Maker of Packard

[FastMerc]

Who knows what car the owner of Packard bought in Cleveland and while driving it home broke down several times, thus prompting him to build a better car. Now keep in mind he bought it before starting the Packard car company in Ohio.

[Bluerauder]

Who knows what car the owner of Packard bought in Cleveland and while driving it home broke down several times, thus prompting him to build a better car. Now keep in mind he bought it before starting the Packard car company in Ohio.

A Winton. :)

[MERCULES]

Did they have Kia back then?

[Spectragod]

Alexander Winton, he was a bicycle maker as well.

[FastMerc]

You got it Charlie!

[Spectragod]

And the rest of the story, actually really good story... thanks for bringing it up, I haven't read this in quite a few years. :beer:



When people think of the auto industry, they usually think of Henry Ford and Detroit. What most people don't know is that in the 1890s Cleveland was the automobile capital of America. One reason for this was a Scottish immigrant and bicycle company owner named Alexander Winton.

The Winton Motor Carriage Company went into business on March 15, 1897. Their first automobiles were built by hand. Each vehicle had fancy painted sides, padded seats, a leather roof, and gas lamps. B.F. Goodrich made the tires for Winton. By 1897, Winton had already produced two fully operational prototype automobiles. In May of 1897, the 10 horsepower model achieved the astonishing speed of 33.64 mph on a test around a Cleveland horse track. However, people were still skeptical of the new invention. To prove his automobile's durability and usefulness, Alexander Winton had his car undergo an 800-mile endurance run from Cleveland to New York City.

On March 24, 1898 Robert Allison of Port Carbon, Pennsylvania became one of the first men to buy an American-built automobile when he bought a Winton for around $1,000. Allison had seen an advertisement for the car in Scientific American. Later that year the Winton Motor Carriage Company sold twenty-one more vehicles. One of those customers was James Ward Packard, who would later become the founder of Packard automobile company. It is believed that Packard was not satisfied with his car and complained to Winton. The story goes that Winton challenged him to do better. That same year, Leo Melanowski, Winton's Chief Engineer, invited Henry Ford to come to Cleveland for an interview at the Winton Company. Alexander Winton was not impressed with Henry and decided not to hire him. Henry went back to Detroit to continue working on his second Quadricycle. These miscues would eventually come back to haunt Winton.

More than one hundred Winton vehicles were sold in 1898, making the company the largest manufacturer of gas-powered automobiles in the United States. By 1901, widespread publicity continued to increase interest in the Wintons. That year, news that members of the wealthy Vanderbilt family had purchased Winton automobiles boosted the company's image substantially. It was around this time that Winton built a new factory complex at 10601 Berea Road, on Cleveland's far west side. Later that year, however, a Winton automobile lost a race near Detroit to one of Henry Ford's cars. Winton vowed to come back and defeat Ford. He produced the 1902 Winton Bullet, which set an unofficial land speed record of 70 mph in Cleveland that year. Despite its speed, 'The Bullet' was defeated by another Ford later in the year. The company received some positive publicity In 1903, though, when Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson made the first successful automobile drive across the United States in a Winton. The trip took 64 days, including breakdowns, delays while waiting for parts to arrive, and the time it took hoisting the Winton up and over rocky terrain and mudholes.

In the 1910s Winton continued to market his expensive, custom-made cars primarily to wealthy consumers. This would eventually lead to the company's downfall, as by the 1920s Winton was unable to compete with the less expensive, mass produced cars like those made on Henry Ford's assembly lines. In 1922, Winton made only 690 cars, and on February 11, 1924, the Winton Motor Car Co. ceased car production.

[Bluerauder]

Whitey ;) (and probably many others on this site) are wondering What the Hell is a Packard ???

Well, Packard was bought out in 1954 to become Studebaker-Packard in 1954.

What the Hell is a Studebaker ???

Studebaker dropped the Packard designation in 1962.

The last Studebaker was built in March 1966.

Most people under 50 may never have heard of these companies before or Hudson, or Nash, or Willy's, or Kaiser for that matter. But once upon a time, they were independent automobile companies outside the "Big 3" umbrella.

[Spectragod]

Whitey ;) (and probably many others on this site) are wondering What the Hell is a Packard ???

Well, Packard was bought out in 1954 to become Studebaker-Packard in 1954.

