BIG for her theory), then, the late 90's T-Bird was next.

[Motorhead350]

That is nice. But, there is something wrong with me because I don't want her in a Honda or something with a little less power?
.

There is no point to reasoning with an unreasonable person.

This will be HER car, not yours.

Being that you are buying used, it does not matter where your money goes. Someone already bought the car new once.

[sflrainmaker01]

There is no point to reasoning with an unreasonable person.

This will be HER car, not yours.

Being that you are buying used, it does not matter where your money goes. Someone already bought the car new once.

1. You don't even know me. So, I would appreciate keeping on topic.
2. It will be more like OUR car. It's my car that she gets to use. Of course, she will have some input but if she don't like it, she can save her $$ and buy something else. Pretty sure it won't be an import.
3. Point taken. BUT, that doesn't mean I want one in my driveway. When she gets a job and can go buy her own car, then she can decide 100% on her own what she wants. Again, pretty sure it still won't be an import.

[whitey]

Seriously dom, you say closed minded...your being closed minded, understand that there are people with different mindsets than you. If he wants an American car, let him get an American car. I dont see the point in name calling, assumptions being made, and all around being an jerk to the man just because of his choices. Now when we all pick on you...thats a different story.:P

[L.Mark]

There is no point to reasoning with an unreasonable person.

This will be HER car, not yours.

Being that you are buying used, it does not matter where your money goes. Someone already bought the car new once.


Mid 80's cougars/thirds are solid and good in any weather conditions as well as being safe...got hit and spun three times in my old 88 cougar and came out with a stiff neck only...85-97 cougar/third is what I'm trying to find for my 17 yr old daughter...if you'll have snow unless its 4 wheel drive, a truck would,d not be good in snow for one just starting to drive...

[1 Bad Merc]

It's simple physics -biggest car wins in an accident!!!!! I would look for something a little bit larger and safer.

I would rather my kids have an uncool car and be mad at me (if they dont like it they can go and buy there own :) ) and me not worried about their safety as much as them being in some cool little car that I always have to be worried about them.

Remember new drivers pull alot of stupid moves and it is sometimes by the grace of God that they get away with it. For the times they don't I would rather have some larger sheet metal around them. Just my .02.

[EMAS]

Taurus, the bubble ones since they are less than attractive, are really cheap. Otherwise a 2000-2005 but get one with the Vulcan 3.0 they are bullet proof and easier to maintain and repair than the Duratec 3.0 and have a lot less HP. A 2000 Taurus is what I put my son in for his first car. It is a strippo and a bit beat up so no worries if he wrecked it. Since he ran it for a year w/o issues He'll be getting the GM I've been driving once I find the right Town Car.

[sflrainmaker01]

Seriously dom, you say closed minded...your being closed minded, understand that there are people with different mindsets than you. If he wants an American car, let him get an American car. I dont see the point in name calling, assumptions being made, and all around being an jerk to the man just because of his choices.

Thanks for the plug, Whitey! ;)

[sflrainmaker01]

Thanks for all the suggestions! I actually like the Ford Taurus. I was just a little concerned about the 4drs and her friends asking for rides and her to drive everywhere. Just seems like 3 or 4 teenage kids can be a big distraction! Whereas a T-Bird or Mustang (maybe) might be a little more uncomfortable than a four door.

Do you know what vin code identifies the Vulcan motor in the Taurus vs the Duratec? Isn't the Duratec a 24v?

[RubberCtyRauder]

Things to consider..not sure how Florida car insurance is or if you will insure as you primary driver or list your daughter as primary driver. A 2door or a mustang for younger adults tends to be high insurance. a 4-door will most ikely keep insurance premiums lower. I would check with your insurance agent for a premium estimate before committing.

[Mr. Man]

Thanks for all the suggestions! I actually like the Ford Taurus. I was just a little concerned about the 4drs and her friends asking for rides and her to drive everywhere. Just seems like 3 or 4 teenage kids can be a big distraction! Whereas a T-Bird or Mustang (maybe) might be a little more uncomfortable than a four door.

Do you know what vin code identifies the Vulcan motor in the Taurus vs the Duratec? Isn't the Duratec a 24v?This is where your resposibility as her dad steps in. If she drives it with more than X amount of friends w/o your or moms permission the car is driveway bound for X amount of time. Remind her the school bus still stops nearby. :)

[Bluerauder]

Consumer Reports did a write up on "Cars for Teen Drivers" >>>>>> http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/01/cars-for-teen-drivers/index.htm

The only three on the list that meet your "non-import" criteria are the Chevy Malibu, Ford Focus and Ford Fusion. These recommended cars only go back to about 2007-2008 timeframe and are in the $12-18K range. You will have to reach farther back than that to get close to your $4K limit.

