What would it take to get a MM in the 9's?

[Nightcrawler]

Hp, drivetrain, suspension, weight reduction, drag wheel/ tires?

Discuss.:beer:

[chief455]

Done to death and an endless argument starter...:popcorn:

[martyo]

My car.

And Triple Threat's car if 9's are just not enough.

[RubberCtyRauder]

$40k prolly much more to do it right. roll cage, fuel system, certification, motor, trans , rear end, suspension...I'm guessing. 40k won't cover it

[Mike D Mechanic]

simple its called bring cubic dollars to the table ! If you want a hard $ number, YOU cant afford it. :eek:

[cat in the hat]

simple its called bring cubic dollars to the table ! If you want a hard $ number, YOU cant afford it. :eek:

I don't think he means cost-wise, I think he means set-up-wise.


Here's the formula I have always seen :

HP = weight
. [ E.T. / 5.825] ³ , (Where weight is the total weight of the vehicle, including driver and fuel.)

If you got a Marauder down to 4,000 lbs at the line :

4,000
[ 9.9 sec E.T. / 5.825 ] ³ , which equals about 815 HP

So it would take whatever you need to get to 815 HP (on paper) - what do you think THAT would take ? That's the question.

Plus everything necessary to get that 815 HP to the ground : built trans, built driveshaft, built diff, sticky wide slicks, etc etc etc.
What would THAT take ?

[Nightcrawler]

My car.

And Triple Threat's car if 9's are just not enough.

How much rwhp does your car make?

[Nightcrawler]

Plus everything necessary to get that 815 HP to the ground : built trans, built driveshaft, built diff, sticky wide slicks, etc etc etc.
What would take ?


Already have that.:bandit: just not slicks

[MOTOWN]

Hmmmmm 9s you say?

[Marauderjack]

I don't think he means cost-wise, I think he means set-up-wise.


Here's the formula I have always seen :

HP = weight
. [ E.T. / 5.825] ³ , (Where weight is the total weight of the vehicle, including driver and fuel.)

If you got a Marauder down to 4,000 lbs at the line :

4,000
[ 9.9 sec E.T. / 5.825 ] ³ , which equals about 815 HP

So it would take whatever you need to get to 815 HP (on paper) - what do you think THAT would take ? That's the question.

Plus everything necessary to get that 815 HP to the ground : built trans, built driveshaft, built diff, sticky wide slicks, etc etc etc.
What would THAT take ?



Ya left out the most important consideration.....a capable "PILOT"!!:burnout::beer::D

[RubberCtyRauder]

Plus everything necessary to get that 815 HP to the ground : built trans, built driveshaft, built diff, sticky wide slicks, etc etc etc.
What would take ?


Already have that.:bandit: just not slicks

What all have you done,your set up that you say is already built. None of your previous posts since joining list any of it so more than one of us here would like to know your upgrades, please share

[Triple Threat]

How much rwhp does your car make?

My MM is a built race car only.It runs 9.5 in competiton every week.767 rwhp. 40k is a good starting point not including the cost of the car.

[Nightcrawler]

Boss 5.3 MMR1000 stroker, Vortech Jt trim supercharger. Built lentech 4r70, 3500 stall convertor. 4.10 rear gears with a Detroit Locker. Fuel system is dual gt pumps w/ a kenne bell bap. Non return.

[cat in the hat]

Boss 5.3 MMR1000 stroker, Vortech Jt trim supercharger. Built lentech 4r70, 3500 stall convertor. 4.10 rear gears with a Detroit Locker. Fuel system is dual gt pumps w/ a kenne bell bap. Non return.

Instead of asking what would theoretically be needed to run 9's, why aren't we asking what would actually be run by that setup ? :confused:

[sailsmen]

Are you asking for the specs on Marty and Triple?

[justbob]

Instead of asking what would theoretically be needed to run 9's, why aren't we asking what would actually be run by that setup ? :confused:


Curious as well. What's your boost? Numbers at the wheels?


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[martyo]

How much rwhp does your car make?

No idea.

The only power pulls we have done on my car were at the track. The car ran a 9.62.

Triple Threat bested that with two if his cars. 9.5x and 8.5x (I believe).

[Nightcrawler]

Curious as well. What's your boost? Numbers at the wheels?


