6R80 Swap Coming?!?!

[jwibbity]

After doing about an hour of research on the matter it seems that Performance Automatic is close to completing a stand alone controller for the 6R to be used .

It seems the 03-04 cobra guys and most 4r70 users have generated enough interest to where they are working on a solution.

Summit has a kit available on the site but it won't ship till 10/26/15.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pma-pass68100

maybe 96gt4.6 can chime in on any research on this

I also believe Baumann is also working on this also. Seems like they would have huge market for these swaps!!! (see post #68 on pg 5)

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1106258&page=5

[chief455]

Cool!!!
hope it's more cost effective than the TCI 6 speed w/paddle shifters we discussed last January

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96520

[Turbov6Bryan]

5600.00 for their stand alone

Would be nice to use our stock computer to run the stock 4.6 engine , then run the f150 trans and ecu. Fool the 6 speed trans computer into thinking it's running the 4.6 with the right inputs And like magic it's running like a dream

Love the 6 speed auto, with a tune it's a blast

[jwibbity]

5600.00 for their stand alone

Would be nice to use our stock computer to run the stock 4.6 engine , then run the f150 trans and ecu. Fool the 6 speed trans computer into thinking it's running the 4.6 with the right inputs And like magic it's running like a dream

Love the 6 speed auto, with a tune it's a blast


I think that cost is for the transmission and the controller.....:confused: More research happening right meow

[Bad_S55]

For $5600, no way! That's most of the cost to do a Coyote swap in the first place.

[FordNut]

A 4R100 kit from BTS costs about $6k, includes PCS controller and converter. Makes the 6R80 seem reasonable considering the 4R100 weight and ground clearance.

[MOTOWN]

The best way to go on a trans swap is a 4L80E, the strongest od transmission available!

[CWright]

The best way to go on a trans swap is a 4L80E, the strongest od transmission available!



It's what I have........works like a champ!

[chief455]

The best way to go on a trans swap is a 4L80E, the strongest od transmission available!


It's what I have........works like a champ!
Chevy tranny in a Ford - is that the Jenner swap?:eek:

[lji372]

Chevy tranny in a Ford - is that the Jenner swap?:eek:

If it works it works:beer:


It's what I have........works like a champ!

You mean an Olympic gold medalist :beer:

[hotford]

I would wait for the Baumann to have the controller and piece the 6R680 trans yourself....
I see stock 6R680 trans going 950s easily.

[BurpyTurtle]

Summit have updated esd:

Estimated Ship Date: 11/4/2015 (if ordered today)

[jwibbity]

From the research I've done on the issue that price will include a brand new 6R80 and the controller

[jwibbity]

So after a email to PA (Performance Automatic). The the stand alone controller should be ready for release in January.

They added me to their contact list when the controller finally hits the market!

[blkZooM]

So after a email to PA (Performance Automatic). The the stand alone controller should be ready for release in January.

They added me to their contact list when the controller finally hits the market!

Please let us know when you are updated on it, been following on/off on SVTP of someone finally making a controller for that damn trans. 4l80e would be nice but the 6r80 are stout stock and its a 6 speed.

[blkZooM]

http://www.performanceautomatic.com/news/319/6R80%20Controllers%20are%20Rea dy!%20.html

So it seems the controller is now out but if I'm reading it correctly you need already be using 5.0 engine to make this work. Seems this is something more for manual guys with the 5.0's wanting to go auto or people who are swapping coyote's in the cars. Big ass let down if it only works if you have 5.0

[vkirkend]

Chevy tranny in a Ford - is that the Jenner swap?:eek:


Could someone elaborate on this... I just killed the trans on Slayer1.....

[MOTOWN]

Could someone elaborate on this... I just killed the trans on Slayer1.....

The 6R80 is a six speed automatic transmission, but currently there is no aftermarket controller for this transmission unless your running the Coyote motor.

[RubberCtyRauder]

Could someone elaborate on this... I just killed the trans on Slayer1.....

Talk to CWright..He has a 4L80E in his Marauder

[Black Terror]

Talk to Jeff/Marty at Mo's Speed Shop who did the installation.

[blkZooM]

Could someone elaborate on this... I just killed the trans on Slayer1.....

http://http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Ford%20modular%20motor%20to%20 Chev%20adapter%20kit.htm


I did some research CWright build and I believe that is the adapter he's using, Hughes performance is another way of making the 4l80 work with an adapter.

The 4l80 seems the route to best take at the moment but I'm just too impressed win the 6r80 and what those things can handle in stock form and it being a sick speed is a added bonus.

http://http://shraderperformance.com/2015/09/6r80-transmission-conversion-for-99-04-mustangs/


Im now waiting to see when this company drops their controller supposedly the 6r80 is being used in the video they posted on their site and are even now selling 6r80 trans mounts for new edge mustangs.

