Crown vic and marauder engine swap?

[Crown Vicman]

Before I am flamed into oblivion and I know this is heresy. I am going to ask the question anyway lol but will a crown vic motor fit in a marauder?

[RF Overlord]

Will it FIT? Sure, but would be a heck of a downgrade unless highly modified...

[solo5057]

one question. WHY??????

[Crown Vicman]

Not for me but a friend that has a low mileage crown vic engine and a marauder body.

[solo5057]

I would sale the vic engine. and find a marauder engine, does the marauder have a an engine at all?

[Crown Vicman]

yes but it needs to be rebuilt

[Logizyme]

4'v get expensive to fix fast. Best finding a good donor engine or pro reman'd

Please do not neuter a marauder by vic-tomizing it.

[Bad_S55]

It'll fit, yeah, but it's hardly worth it unless it's built to the moon.

[solo5057]

if his heads are good just find a Lincoln mark 8 block put his heads on it.

[Granddaddy Marq]

if his heads are good just find a Lincoln mark 8 block put his heads on it.




And I've got a Mark 8 block for sale, and I'm in Alabama.

[Crown Vicman]

I don't know guys, I tried to get him to rebuild his motor or find a crown vic to put the motor in. All he cares about is the body. I hate to see him vic-tomize it too because all that car needs is a motor. I'll ask him about that Mark 8 motor.

[Bad_S55]

If the heads & intake are in good shape, your buddy can just put those on the Mark VIII block. Change the oil pan & pick up, front accessories, and go play.

[ledahettice]

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/hrdp-0804-ford-4-6-engine/

[solo5057]

tell him he will spend way more $$$ then its worth to put that vic engine in the marauder. and even if he puts it in. he will still have to wire it all in. plus a tune to make it run right. if he want a marauder that feel like a v6 with lots of $$$ in it. go for it. he won't be happy!!!!

[GoldPanther]

The car will lose value, unless he trades it in. Still the trade in value isn't much for an old V8.

Another vote for a teksid mark 8 block.

[MrMarauder]

I just wanted to chime in because I also have a Mark VIII. Is the Mark VIII block different or just the location of the accessories?

[MrMarauder]

Never mind, I didn't read all the comments. I'm going to quietly back out of this thread...

[MrMarauder]

If the Mark 8 block is the same as the Marauder, couldn't you just add some Mustang SVT heads for quick HP boost and call it a day? There's a set right now on eBay for $800

[blkZooM]

I'm doing it though not with a Crown Vic engine, I'm putting in Expedition 2v 5.4L with an Eaton on top, in my Marauder.


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[ctrlraven]

I'm doing it though not with a Crown Vic engine, I'm putting in Expedition 2v 5.4L with an Eaton on top, in my Marauder.


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Why not just put the Eaton on the Marauder motor??

The late gen Lightning motor (s/c 5.4 2v) makes less hp at the crank (360hp/450tq) than an Eaton swapped Marauder does at the wheels (410-420rwhp/420-440tq).

[blkZooM]

Simple (to me at least) Since the day I bought my Marauder I thought of throwing a bigger engine in it, after buying a stroker crank and reading about how a longer stroke in a 4.6L block was risky and it wouldn't last as long as a stock stroke engine, plus reading the horror stories I read that people were having with "built engines" I decided when I want to go faster going with FRPP built shortblock would probably be my safest easiest and cheapest bet.

The block in its stock form is bigger engine already, it's from FRPP and it only cost $3700. This was of course before I found out about the 5.3L that was came out but I don't feel bad the 5.4L is still a lot cheaper and the 5.3L aren't as boost friendly with the compression ratio they have with our heads.

Because our cars are heavy I've always paid more attention to torque and after reading up on the Lightnings I feel confident I can still make good power and gobs of torque even if it's a "2V". No replacement for displacement is still true.

With the expy 5.4L and its lower compression ratio I can run more boost if I wanted to and not worry about detonation, and enjoy the benefit of making lot more torque. The Lightnings make 380 hp with I think 8 psi, the numbers you said Marauders make are usually making boost between 12-15psi if I would pulley down to achieve the same boost as some with eaton marauder I would most likely be making close to or maybe even the same amount of Hp but way more torque than them.