Builder Of Badassery

18 lbs boost, made 592/571 with a slipping belt.

[Triple Threat]

18 lbs boost, made 592/571 with a slipping belt.

Take it to the track to see what it does with the present set-up and go from there.

[Nightcrawler]

Take it to the track to see what it does with the present set-up and go from there.

I'm not necessarily looking to run 9s with my car at this point. Just curious as to what it takes in a nearly full weight Marauder. Hp wise, and what drag wheel combination would be needed.

[Nightcrawler]

Hey marty, do you have a build thread somewhere?

[chief455]

Take it to the track to see what it does with the present set-up and go from there.
that is the correct way to do it. get your baseline, set a new goal, and then a plan to achieve it.

I'm not necessarily looking to run 9s with my car at this point. Just curious as to what it takes in a nearly full weight Marauder. Hp wise, and what drag wheel combination would be needed.

I've used many of the options on this link, found to be pretty close
http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm

plug in some of your base line data, then play with wight, power and gear ratios/rpms/trap mph and see what it might take 'on paper'. Then have lot's of money ready.

[blkZooM]

Sherm mentioned in the YouTube video of his car he was making just a bit over 700 and he went 10.42 with a trap speed of 134.51. I'm guessing between 750 and 800 to the wheels will get you in the nines. I know it's a different car but they weigh around they same as ours, 820 to the wheels if I remember correctly got a V2 CTS-V in the 9.7 blower only and with a 150 shot he went very high 8s. They both and positive displacement blowers though and power under the curve could make a big difference


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[Nightcrawler]

Sherm mentioned in the YouTube video of his car he was making just a bit over 700 and he went 10.42 with a trap speed of 134.51. I'm guessing between 750 and 800 to the wheels will get you in the nines. I know it's a different car but they weigh around they same as ours, 820 to the wheels if I remember correctly got a V2 CTS-V in the 9.7 blower only and with a 150 shot he went very high 8s. They both and positive displacement blowers though and power under the curve could make a big difference


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My setup has about 30-40 more hp left in the tune, and I'm planning to put methanol injection, and a 2.75 pulley on it. Shouldn't be too hard to get 700whp out of it then.

Injected Engineering's car made 829rwhp though, and it hasn't broken into the 9's to my knowledge.

[justbob]

We had to stop mine at 5,700 and only 704 due to the OEM GT500 clutch I'm running said no more LOL. Sucked as the F1 was just starting to wake up and I had plenty of fuel on tap plus the fact it was a 12 hour drive.. But even if I got a real clutch and spun her to mid 800's I wouldn't see 9's with a manual. [emoji20]

My best guess would be mid 800's, a damn good tire, cool air, and most importantly KNOWING your cars behavior.


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[Nightcrawler]

We had to stop mine at 5,700 and only 704 due to the OEM GT500 clutch I'm running said no more LOL. Sucked as the F1 was just starting to wake up and I had plenty of fuel on tap plus the fact it was a 12 hour drive.. But even if I got a real clutch and spun her to mid 800's I wouldn't see 9's with a manual. [emoji20]

My best guess would be mid 800's, a damn good tire, cool air, and most importantly KNOWING your cars behavior.


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I would be happy for my MM to run sub 10.5s. That would put it in the top 10 cars in my area when we go down to Mexico. justbob how did you run your return lines? Looking to convert mine to return soon.

[solo5057]

I love marty's car ever time some one talks trash about the marauder I show them his youtube then they say I want a marauder too!!!

[justbob]

2) -6's to the wye on the frame, -8 into the Magnafuel filter.

-8 to FRPS adapter at back of drivers side rail (not yet hooked back up) -6 through the drivers rail, looped to front of pass. rail, out the back, and 180* to the regulator mounted on a custom EGR delete/ regulator mount. -6 back to trunk.

Two Aeromotive 340's with one hooked up like stock using the factory nipple, the other hooked to a -6 bulkhead with another -6 bulkhead for the return.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/22f372d06bb2c433df00dd1ef8a6a7 28.jpg
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Why all the -6? The custom rails came with all the fittings and hose, plus all the stuff I had laying around needed to be burned up due to budget. It performed flawlessly.


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[Nightcrawler]

How would you suggest I plumb the return line? If I helps I have dual GT pumps and aeromotive rails. -8an all the way. I was thinking of doing a -6 return.