[MOTOWN]

http://http://www.transmissionadapters.com/Ford%20modular%20motor%20to%20 Chev%20adapter%20kit.htm


I did some research CWright build and I believe that is the adapter he's using, Hughes performance is another way of making the 4l80 work with an adapter.

The 4l80 seems the route to best take at the moment but I'm just too impressed win the 6r80 and what those things can handle in stock form and it being a sick speed is a added bonus.

http://http://shraderperformance.com/2015/09/6r80-transmission-conversion-for-99-04-mustangs/


Im now waiting to see when this company drops their controller supposedly the 6r80 is being used in the video they posted on their site and are even now selling 6r80 trans mounts for new edge mustangs.

Both are good transmissions , but the 4L80E (basically a th 400) can handle much more power than the 6R80 , it's a bad mutha!

And the Hughes 4L80E doesn't use an adapter, it uses an aftermarket SFI bell housing.

[blkZooM]

Both are good transmissions , but the 4L80E (basically a th 400) can handle much more power than the 6R80 , it's a bad mutha!

And the Hughes 4L80E doesn't use an adapter, it uses an aftermarket SFI bell housing.

My bad meant to put "without an adapter" and didn't know that the 4l80e was still stronger, but it's still would be hella nice to throw in the 6r and know that it's going to take damn near all you can throw at it in stock form, at least in a mustang wonder how they hold up to the weight of our cars with a lot of torque. He 4l80e seems to get pricy fast when you start to build them up.

[MOTOWN]

The 6R80 in the Coyote is smooth like butta! Lidio is pushing 900+rwhp through his coyote 6R80 Mustang.

[Colt]

In 2005 Ford was using the 6HP26 (6R60/6R80) in a few 4.6L set ups I thought. Is it that hard to get to work in a 2003-04 vehicle?

The Explorer Sport Adrenaline, Mercury Mountaineer, Navigator and other vehicles had the 6 speed in 2005. I would think one could get a semi custom rebuilt one that was made for performance and not have many issues setting it up.

[blkZooM]

In 2005 Ford was using the 6HP26 (6R60/6R80) in a few 4.6L set ups I thought. Is it that hard to get to work in a 2003-04 vehicle?

The Explorer Sport Adrenaline, Mercury Mountaineer, Navigator and other vehicles had the 6 speed in 2005. I would think one could get a semi custom rebuilt one that was made for performance and not have many issues setting it up.

controlling them is the issue no one seems to know how to go about doing that.

[RubberCtyRauder]

the marauder pcm will not interface with the trans., in simplest form .

[MOTOWN]

Currently no one makes a stand-alone harness for the 6R80 transmission , only for the Coyote motor, and the transmission together.

[jwibbity]

The interface module that has to convert the info from the marauder PCM or any non-CANBUS PCM(analog) to the 6r80 (CANBUS) is the problem.

NOt really the interface but the program that runs on it is the biggest hurdle. Whoever figures out that program first will definitely make a lot of money!

[Colt]

I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.


Released by ZF in 2000 the 6HP26 transmission was the first 6 speed automatic to be used in production passenger cars. Normally reserved for high end luxury and sports cars it was in 2005 when Ford Australia released the transmission into there Falcon and Territory range of vehicles. With manufactures now looking to add more speed to there transmissions Kia & Hyundai are now using this transmission in the Kia Mohave & Hyundai Genesis V8.

The following use the Two-wheel drive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-wheel_drive) version:

2001–2008 BMW E65/E66 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E65/E66) 7 Series
2002–2005 Jaguar XK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XK)8/XKR
2003–2008 Jaguar S-Type (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_S-Type)
2003–2009 Jaguar XJ (X350) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJ_(X350))
2003–2010 BMW E63/E64 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E63/E64) 6 Series
2003-2012 Rolls-Royce Phantom (2003) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_(2003))
2007-present Rolls-Royce Phantom Drophead Coupé (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_Drophead_Coup%C3 %A9)
2004–2006 BMW E53 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E53) X5 V8
2003–2010 BMW E60 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E60) 5 Series
2005–2011 BMW E90 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E90) 3 Series
2005–present Ford Falcon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(Australia)) (BF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_BF_Falcon), FG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FG_Falcon))
2005–present Ford Territory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Territory) (SY & SY II AWD; SZ RWD)
2012-present Ford Trucks F Series - under license - Getrag 6R80 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ford_Trucks_F_ Series_-_under_license_-_Getrag_6R80&action=edit&redlink=1)
2005–2008 Lincoln Navigator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Navigator)
2006–present Jaguar XK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XK)/XKR
2007–2013 BMW E70 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E70) X5 Except 4.0d
2007–2012 Maserati Quattroporte (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Quattroporte)
2008–2012 BMW F01/02 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_F01) 7 Series (except 760i/Li and Hybrid 7)
2008–2011 Kia Mohave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Mohave)
2009–2011 Hyundai Genesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Genesis) V8 4.6L
2009–present Jaguar XF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XF)
2006-2009 Bentley Arnage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Arnage)
2008-2011 Bentley Brooklands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentley_Brooklands)


And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.