My kids drove my '94 Ford Thunderbird and '89 Buick Regal before they got their own cars. BTW -- both got wrecked ..... just a little. ;)

When they got their own cars there were two (2) V6 Mustangs, a Mercury Mystique (Mistake) and a V6 Mercury Cougar. All were good cars for a teen from my perspective. As for curfews, passenger limitations, and driving behavior ..... that is something that you and the new driver will have to discuss.

I kinda like the idea of a 90s Thunderbird, Taurus or Crown Vic if you can find one in good shape. The V6 3.8 Liter Thunderbird did have a headgasket problem; but Ford fixed mine when it blew at 95,000 miles and replaced it with a new engine (remanufactured, I think).

[Comin' in Hot]

I have an 06 Buick Lucerne for work, 3.8L, 4 doors.... its a good solid car. I want something new, but unfortunately it will run forever.

[Kodimar]

If you go with a Focus make sure it's it has one of the DOHC motors. The SPI motor is a piece of junk.

I had really good luck with my '95 Taurus.

[EMAS]

The Vulcan's VIN code is 1 or 2 depending on whether it is a FFV version or not. The Duratec is the 24v version with a VIN of U and they often have the 24v badges on the front fender.

[slickster]

99 and up corollas with timing chains don't die 35mpg but not safe. IMO safety first for a greenhorn that loves a sell phone. So I'm thinking at least mid to full size that's not bad but not best on gas that's dependable. Btw I I've been buying and selling cars for 20years so I'm careful on what I put my money in. Toyota Avalon. Any gm 34 36 3800 motor cars. Honda crv. Toyota rav4. Toyota 4runner. Saturns are crap. 06 and under dodge cars and vans v6's are crap. 99 to 03 accord Acura tl odyssey v6 trans go bad a lot. If you want small get a timing chain corolla just watch your oil. I know you said no imports but this is my profession and I've been doing it since 12 and seen it all

[wickedmerc]

You'll want to take the Neon off your list then...had one, was good at first then one thing after another was needing replaced. AND it had no OD, so gas mileage was *****y...

+1
I would avoid Dodge Neons. I know 2 people who had major issues with theirs and they took pretty good care of them. Both needed new trans well before 70k miles.

[Motorhead350]

Lol me being close minded by being open to Imports... hmm

Whatever you say.

Good luck with your find.

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

It's simple physics -biggest car wins in an accident!!!!! I would look for something a little bit larger and safer.

I would rather my kids have an uncool car and be mad at me (if they dont like it they can go and buy there own :) ) and me not worried about their safety as much as them being in some cool little car that I always have to be worried about them.

Remember new drivers pull alot of stupid moves and it is sometimes by the grace of God that they get away with it. For the times they don't I would rather have some larger sheet metal around them. Just my .02.

C_r5UJrxcck


Unfortunately, you get more bang for your buck and reliability with small import cars than American ones. Seems American companies are too busy churning out large SUVs and were left behind in the small car segments by imports.

I would rather put my kid in a cheap newer, safer, more reliable, camry appliance (which is built in the USA) than a 90s turd American car which has higher risk of breaking down.

[cobrakid]

Thanks for all the suggestions! I actually like the Ford Taurus. I was just a little concerned about the 4drs and her friends asking for rides and her to drive everywhere. Just seems like 3 or 4 teenage kids can be a big distraction! Whereas a T-Bird or Mustang (maybe) might be a little more uncomfortable than a four door.

Do you know what vin code identifies the Vulcan motor in the Taurus vs the Duratec? Isn't the Duratec a 24v?


Most states put a limit on how many friends you can have in the car. In Maine you can't drive anyone under 21 for 9 months


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[Melon]

I've got a 3.0L Vulcan Taurus and I think it'd make a good first car. Front wheel drive and just enough power to get you where you need to go. I also like the V8 Bird or Cougar. I've had a 96 V8 and loved it for a daily driver. JMod, a trans cooler, and get a TrakLok rear end (direct swap from auto Super Coupe) and call it a day. I got mid 20s for fuel mileage with mostly highway driving.

[Motorhead350]

To give you an honest opinion, I think a Ford Crown Vic is a good buy. It's cheap, reliable, safe and not fast until you put in some wrench time.

[whitey]

Lol me being close minded by being open to Imports... hmm

Whatever you say.

Good luck with your find.
Yeah, closed minded so much you didnt even understand what i was saying....short and simple: everyone has their opinion, its there right to have one.


Sorry for the thread hijack.

[1 Bad Merc]

C_r5UJrxcck


Unfortunately, you get more bang for your buck and reliability with small import cars than American ones. Seems American companies are too busy churning out large SUVs and were left behind in the small car segments by imports.