[justbob]

How would you suggest I plumb the return line? If I helps I have dual GT pumps and aeromotive rails. -8an all the way. I was thinking of doing a -6 return.


-8 to feed from rail to regulator, -6 back return to hat. Run the line down between the pumps and done. I have all my lines neatly clamped to the frame with Stainless rubber sleeve clamps. You can use your old factory feed line for the return like many here with good power have done without issue. Mine was kinked and I wanted to gut out all the evap lines anyhow. It gave me a clean slate to mount the new lines on the frame and clean things up.

You can do it several ways. This just worked best for me because I didn't want any fuel waiting at the hot engine to be used up. I wanted a consistent flow.


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[Nightcrawler]

Which regulator are you running? I was going to run -6 black braided lines, and this regulator: http://aeromotiveinc.com/products-page/regulators/13101/a1000-injected-bypass-regulator/

Would my dual GT/BAP setup live with 100% duty, and how would I go about removing the hat to get to to the pumps?

[justbob]

That's the same one I use. Not sure on the GT pumps, no personal experience. Most any Aeromotive, AEM, Walbro, ETC prefer to just be ran instead of cycled from what I've read. I've had good luck using Aeromotive and Walbro in both set ups.

As for the hat. Make sure tank is only around a quarter full or less, remove the passenger side exhaust tip hanger and push the tailpipe over an inch or so. Remove the hat screws and pull it out. I've always swapped pumps with it dangling because the wires are next to impossible to reach and unplug. Last time I just cut them and soldered on a new weather pack connector.


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[Serge]

Junkyard LS swap out of a van with a turbo. BAM! 10 grand or less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrG29DPVVFw

[RubberCtyRauder]

Nobody thought of the easiest route. Only run it at 1/8 mile tracks. :D

[Nightcrawler]

Sherm mentioned in the YouTube video of his car he was making just a bit over 700 and he went 10.42 with a trap speed of 134.51. I'm guessing between 750 and 800 to the wheels will get you in the nines. I know it's a different car but they weigh around they same as ours, 820 to the wheels if I remember correctly got a V2 CTS-V in the 9.7 blower only and with a 150 shot he went very high 8s. They both and positive displacement blowers though and power under the curve could make a big difference


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Link to video?

[blkZooM]

Link to video?

Not sure which one your asking about so here is both
CTS-V
http://youtu.be/U87GWv2qTkU


Sherm and Jflave
http://youtu.be/XLuAz5GuYWg


I like to browse the CTS-V forums and the owner of the V stated 820 rwhp got him the 9.7 pass :whoops 9.8


From the sound of the specs of your car you definitely have the foundation down to get into the nine's E85 or race gas and turn up the boost. First thing first you need up the boost I think and find your weakest link whether it be fuel blower, or transmission or if the car even has one car sounds like it was built to be stout. Triple Threats is in the hp range I that I mentioned but I believe his car weighs a lot less than yours well ours.

[Nightcrawler]

Not sure which one your asking about so here is both
CTS-V
http://youtu.be/U87GWv2qTkU


Sherm and Jflave
http://youtu.be/XLuAz5GuYWg


I like to browse the CTS-V forums and the owner of the V stated 820 rwhp got him the 9.7 pass :whoops 9.8


From the sound of the specs of your car you definitely have the foundation down to get into the nine's E85 or race gas and turn up the boost. First thing first you need up the boost I think and find your weakest link whether it be fuel blower, or transmission or if the car even has one car sounds like it was built to be stout. Triple Threats is in the hp range I that I mentioned but I believe his car weighs a lot less than yours well ours.


Does Sherm have any weight reduction? I see he lists his raceweight as 4185. If so, what weight reduction can be done to these cars without sacrificing comfort? I searched on here but didn't see many factual results.

[blkZooM]

I honestly don't know. Not many people are chasing lower E.T time in these car so you can kind of see why there isn't effort put into weight reduction which also explains why there isn't any information on the matter. With that being said one of there easier things you can do is lighter wheels racing wheels come to mind Welds or some racestars is a start. Or just try to make more power


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[Triple Threat]

Not sure which one your asking about so here is both
CTS-V
http://youtu.be/U87GWv2qTkU


Sherm and Jflave
http://youtu.be/XLuAz5GuYWg


I like to browse the CTS-V forums and the owner of the V stated 820 rwhp got him the 9.7 pass :whoops 9.8


From the sound of the specs of your car you definitely have the foundation down to get into the nine's E85 or race gas and turn up the boost. First thing first you need up the boost I think and find your weakest link whether it be fuel blower, or transmission or if the car even has one car sounds like it was built to be stout. Triple Threats is in the hp range I that I mentioned but I believe his car weighs a lot less than yours well ours.

