Stock block limits

[95chickn]

How much power can stock block take?
Would it handle a whipple?

[RubberCtyRauder]

The block doesn't make the power, it's what you put in it and was answered in your whipple question thread. It needs forged components etc..and a $10,000 plus budget to make the power you wanted and that is just for engine, not other supporting parts. Do you have that kind of budget waiting to spend on a whipple install?

[95chickn]

I doubt it would cost 10k to build a strong block... Im building a teskid for my TbirdSC
4,000 max
Bore or clean block + forged crank 1000
Manley rods rings and piston -2000
Felpro gaskets 200 cleavite bearings 300
3500

[RubberCtyRauder]

it's not just the block you need..a whipple is like $4k alone, intake, headers, exhaust,pistons, rods, crank, bolts, bearings, seals, relocate battery to other side, injectors, dyno tune, fuel system, install, etc..we are not just talking block. An engine is not just the block. plus you'll need to upgrade rear end, stock control arms are not going to get it with lots of power, prolly new driveshaft as well.

[95chickn]

O yea I understand I would need all that. Just was trying to figure what would be best block option. Mmr cast iron 5.0, teskid .20, or stock .20.... since you say the block doesn't matter. Im leaning towards teskid since there easy to come by:violin: and light

[Zack]

You figure out pretty quick what everything costs. A slush fund is quite necessary

[95chickn]

Slush fund:confused:

[RubberCtyRauder]

why spend money on the teksid when the stock block which you presumably have in the car is just as good..spend the money elsewhere. you were already told the teksid wasn;t anything special and that the stock block can handle whatever you can throw at it.

[95chickn]

Ok.
Also is it worth upgrading to stage 3 cams?
What the route for heads? Stock good enough? Ported?or Trickflow? Gains?

[RubberCtyRauder]

I don't know those answers as I have stock heads and a Trilogy and am not taking it any further in the HP department. I know you are newer to this site, but you should listen to the advice from Zack. He has been around these cars since the beginning, has a whipple marauder, a turbo marauder and is building a S/C lincoln, not to mention has figured out what works and what won;t work on these cars and pretty much pioneered the "eaton swap" you may hear about thru this site.

[95chickn]

Please Give me a hand Zachary:help:

[Zack]

Please Give me a hand Zachary:help:

Properly built engine from scratch: ~3000-4000
And that doesn't include:
Billet Oil Pump: 350
Timing Set: $500
New Oil Pan: $75
Head Gaskets: 80
Head Studs: 200
All other gaskets: 100
Another Timing Cover: 50-100
All other bolts needed to assemble it: 50
Another set of Cam covers: 100
...and im sure Im forgetting many things


Then of course:
Headers: 1000
Whipple: 4000
Lower Intake: 400
Intercooler: 400
Water Outlet: 200
Heat exchanger: 150
Intercooler Pump: 100
Dual fuel pumps: 250
Fuel Rails: 200
Fuel Line: 140
Fuel Fittings: ~125-150
Fuel Pressure Regulator: 140
SC coolant tank: 50
Air inlet for whipple: ~80
MAF setup: 250
Eaton Brackets: 500
Good Belt tensioner: 200

Then you will be nickel and dime'd damn near to death on:
hoses, clamps, spark plugs, sensors, pigtails, soldering, electrical tape, convoluted tubing, making brackets to mount stuff, possible welding that needs to be done etc etc.
Figure 200-400 for that stuff

And then of course you will need a built trans, a good converter, a good trans cooler and misc stuff: 2500-3000

And then you will need a good set of gauges, possibly a pod to mount them in and of course a wideband: Figure 500

Then if you don't have a hiccup with your assembly or new engine, its off to the dyno, where you will spend about $500 bucks.

^^^and all this is a conservative estimate, and everything listed is 100% necessary for the power you want to make.

Averaging the items with a 'range' above, this totals $17,265

What's in your wallet? :beer:

[stevengerard]

Ok.
Also is it worth upgrading to stage 3 cams?
What the route for heads? Stock good enough? Ported?or Trickflow? Gains?
Cams are not worth it unless you are trying to squeeze the last little bit out of the engine. Of course if you are planning on spending 17k-20k I guess an extra grand doesn't matter.

[SpartaPerformance]

Pre 2005 production aluminum blocks are 600HP, post 05 blocks are 800HP. Aluminator blocks are 1,500HP TEKSID blocks are 1,000HP and you can get custom blocks for example from Sean Hyland that can handle over 2,500HP

[Jeronimojc]

Zack makes a great point. I started a project thinking I only needed certain things. What you'll find out is that you'll end up upgrading components you hadn't considered the first time. The more you try to save money the more chances you take of something not working out well.
Bottom line is you'll need a good amount of money and be prepared for things to take a while.
A not so expensive alternative is to stay under 450 whp, with your stock block.