What the Hell is a Studebaker ???

Studebaker dropped the Packard designation in 1962.

The last Studebaker was built in March 1966.

Most people under 50 may never have heard of these companies before or Hudson, or Nash, or Willy's, or Kaiser for that matter. But once upon a time, they were independent automobile companies outside the "Big 3" umbrella.

We have a Packard museum right here in Dayton Ohio, they usually show up with one of the cars from their establishment at the Friday night cruise in's.

[Bluerauder]

We have a Packard museum right here in Dayton Ohio, they usually show up with one of the cars from their establishment at the Friday night cruise in's.

The annual Safford L-M car show on Father's Day each year (now suspended indefinitely) used to have three Packard limos bring their VIPs to the event parade. There was also a Packard Caribbean convertible that would show up ... absolutely beautiful.

Safford L-M was in the Burtonsville/Silver Spring, MD area and CAM would always have a really good turnout of Marauders. No registration fee, free food, drinks, ice cream, and live entertainment all day. Plus very nice raffle prizes up to $500 and $1,000 cash. We sure do miss that show. :(

[Comin' in Hot]

Whitey ;) (and probably many others on this site) are wondering What the Hell is a Packard ???

Well, Packard was bought out in 1954 to become Studebaker-Packard in 1954.

What the Hell is a Studebaker ???

Studebaker dropped the Packard designation in 1962.

The last Studebaker was built in March 1966.

Most people under 50 may never have heard of these companies before or Hudson, or Nash, or Willy's, or Kaiser for that matter. But once upon a time, they were independent automobile companies outside the "Big 3" umbrella.

How about we take that back a little further? Hudson built Essex and Terraplane. Kaiser built the Henry J and the Allstate, which was purchased from the Sears Catalog. GM had LaSalle. Hupmobile and Graham built some great cars.

Chrysler had Imperial as its luxury brand from 55- 75?

But the best of all could have been Tucker, if it wasn't killed by the Big 3.

[Bluerauder]

How about we take that back a little further? Hudson built Essex and Terraplane. Kaiser built the Henry J and the Allstate, which was purchased from the Sears Catalog. GM had LaSalle. Hupmobile and Graham built some great cars.

Chrysler had Imperial as its luxury brand from 55- 75?

But the best of all could have been Tucker, if it wasn't killed by the Big 3.

Here's a pic of a "Henry J" that showed up at Bert's 50s Diner for the annual April 2013 CAM Meet .... I had to ask Sherm WTF it was. :o

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/gallery/data/500/medium/13Berts0007.JPG

[thathotrodlincn]

anybody know the Packard trade phrase?

[Bluerauder]

anybody know the Packard trade phrase?

"Ask the Man who owns One"

[thathotrodlincn]

:banana2: EXACTLY!!! VERY GOOD. :banana:

[crouse]

Sorry to high jack your thread, but does anyone know when the first car race was?

[WhatsUpDOHC]

Sorry to high jack your thread, but does anyone know when the first car race was?
When the second car was made/delivered.

[crouse]

Bingo. I love asking people that question.

[Shaijack]

Whitey likes to get Packed Hard,

[JCMM]

If you want to see Packard #1, its at Lehigh University, Packard Hall of course. Passed it every day on the way to class.

[Shaijack]

I owned a 39 Packard. Great solid car....It was a ClubCoupe

[Merc-O-matic]

Just visted the National Packard Museum in Warren, O.
well worth the trip. Nice 1955 Packard Caribbean Convertible
on display...owned one in 1960, and sold it in 1962 for $200.00
.....still crying today!:depress:

Gotta Love It!

[Comin' in Hot]

If you want to see Packard #1, its at Lehigh University, Packard Hall of course. Passed it every day on the way to class.

I pass by Lehigh University daily and never knew about it, i'll have to check it out.

[MarauderCyclone]

Packard made a great contribution to the war effort in WWII.
Due to thier exacting skills for close tolerances , they were the only US based company licensed to build the British designed Rolls-Royce Merlin engine.

The Merlin Engine not only powered the Spitfire , Mosquito and Lancaster...it was what made the North American P-51 Mustang the great plane that it still is. The Merlin was that perfect element that not only allowed for speed and agility , matched to the ideal airframe it's range was beyond comparison to any other fighter of that era.