My car weighs 3900 lbs. with driver.

[justbob]

Plus Sherms car puts it down on all stock suspension and stops itself on stock brakes! [emoji106]🏻


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[chief455]

Plus Sherms car puts it down on all stock suspension and stops itself on stock brakes! [emoji106]��


Builder Of Badassery
:bows: impressive.

[blkZooM]

Plus Sherms car puts it down on all stock suspension and stops itself on stock brakes! [emoji106]🏻


Builder Of Badassery


This I did not know, pretty cool.


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[Joe Walsh]

Sherm also had OEM rims reduced in width to mount skinny front drag radials....it looks wicked when you first notice them!

[Nightcrawler]

So with a bit of weight reduction (100-150lbs) and 700ish rwhp, it is possible to run a sub 10.5?

What is the returnless setup good for hp wise, using a twin GT/BAP,-8an, and aeromotive rails? Would it be worth it to go to a return system?

[jflave]

So with a bit of weight reduction (100-150lbs) and 700ish rwhp, it is possible to run a sub 10.5?

What is the returnless setup good for hp wise, using a twin GT/BAP,-8an, and aeromotive rails? Would it be worth it to go to a return system? 4430 Lbs. and 716 RWHP, my last pass was 10.78 looking at the back of Sherms car the hole time going down the track.

[Nightcrawler]

4430 Lbs. and 716 RWHP, my last pass was 10.78 looking at the back of Sherms car the hole time going down the track.

What fuel system are you running? That's really the only thing in my way in the current setup.

[jflave]

What fuel system are you running? That's really the only thing in my way in the current setup. Return system using a A-1000 pump.

[Nightcrawler]

What pulley were you making those #s on? I believe the Novi 2200 and vortech jt are basically the same supercharger. Also, do you have cams?

[jflave]

What pulley were you making those #s on? I believe the Novi 2200 and vortech jt are basically the same supercharger. Also, do you have cams? 10% OD crank pulley with a 2.75 pulley --- GT super car cams. I have a few things going on now but come fall we will try to lower my ET a bit.

[Nightcrawler]

10% OD crank pulley with a 2.75 pulley --- GT super car cams. I have a few things going on now but come fall we will try to lower my ET a bit.

Did you dyno a before/after with the cam swap? If so, how much did they add? Also, any head porting/polishing done?

[jflave]

Did you dyno a before/after with the cam swap? If so, how much did they add? Also, any head porting/polishing done? No before #'s, motor was built & rebuilt. CNC Port Multi angle valve job W/Ferrea S/S Std. valves & Hi pressure Crower springs.

[Nightcrawler]

What drag wheels will fit a marauder? I know they take a mustang bolt pattern but what offset is needed? Rears only. Looking at a set of Dark Star 15x10.

[Nightcrawler]

Anyone know if a cobra twin fuel pump kit will fit a Marauder?

[blkZooM]

They will but that would be downgrading.


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[Nightcrawler]

They will but that would be downgrading.


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I wasn't clear. I meant a fuel pump setup meant for a cobra, such as the Lethal Performance twin pump hat.

[justbob]

I wasn't clear. I meant a fuel pump setup meant for a cobra, such as the Lethal Performance twin pump hat.


Waste of money. Clamp pump 1 to pump 2. Unibit three holes for 2nd pump, return, and new racetronix harness if going return

If just adding a second pump and staying return less. Two clamps and a 5/16" wye fitting. Done. Although I still recommend a wiring and FPDM upgrade.




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[MOTOWN]

Waste of money. Clamp pump 1 to pump 2. Unibit three holes for 2nd pump, return, and new racetronix harness if going return

If just adding a second pump and staying return less. Two clamps and a 5/16" wye fitting. Done. Although I still recommend a wiring and FPDM upgrade.