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[95chickn]

[QUOTE=Jeronimojc;1423856]Zack makes a great point. I started a project thinking I only needed certain things. What you'll find out is that you'll end up upgrading components you hadn't considered the first time. The more you try to save money the more chances you take of something not working out well.
Bottom line is you'll need a good amount of money and be prepared for things to take a while.
A not so expensive alternative is to stay under 450 whp, with your stock block.

Yea I kinda thought it would be around 12k for everything now its looking like 18-20k:bigcry:

[95chickn]

"A not so expensive alternative is to stay under 450 whp, with your stock block"

Is the Vortech ALOT cheaper build

[Zack]

I only build these things to fight boredom.

The most fun you will ever have is a 450rwhp Marauder that is reliable from oil change to oil change.

[RubberCtyRauder]

A vortech or an eaton swap is similar costs . Do you want roots or centri?

[95chickn]

Roots...but my goal is really 10.99 +. I might just TRY to stick with whipple project but it may take Longer than I was hoping to complete. Patience I guess

[RubberCtyRauder]

Then add a roll bar to your expenses.

[Zack]

Roots...but my goal is really 10.99 +. I might just TRY to stick with whipple project but it may take Longer than I was hoping to complete. Patience I guess


If I've learned anything over the years, It's this:

Don't set a goal.

Build the car to your financial capability, but take the extra steps to be reliable.

Ever since my Marauder went 10's, I lost almost all interest.

There are always $$$$ signs every time you turn the key.

[95chickn]

Then add a roll bar to your expenses.

:mad2::mad2::mad2:

[95chickn]

A vortech or an eaton swap is similar costs . Do you want roots or centri?

Whats the average cost of eaton swap(blower+parts)?

[RubberCtyRauder]

Average around $4000-$4500 plus install and dyno tune. I 've heard some done it for closer to $3500..All depends on how long you want to search for deals on parts. Eaton swap generally gets you around 425 RWHP give or take..some higher, some lower, all on factory block, heads, etc..longevity is going to be based onthe condition of factory parts prior to a swap and the tune.

[Zack]

In all honesty, it is smarter to start with the eaton swap and build from there.

Get all your wiring, plumbing etc done, drive it for a while then upgrade if you need more power.
(and in the meantime, get a reliable beater to drive when the Marauder is upgraded or breaks)

[Zack]

and your eaton parts no longer needed when you upgrade can be sold for almost exactly what you paid for them.

[1 Bad Merc]

It takes a lot of money to make one of these "heavy" cars run fast! Heavy cars break parts really quick -rear ends, trans, etc.

Start out with an Eaton swap and see how much more power you really need.

If you really need to go tens then look around for a used GN and put 10 g's into that and you will have your car that runs 10's.

Listen to Zack and the other members on this board. They have time and money invested and will point you in the right direction.

[MOTOWN]

A Teksid block isn't a bad option if you want to build a forged motor while your still driving your Marauder , honestly there are a few very nice S/C Marauders for sale far cheaper than what anyone can build one for , look at Garys (Boatman) , or Embassy Marauders , i would buy either in a heartbeat!

[Curless]

Askhole...

[95chickn]

Askhole...

:gunfire::uzi:

[Curless]

:gunfire::uzi:

Ask, ask, ask, ask.... H O L E....:bs::flamer:

Same questions + Multiple threads =.....ASKHOLE

[95chickn]

Ask, ask, ask, ask.... H O L E....:bs::flamer:

Same questions + Multiple threads =.....ASKHOLE

I thought that other Thread was Deleted until last night. Someone moved it without me knowing. That why made new thread you Askhole lol :puke:

[justbob]

Properly built engine from scratch: ~3000-4000

And that doesn't include:

Billet Oil Pump: 350

Timing Set: $500

New Oil Pan: $75

Head Gaskets: 80

Head Studs: 200

All other gaskets: 100

Another Timing Cover: 50-100

All other bolts needed to assemble it: 50

Another set of Cam covers: 100

...and im sure Im forgetting many things





Then of course:

Headers: 1000

Whipple: 4000

Lower Intake: 400

Intercooler: 400

Water Outlet: 200

Heat exchanger: 150

Intercooler Pump: 100

Dual fuel pumps: 250

Fuel Rails: 200

Fuel Line: 140

Fuel Fittings: ~125-150

Fuel Pressure Regulator: 140

SC coolant tank: 50

Air inlet for whipple: ~80

MAF setup: 250

Eaton Brackets: 500

Good Belt tensioner: 200



Then you will be nickel and dime'd damn near to death on:

hoses, clamps, spark plugs, sensors, pigtails, soldering, electrical tape, convoluted tubing, making brackets to mount stuff, possible welding that needs to be done etc etc.