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[MrMarauder]

There's been some concern about hood clearance after swapping a 5.4 supercharged motor like in the ford lightning. Who needs a hood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1XlX8izDM

I don't know if anyone remembers but there was supposed to be a Crown Vic counter part to the Marauder called the Ford Blackhawk but it never got the green light. The Blackhawk was intended to have the 4.6L DOHC and the Marauder was supposed to offer the 5.4L V-8. http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0101_ford_crown_victoria_b lackhawk/

[Blackened300a]

This thread makes my head hurt. You have a DOHC starting point that will outflow any of the 2V engines, but you'd rather downgrade which you think will save a couple of dollars? Tell your friend to sell the marauder with the dead engine. A clean marauder that don't run is worth more then a running crown Vic.

[RubberCtyRauder]

the 5.4 2v with blower will need a hole cut in the hood or maybe the tall cowl hood from classicglass or possibly the power bulge hood

[blkZooM]

There is two ways to get a supercharged 2v 5.4L just drop in a lightning motor like above and worry about finding a hood or just contact Tork Tech
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/15/4064203e9af98099fa16c3bb51e705 3a.jpg
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That's a 2v 5.4L in a mustang GT using the Tork tech intake this is the way I've decided to go and only way I would go honestly. I'm going to need a cowl but nothing crazy large. And Trickflow has 2V cylinder heads that either damn near outflow our heads or come very close to it so I'm not worried about that, whatever route your friends take tell him to just have fun I know I am.


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[MOTOWN]

Trick flow 2V heads wont flow what a set of stock 4V heads will! Nice try though!

[blkZooM]

Nice try? Before we get into this endless debate, about "headflow numbers" I notice you also are on lightningrodder like me I'm sure you have seen plenty of Lightnings running just ported PI heads making good power and great power when bigger blowers are thrown into the mix. Ported PI heads would have been enough for me because I know they can make the power "I" want to make, plenty of Lightnings in the 600 hp range and more when you throw on a bigger blower with them, only reason I want to go with trickflows is because they will bring up the compression ratio of the FRPP shortblock to where I want them which is about 9.5.1. If you make 750 with 4v heads and I make 750 with 2v what is the difference? And unless I've been reading the wrong information stock 4v heads flow 233 cfm intake 169 cfm @ 500 lift exhaust trickflows are 250 intake 180 exhaust @ 500 out the box. What am I trying again? Port for port C heads beat trickflows all out race car again C heads want to rev into the 7000+ C heads but for me I don't plan on going pass 6200 rpm 2V heads allow me to fit a 5.4L with a blower on top with a normal cowl hold not worry about losing my wipers will give me more torque and are capable of making the power I want to make.


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[MOTOWN]

It is completely pointless to bother with a 2V 5.4 when you can do an Eaton swap on the 4.6L and make more hp and tq than a 5.4l and not have to deal with hood clearance issues, on an already overweight car.

And also if i do a Lightning build it would be a 5.4L 4V motor.

[blkZooM]

Show me a built PD blower 4.6L automatic that has made more torque than a built PD 2v 5.4L automatic on pump gas. I'll wait. Please show me the difference between how much a 4v 4.6L iron block weighs vs a 2V iron block 5.4L I'll tell you something now it's not what you would expect. Look I get it, you wouldn't waste "YOUR" time with a 2V and that's fine I ain't trying to change your mind either. I honestly don't care which you prefer for "your" car. Like I said earlier if I can make the same amount of HP as you and even more torque under the curve what's the issue with the 2Vs on a 5.4L again?

Remember when Zack had said your mammoth intake (meant throttle body) would also be pointless (or something of that nature), How did that work out for you?

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[MOTOWN]

Hey its your ride , and your cash do what you like, i just think your trying to reinvent the wheel!

Ah yes! The Mammoth T/B my cheapest mod , and it gained me over 100hp to the wheels! I still get a chuckle out of that one.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Marauder 4.6 4V is aluminum block not steel so like 100 lbs.

[blkZooM]

Hey its your ride , and your cash do what you like, i just think your trying to reinvent the wheel!

Ah yes! The Mammoth T/B my cheapest mod , and it gained me over 100hp to the wheels! I still get a chuckle out of that one.