Builder Of Badassery

I modded a Division X 03/04 Cobra hat for my fuel system its a very nice piece , and makes the return setup very simple , i hate the idea of clamping two hot fuel pumps together to make a big heat pump.

[justbob]

I modded a Division X 03/04 Cobra hat for my fuel system its a very nice piece , and makes the return setup very simple , i hate the idea of clamping two hot fuel pumps together to make a big heat pump.


Oh I remember! And it's beautiful! BUT, iis too cheap! [emoji6]


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[MOTOWN]

Oh I remember! And it's beautiful! BUT, iis too cheap! [emoji6]


Builder Of Badassery

Yeah the hat was 400 smacks +modding it.

[justbob]

Yeah the hat was 400 smacks +modding it.


It's the modding that doubles the price LOL At least for me as I have no connections for machining besides Jerry. [emoji20]


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[Nightcrawler]

I modded a Division X 03/04 Cobra hat for my fuel system its a very nice piece , and makes the return setup very simple , i hate the idea of clamping two hot fuel pumps together to make a big heat pump.

What did you mod? It wasn't a drop- in piece?

[Nightcrawler]

Waste of money. Clamp pump 1 to pump 2. Unibit three holes for 2nd pump, return, and new racetronix harness if going return

If just adding a second pump and staying return less. Two clamps and a 5/16" wye fitting. Done. Although I still recommend a wiring and FPDM upgrade.




Builder Of Badassery

What harness is required? I already have dual GT pumps.
The plan is to do dual 340's, and return line. What exactly is needed to accomplish this? (Parts list)

Things I know I would need Pumps and a Regulator.

What fuel line/ fittings/ did you use?

[justbob]

OMG.. I already answered this for you in post 28, 30, & 32 in this same thread.

You sure ask a lot of questions for having a built car. LOL


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[Nightcrawler]

Well I just went back and answered my own question, I didn't read well enough to see you gave me a whole list already. I just don't want to take any chances by changing a setup that already works, engines are expensive.

[lji372]

You sure ask a lot of questions for having a built car. LOL


Builder Of Badassery

I resemble that :lol:

[blkZooM]

Just add bigger injectors. If I were you being that the car is built already I'd buy some ID1300 (pricey but last set of injectors you'll ever buy) and either dual 340s or the 13/14 GT500 (which also are dual and happen to be in the 2011+ 5.0) pumps and BAP. The larger injectors will allow you to keep base fuel pressure low this ends up helping out your pumps a lot and because of how large your injectors are they are still going to flow a crazy amount of fuel. If you want to keep your engine safe it should really be mandatory that you look into these I think at least http://www.jandssafeguard.com/VampirePage/Vampire.html (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/true)

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?909075-Lean-Protection-Module! (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/true)
I have the second and will buy the first later

[MOTOWN]

What did you mod? It wasn't a drop- in piece?

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86268


Just add bigger injectors. If I were you being that the car is built already I'd buy some ID1300 (pricey but last set of injectors you'll ever buy) and either dual 340s or the 13/14 GT500 (which also are dual and happen to be in the 2011+ 5.0) pumps and BAP. The larger injectors will allow you to keep base fuel pressure low this ends up helping out your pumps a lot and because of how large your injectors are they are still going to flow a crazy amount of fuel. If you want to keep your engine safe it should really be mandatory that you look into these I think at least http://www.jandssafeguard.com/VampirePage/Vampire.html (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/true)

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?909075-Lean-Protection-Module! (http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/true)
I have the second and will buy the first later

This would NEVER work in a returnless style setup , ID1300s are too big!

[blkZooM]

I didn't have the return style in mind when I wrote that. But am now also curious to why that wouldn't work with a return style Motown, is it simply because of what you said the injectors are too big?


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[MOTOWN]

I didn't have the return style in mind when I wrote that. But am now also curious to why that wouldn't work with a return style Motown, is it simply because of what you said the injectors are too big?


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I meant to say returnless setup , but ID1300s are too big of an injector unless you go E85

[blkZooM]

From what I have read from ID and people in the mustang world (specifically the 13/14 GT500's which normally keep the returnless setup and just add injectors and a BAP) these have excellent drivability may it be e85 or pump gas. Anyways the advice I gave him is the route I'll take when my time comes so we will see.


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[MOTOWN]

Mustangs and Marauders are very different as far as what works for one , but you will see.