I would rather put my kid in a cheap newer, safer, more reliable, camry appliance (which is built in the USA) than a 90s turd American car which has higher risk of breaking down.


Ha Ha -Nice video -take the same newer car and hit a geo metro with it and see what happens.

I was speaking of newer cars and in case you did not notice alot of newer cars are heavier then the older cars. They also have crumple zones and air bags and anti lock brakes.

Take a newer ford Fusion and hit a Lincoln Navigator and I bet the people in the Navigator make it out with less injuries.

I will even do the marauder community a community service by offering to buy up all of their unsafe early 60's chevies. No worries as I am sure they would like to get rid of those unsafe cars. :beer:

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

Lol yeah I know. Kinda hard to believe that old boat would get destroyed like that, you would think it would plow through that malibu with how much metal is on it vs the new plastic crunchable cars. Goes to show how far technology has come in protecting the occupants.

Regardless, one day I will still own a 60's muscle car though. 67-69 Camaro specifically.
:beer:

[UncleLar]

Exactly. I've seen so many people rush out and buy their kids new cars just to have them get wrecked! :shake: I do plan on having her come with me and check out a few. I just want to weed out the bad one's first so the list is a little smaller.

Ask her to make a list of the cars she likes,then go down the list to see what she can afford (she IS paying for it or for a good chunk of it herself,right?) and then go down the line of her choices checking for safety and reliability with her,offer your opinion of her then acceptable choices and if necessary reach a compromise and go shopping for it.

[sflrainmaker01]

C_r5UJrxcck


Unfortunately, you get more bang for your buck and reliability with small import cars than American ones. Seems American companies are too busy churning out large SUVs and were left behind in the small car segments by imports.

I would rather put my kid in a cheap newer, safer, more reliable, camry appliance (which is built in the USA) than a 90s turd American car which has higher risk of breaking down.

That video is amazing! :eek: Technology has come along way. So, I will scratch the '59 Bel Air off the list! JK. Thanks for posting that! :beer:

You know, I can't seem to pass a Camry on the road that doesn't have what we call "flappy quarters". Every single one I see over 50 mph (+/-), you can see the rear bumper cover shaking, vibrating or whatever (flapping is a little exaggerated) from the wind at that speed. So, I started looking at ALL other cars (foreign and domestic) and, so far, the Camry is the only one that does that. FWIW.

[EMAS]

That video is amazing! :eek: Technology has come along way. So, I will scratch the '59 Bel Air off the list! JK. Thanks for posting that! :beer:

You know, I can't seem to pass a Camry on the road that doesn't have what we call "flappy quarters". Every single one I see over 50 mph (+/-), you can see the rear bumper cover shaking, vibrating or whatever (flapping is a little exaggerated) from the wind at that speed. So, I started looking at ALL other cars (foreign and domestic) and, so far, the Camry is the only one that does that. FWIW.

I've seen that on some Chryslers, particularly 300s.

[sflrainmaker01]

I've seen that on some Chryslers, particularly 300s.

I'll have to pay some attention to that tomorrow.:)

[ChiTownMaraud3r]

I'll have to pay some attention to that tomorrow.:)

And Corvettes too.... according to Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear lol.

[mnrauder]

2003 ford thunderbird

http://www.danporterhonda.com/images.aspx/id-523175771-w-640-h-480/2003-ford-thunderbird-771-p3.jpg

[whitey]

2003 ford thunderbird

http://www.danporterhonda.com/images.aspx/id-523175771-w-640-h-480/2003-ford-thunderbird-771-p3.jpg

Fugly! Just my opinion ;)

[lji372]

Very Fugly! Just my opinion ;)


fixed and agreed:shake:

[WhatsUpDOHC]

On what I hope will be a related topic, what about a tune ( for compatible vehicles) that would limit the speed that a new driver's vehicle could reach?

Nothing that would be dangerous or too slow for traffic but would keep the teen at or under the speed where the car could not protect her/him (EX 65 MPH for a CV) as 1Marauder (Grant) referenced earlier.

[L.Mark]

Fugly! Just my opinion ;)


Yes, it's like they went 75% into designing a really sweet retro Bird and then just called it a night...something is missing...

[BigB26]

1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal choice of vehicle without being told, or it be insinuated that their choice is wrong because someone has a different opinion.
2. Get whatever you want, it is your money!
3. Grand Am 2 door, mustang v6, Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Buick Regal 2 door.
4. As far as choice is concerned, narrow it down to a list like this and let your daughter provide her ranking of preference, so she has some input. But the honest truth is our kids can get what they really would like when they can pay for it. Till then it's a compromise.
Good luck with the search


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[Go2GuyFL]

Similar situation: my 14 yrs old turns 15 this summer. Having two Marauders means neither my wife nor I can reach the pedals nor the emergency brake from up the passenger seat. Thinking about adding one of these http://www.ezycardealer.com/car-dealer/Constable/ford-crown-victoria-2000-13.html to the fleet. Right around $3K.