See I don't see it that way, parts are already there to make it happen we know a 2v 5.4 can fit, I did everything someone going to a 4v from 2v would do and that's been done countless of times far from reinventing the wheel but we can agree to disagree



Marauder 4.6 4V is aluminum block not steel so like 100 lbs.


I know that, but they're are people who have a cobra shortblock and the others who are using a big bore block which is iron, basically If you wanted to to get anywhere close to having 330 Ci you are going to add weight to the car via block period.


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[solo5057]

I like it! up load video when your done. I want to see it.

[Crown Vicman]

My friend ended up finding a good 98 Lincoln Mark VIII engine. What all should be changed besides the intake and the oil pan. I know the marauder heads flow better but would the MarkVIII heads suffice. Thanks

[Zack]

My friend ended up finding a good 98 Lincoln Mark VIII engine. What all should be changed besides the intake and the oil pan. I know the marauder heads flow better but would the MarkVIII heads suffice. Thanks

LOL!!!!!!!!

Everything needs to be changed.

Oil pan, oil pump, pickup tube, front cover, CYLINDER HEADS, upper/lower intake, exhaust manifolds....

[BAD MERC]

I have a perfect running DTR I'll sell the complete engine out of. PM me if interested. I live in Lee County Florida. I'll make the deal right to offset your travel expenses.

[Crown Vicman]

LOL!!!!!!!!

Everything needs to be changed.

Oil pan, oil pump, pickup tube, front cover, CYLINDER HEADS, upper/lower intake, exhaust manifolds....

LOL hey its not that funny. What about the motor mounts?

[tbone]

Please do not neuter a marauder by vic-tomizing it.

:beer::D:banana2:

[Logizyme]

Marauder 4.6 4V is aluminum block not steel so like 100 lbs.


What's interesting is yes the alloy vs iron 4.6l blocks do have a 80-100lb difference, but in most stock applications an alloy 4v weights within 10lbs of an iron 2v. This is because of the much larger cylinder heads, giant aluminum cam covers, and large aluminum intake manifolds on 4v where the 2v makes use of plastic composite for both valve covers and intake manifold.

[O's Fan Rich]

I often wonder why people who have already made up their minds argue about it. Just do what you want and be happy. Not everyone has to agree with your decisions, unless deep down you doubt your decision and need outside approval.

2V in a Marauder, sure why not? Have at it.
5.4 Lightning set up in a Marauder, yeah go for it!
LX swap... BB Chevy.... 2.3 turbo... what ever. If it's your car do what you want and enjoy it.

[massacre]

I know that, but they're are people who have a cobra shortblock and the others who are using a big bore block which is iron, basically If you wanted to to get anywhere close to having 330 Ci you are going to add weight to the car via block period.


As the only person in the community to put a 5.4 DOHC in my car, I can sure tell you that is BS you can use an aluminum 4.6 NVH block, and have it sleeved and take it out to 5.3. Now you have a 5.3 in a 4.6 sized package, now what? WAP block is even lighter than a teksid.
5.4 aluminum blocks are out there sure they are super expensive but they are out there. I will agree with you about the 5.4 iron block being heavy, that is the reason I removed it from my car in favor of a 4.6 Teksid.

As far as production car engines, 2V is old technology, 4V flows better it's not opinion it's fact. But I'm OK with old technology too though lol. I love carbs and pushrods too lol.

[Motorhead350]

I almost did that to get my car back on the road faster. $$$, but backed out.

I know where you are coming from.

Good luck.

[jmsa540]

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[massacre]

BTW I fully support the OP putting a 2v in the car in order to drive it. The only stipulation being that the 4v be built in the meantime.

[71cyclone]

It'll fit, yeah, but it's hardly worth it unless it's built to the moon.

Check Bull dog 5.0 for the correctly built 4.6 2v engine with Tric Flo heads .:burnout:

[blkZooM]

As the only person in the community to put a 5.4 DOHC in my car, I can sure tell you that is BS you can use an aluminum 4.6 NVH block, and have it sleeved and take it out to 5.3. Now you have a 5.3 in a 4.6 sized package, now what? WAP block is even lighter than a teksid.