The name Mustang that Ford used for it's 1964 1/2 coupe came from the WWII Fighter , not the Horse.

[FastMerc]

Packard made a great contribution to the war effort in WWII.
Due to thier exacting skills for close tolerances , they were the only US based company licensed to build the British designed Rolls-Royce Merlin engine.

The Merlin Engine not only powered the Spitfire , Mosquito and Lancaster...it was what made the North American P-51 Mustang the great plane that it still is. The Merlin was that perfect element that not only allowed for speed and agility , matched to the ideal airframe it's range was beyond comparison to any other fighter of that era.

The name Mustang that Ford used for it's 1964 1/2 coupe came from the WWII Fighter , not the Horse.


I knew that I am a big P-51 fan!

[Joe Walsh]

And the rest of the story, actually really good story... thanks for bringing it up, I haven't read this in quite a few years. :beer:



When people think of the auto industry, they usually think of Henry Ford and Detroit. What most people don't know is that in the 1890s Cleveland was the automobile capital of America. One reason for this was a Scottish immigrant and bicycle company owner named Alexander Winton.

The Winton Motor Carriage Company went into business on March 15, 1897. Their first automobiles were built by hand. Each vehicle had fancy painted sides, padded seats, a leather roof, and gas lamps. B.F. Goodrich made the tires for Winton. By 1897, Winton had already produced two fully operational prototype automobiles. In May of 1897, the 10 horsepower model achieved the astonishing speed of 33.64 mph on a test around a Cleveland horse track. However, people were still skeptical of the new invention. To prove his automobile's durability and usefulness, Alexander Winton had his car undergo an 800-mile endurance run from Cleveland to New York City.

On March 24, 1898 Robert Allison of Port Carbon, Pennsylvania became one of the first men to buy an American-built automobile when he bought a Winton for around $1,000. Allison had seen an advertisement for the car in Scientific American. Later that year the Winton Motor Carriage Company sold twenty-one more vehicles. One of those customers was James Ward Packard, who would later become the founder of Packard automobile company. It is believed that Packard was not satisfied with his car and complained to Winton. The story goes that Winton challenged him to do better. That same year, Leo Melanowski, Winton's Chief Engineer, invited Henry Ford to come to Cleveland for an interview at the Winton Company. Alexander Winton was not impressed with Henry and decided not to hire him. Henry went back to Detroit to continue working on his second Quadricycle. These miscues would eventually come back to haunt Winton.

More than one hundred Winton vehicles were sold in 1898, making the company the largest manufacturer of gas-powered automobiles in the United States. By 1901, widespread publicity continued to increase interest in the Wintons. That year, news that members of the wealthy Vanderbilt family had purchased Winton automobiles boosted the company's image substantially. It was around this time that Winton built a new factory complex at 10601 Berea Road, on Cleveland's far west side. Later that year, however, a Winton automobile lost a race near Detroit to one of Henry Ford's cars. Winton vowed to come back and defeat Ford. He produced the 1902 Winton Bullet, which set an unofficial land speed record of 70 mph in Cleveland that year. Despite its speed, 'The Bullet' was defeated by another Ford later in the year. The company received some positive publicity In 1903, though, when Dr. Horatio Nelson Jackson made the first successful automobile drive across the United States in a Winton. The trip took 64 days, including breakdowns, delays while waiting for parts to arrive, and the time it took hoisting the Winton up and over rocky terrain and mudholes.

In the 1910s Winton continued to market his expensive, custom-made cars primarily to wealthy consumers. This would eventually lead to the company's downfall, as by the 1920s Winton was unable to compete with the less expensive, mass produced cars like those made on Henry Ford's assembly lines. In 1922, Winton made only 690 cars, and on February 11, 1924, the Winton Motor Car Co. ceased car production.

Very cool!

That sounds very similar to the Lamborghini - Ferrari story....anyone know that one?

[Jeffonebuck]

Just visted the National Packard Museum in Warren, O.
well worth the trip. Nice 1955 Packard Caribbean Convertible
on display...owned one in 1960, and sold it in 1962 for $200.00
.....still crying today!:depress:

Gotta Love It!

Watched the Mecum auction on tv yesterday, 56 Caribbean sold for 130 k, 310hp v8 in 56 !! http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=SC0512-126643


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