My daughter thinks it's great 'cause it's black. She's been in these cars all her life as we've driven CV, GM, and MM all her life.

[sflrainmaker01]

1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and personal choice of vehicle without being told, or it be insinuated that their choice is wrong because someone has a different opinion.
2. Get whatever you want, it is your money!
3. Grand Am 2 door, mustang v6, Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, Buick Regal 2 door.
4. As far as choice is concerned, narrow it down to a list like this and let your daughter provide her ranking of preference, so she has some input. But the honest truth is our kids can get what they really would like when they can pay for it. Till then it's a compromise.
Good luck with the search


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Right on! My daughter and I went on CL the other night and checked out a few cars. Even before she even saw a 99-04 Mustang, she said "I don't want a Mustang". Well, when she saw a few, then "Oh those are really nice"! :popcorn: I like the idea of a CV. But, that could be a hard sell to the wife. :argue: I'll be harping on safety, trust me. They both saw the video of the Bel-Air posted previously. That was amazing. The Grand Am is another choice I forgot about! Thanks! :beer:

[Go2GuyFL]

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[sflrainmaker01]

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Right on!!! That's what I TOLD my boys! :lol: LMAO!!! :lol:

[Blown3.8]

This just popped up on the t bird forum. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4335429761.html

The 22mpg is probably city. I get 26 mpg on the highway with my stock 3.8 supercharged bird.

[sflrainmaker01]

This just popped up on the t bird forum. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/4335429761.html

The 22mpg is probably city. I get 26 mpg on the highway with my stock 3.8 supercharged bird.

That is nice. She'd like the color too! A bit high on miles, but sure is priced right!

[capt512]

I highly recommend a used CVPI but I know you said thats a hard sell. Can get them pretty darn affordable with all the heavy duty stuff to make them last. I had one when I was young and hit a wood telephone pole at 40 mph, cut the pole in half, then drove through a 6" diameter tree before stopping. Got stuck on stump. Tow truck pulled the car off and it drove home just fine, no leaks and no injuries at all. That sold me on safety. Replaced the header panel, hood, and front bumper and drove it 2 more years with no problems.
Can also park MUCH MUCH better than most of those I grew up with as I learned space concepts on it.

Also like the taurus, or a manual something would be good as well. Don't like the focus or other small stuff like it as the older ones that would be in price range are awful small and seem like they would be death traps in much of a collision.

[jsignorelli]

When both of my children hit the magic age of 17 (and driving became their only thoughts), I purchased them their first Mustangs (used of course). I went this route as they would only want to "borrow" mine so I circumvented that issue.
I then taught each of them the proper and safe way to drive a five speed. When the warm weather came, it was off to Englishtown to teach them proper drag racing. Proper means on the track, and never on the street. finally, it was time to learn auto repairs (and mods). To date, they are both in their 30's, and neither have ever had an accident nor a ticket.

[GODFATHER]

That is nice. She'd like the color too! A bit high on miles, but sure is priced right!


where in Florida do you live .. i have a real good clean car that i have had sense 2006 it's a 2005 ford Taurus with sunroof and two tone leather with the factory mach audio with sho chrome wheels
she might like this one.. great gas milage and a 5 star crash test by jd power & associates
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/4336705412.html

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/taurus/2005/reviews/;_ylt=A0LEVy3FFQhTxCsAfAtXNyoA ;_ylu=X3oDMTB0azVjbjgxBHNlYwNz YwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM0M1 8x

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21503.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=21503&id=17790

[03-300a]

Get her a ford Taurus

[lji372]

where in Florida do you live .. i have a real good clean car that i have had sense 2006 it's a 2005 ford Taurus with sunroof and two tone leather with the factory mach audio with sho chrome wheels
she might like this one.. great gas milage and a 5 star crash test by jd power & associates
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/4336705412.html

http://autos.yahoo.com/ford/taurus/2005/reviews/;_ylt=A0LEVy3FFQhTxCsAfAtXNyoA ;_ylu=X3oDMTB0azVjbjgxBHNlYwNz YwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM0M1 8x

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/21503.shtml

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=21503&id=17790

Winner!!!!!!!!

[Jeffonebuck]

What he said ^^^^


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[GODFATHER]

and ill even go down on the price a little because he's a member here;)

[lji372]

and ill even go down on the price a little because he's a member here;)

WINNERER!!! :beer:

[GODFATHER]

WINNERER!!! :beer:

i sent him a pm to see what we can come up with. :beer:
the car is beautiful and i just replaced the mufflers and tail pipes and runs very quiet
great tires too i will even throw in the new bra

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