Figure 200-400 for that stuff



And then of course you will need a built trans, a good converter, a good trans cooler and misc stuff: 2500-3000



And then you will need a good set of gauges, possibly a pod to mount them in and of course a wideband: Figure 500



Then if you don't have a hiccup with your assembly or new engine, its off to the dyno, where you will spend about $500 bucks.



^^^and all this is a conservative estimate, and everything listed is 100% necessary for the power you want to make.



Averaging the items with a 'range' above, this totals $17,265



What's in your wallet? :beer:


Conservative indeed!


Builder Of Badassery

[95chickn]

No problem

[stevengerard]

Conservative indeed!


Builder Of Badassery

Please stop reminding me of what I probably dumped into this car:rolleyes:

It is more enjoyable when one does not add up the bill!!!

Oh wait I'm doing it all over again:D

[95chickn]

Dont mean to keep dragging this but im seriously trying to educate my self as much as possible on the DOHC.

Nobody touched on Trickflows... worth it?
Around how much would it yeild to S/C
How much would Tricks and Headers yeild to stock N/A?

I have Methanol on my S/C 2v roots but have yet to see ANY marauder using it on Trilogies etc. Could it be used with N/A? Worth it? Just have to keep buying washer fluid -20

I know im probably beating a dead horse but respect the Newb

[chief455]

Dont mean to keep dragging this but im seriously trying to educate my self as much as possible on the DOHC.

Nobody touched on Trickflows... worth it?
Around how much would it yeild to S/C
How much would Tricks and Headers yeild to stock N/A?

I have Methanol on my S/C 2v roots but have yet to see ANY marauder using it on Trilogies etc. Could it be used with N/A? Worth it? Just have to keep buying washer fluid -20

I know im probably beating a dead horse but respect the Newb
As a newbie myself last November, I suggest you use 'search' and read threads on topics before you ask. I did, and my questions were far more specfic, thus brought meaningful replies.
Asking about aftermarket heads, headers and meth injection in one post will have avid Marauder builders moving to the next thread.
I'm going, now.....:run:

[merc]

Averaging the items with a 'range' above, this totals $17,265

What's in your wallet? :beer:

I must be above adverage because I spent 3 x that much and still counting. I am approaching Mad Martyo money. This marauder is like crack on 4 wheels. I will never get my return on investment.

[chief455]

I must be above adverage because I spent 3 x that much and still counting. I am approaching Mad Martyo money. This marauder is like crack on 4 wheels. I will never get my return on investment.
Yes, but by the numbers in your sig, you're at new Hellcat thrill levels in an 11 year old classic. Miles per smiles, that's what matters.

[Spectragod]

I must be above adverage because I spent 3 x that much and still counting. I am approaching Mad Martyo money. This marauder is like crack on 4 wheels. I will never get my return on investment.

^^^^Yep^^^^, I'm right there with ya, and then some. I think hookers and heroin would have been cheaper.

[WPG_Merc]

It takes a lot of money to make one of these "heavy" cars run fast! Heavy cars break parts really quick -rear ends, trans, etc.

Start out with an Eaton swap and see how much more power you really need.

If you really need to go tens then look around for a used GN and put 10 g's into that and you will have your car that runs 10's.

Listen to Zack and the other members on this board. They have time and money invested and will point you in the right direction.
:agree::2thumbs:

[RubberCtyRauder]

Dont mean to keep dragging this but im seriously trying to educate my self as much as possible on the DOHC.

Nobody touched on Trickflows... worth it?
Around how much would it yeild to S/C
How much would Tricks and Headers yeild to stock N/A?

I have Methanol on my S/C 2v roots but have yet to see ANY marauder using it on Trilogies etc. Could it be used with N/A? Worth it? Just have to keep buying washer fluid -20

I know im probably beating a dead horse but respect the Newb

Nobody runs trick flow heads here so guessing not worth it. Marauder heads are actually pretty good . And besides the cost if heads will almost cover an eaton swap cost. Eaton swap gets you 400-425 Rwhp