5.4 aluminum blocks are out there sure they are super expensive but they are out there. I will agree with you about the 5.4 iron block being heavy, that is the reason I removed it from my car in favor of a 4.6 Teksid.



As far as production car engines, 2V is old technology, 4V flows better it's not opinion it's fact. But I'm OK with old technology too though lol. I love carbs and pushrods too lol.


You are right completely forgot about that route. It's more expensive and worrisome though for anyone who wants to do it, buying sleeves, getting them installed wishing who ever installs them actually do it right and praying to Jesus you don't window the block.
Aluminum 5.4L can't be found and if they are they cost an arm. I actually really wanted to buy a 5.8 block in the future, but figured the weight penalty is worth the price of buying one of those and also praying to Jesus that a rod never decides to exit through the side and watching over four grand maybe even more thrown away, iron blocks can be bought for like 300 dollars if that ever happened lol.

about the 4v vs 2v flowing more, I honestly don't care, I've notice in this hobby tons of people flow bench race thinking bigger has to be better. Like I said if both 2v 5.4L vs 4v go nines what exactly is their to debate about what 4v can go 8's lol. I look at flow numbers as potential, most never take advantage of it anyways on the 4v.

About the old technology, it is old, but I'm okay with it as you can see lol, everything gets old though our 4v head are old news now with the 5.0 being out and the new thing.

Speaking of pushrods If it wasn't for my Marauder being paid off, me not wanting to finance another car and just loving how the marauder looks for some reason, I would be driving a Pontiac G8, I love GM engines. I'm a bit too young for carbs lol.

I would never put 2v 4.6L in "my" car, that's a double loss nor a N/A 5.4L. I would rather wait, I drove my dads Crown Vic car feels really slow compared to when my Marauder was stock


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[massacre]

I look at flow numbers as potential, most never take advantage of it anyways on the 4v.

You aren't getting it, there is more valve area therefore the 4v will ALWAYS flow more than a 2v at any valve height. In order to match the flow of 2 intake valves, a 2v engine would need something like .830 valve lift which is not possible. Potential Shmotential.

And to say most never take advantage of it I think is inaccurate. Maybe here, but tons of Cobra and other owners are really pushing the envelope. How do you think research gets done? Most of it is not through 2v Crown Vics and Grand Marquis lol.

Getting a motor sleeved in this day and age is not as bad as you think, the technology is there, Darton makes great sleeves, as long as a reputable engine builder who has experience with sleeving is used, there usually aren't any problems. If you want easy and cheap, run away from modular Ford engines as fast as you can.
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[FordNut]

my dads Crown Vic car feels really slow compared to when my Marauder was stock

And there it is... Why put a CV engine in a MM?

[blkZooM]

And there it is... Why put a CV engine in a MM?


I'm not sure. I think we both just said the same thing FordNut because I wouldn't.


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[blkZooM]

You aren't getting it, there is more valve area therefore the 4v will ALWAYS flow more than a 2v at any valve height. In order to match the flow of 2 intake valves, a 2v engine would need something like .830 valve lift which is not possible. Potential Shmotential.



And to say most never take advantage of it I think is inaccurate. Maybe here, but tons of Cobra and other owners are really pushing the envelope. How do you think research gets done? Most of it is not through 2v Crown Vics and Grand Marquis lol.



Getting a motor sleeved in this day and age is not as bad as you think, the technology is there, Darton makes great sleeves, as long as a reputable engine builder who has experience with sleeving is used, there usually aren't any problems. If you want easy and cheap, run away from modular Ford engines as fast as you can.

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I should have stated, not many on here ever takes advantage. (I was think it anyways) It seems you seem to think that somewhere I said a 2v was better than a 4v, I don't believe that. But I see you don't get what I'm getting at, so we'll just leave it be.


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[massacre]

I should have stated, not many on here ever takes advantage. (I was think it anyways) It seems you seem to think that somewhere I said a 2v was better than a 4v, I don't believe that. But I see you don't get what I'm getting at, so we'll just leave it be.

OK sorry about that, yes I did think you said that 2v was better than 4v. I apologize for that, totally my fault.

:beer:

[ts-pa]

I have an DOHC engine still attached to wrecked car, PM me if anyone might be interested.