[RubberCtyRauder]

I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.



And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.

not that many marauders out there with owners willing to experiment or spend the r & d bucks to try it. why do you think most aftermarket maraudef performance parts sfe obsolete now? Procharger kit? nope, trilogy kit? nope, baer brake kit?, nope, eibach lowering kit?, nope. too small of a market now.

[blkZooM]

The interface module that has to convert the info from the marauder PCM or any non-CANBUS PCM(analog) to the 6r80 (CANBUS) is the problem.

NOt really the interface but the program that runs on it is the biggest hurdle. Whoever figures out that program first will definitely make a lot of money!

I'm starting to wonder about something, but I don't know how the 6r80 is actually controlled does it need input from the engine? would it be possible to use two pcm flash the coyote pcm and disable all the futures that we don't need and simply have it control the trans alone?


not that many marauders out there with owners willing to experiment or spend the r & d bucks to try it. why do you think most aftermarket maraudef performance parts sfe obsolete now? Procharger kit? nope, trilogy kit? nope, baer brake kit?, nope, eibach lowering kit?, nope. too small of a market now.

I plan on driving mine to the wheels fall off, and have found away around the performance issue that aren't there anymore for our cars, but the comment about two small of a market I think is wrong, though the Marauder market is too small the market to get a 6 speed auto behind a 4.6L or 5.4L is sill huge it doesn't need to be targeted at our group directly LOTS of people other than us in the modular 4.6/5.4L may it be 2v or 4v world would benefit from that experiment

I wonder if colt could be on to something, I'm going to research to see if the earlier ZF 6hp26 had the can bus system running them, I think they did... : Nope that trans is can bus controlled also. Hell that 4l80e is looking real good, i missed out on buying one for $250

[RubberCtyRauder]

he was shocked that a 6 speed auto conversion for 03-04 Maraduer was not out there...I was not including other possible 4.6 platforms. as this is a Marauder site..

[justbob]

I guess I am seeing the 6R80 as the newer version that wont work, but are 2005 6HP26 not workable either? They were built and used in 2005 and worked with the 4.6L's.

I would think the 6HP26 that's used in many vehicles by many makers would work. I can believe that in as many vehicle makers that use the 6HP26, that no one makes a custom built one that is better than Fords spin with the 6R60 or 6R80.



And no one can get a working six speed for a 2003-04 Marauder/4.6L? I am shocked.


Does a third pedal count? [emoji4]


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[jwibbity]

The 6r80 is a CAN bus controlled transmission, i.e. fully electronic and integrated into the PCM/ECM of the car or truck it came out of.

Currently to swap it into ours or any other vehicle, you will need to use the PCM of the donor vehicle, the only problem with that is you cant just use the PCM only for the trans, it must communicate with every component to work properly. Since most of us want to use the 4.6L engine we have no way of communicating with the trans.

The aftermarket controller will have two major jobs to do. First it must take inputs from the stock PCM and simulate the donor car CAN bus system for the trans to function. Then it must also take the trans inputs from the stock PCM and convert/integrate them into that CAN bus system to control the transmission.

All these companies like PA and Baumann are promising stand alone controllers for non-coyote vehicles but nothing has been brought to the market yet.

I've just emailed PA, USshift/Baumann, and Schrader Performance who was said to have successfully done it

[jwibbity]

PA just emailed me back, they are expecting release to be mid-August for the non-coyote 6R80 controller.

Baumann has a 6r80 behind a pushrod 5.0L in a SN95 mustang and is expecting a fall release date. They are working on the the whole "simplifying the tuning process" for the trans.

This will happen but we will see the limitations when they actually release them.

[jwibbity]

Reply back from Power by the Hour

Jordan,


We do not have a stand alone trans controller for the 6r80. Our system is designed to work with a factory pcm where it runs the engine and the transmission so that the 6r80 can be used with torq management. Stand alone controllers to date can not do this and will not be able to deliver what you see done in the 11-up cars.


If you can figure out how to get the 4v to work with the factory auto coyote pcm then you can use what we have. To do so someone one needs to add the throttle body, knock sensors, cht, ect, etc from an coyote so that you can use the coytoe harness and subsequently the pcm as well.


Currently we do not have plans to do so here in house. Our next venture maybe for the 3v guys so they can dump the 5r55 trans.


Frank Perdomo

Power By The Hour Performance
561-737-2331
www.pbhperformance.com
215 SE 8th Ave
Boynton Beach, Fl
33435

[Colt]

The 6r80 is a CAN bus controlled transmission, i.e. fully electronic and integrated into the PCM/ECM of the car or truck it came out of.

Currently to swap it into ours or any other vehicle, you will need to use the PCM of the donor vehicle, the only problem with that is you cant just use the PCM only for the trans, it must communicate with every component to work properly. Since most of us want to use the 4.6L engine we have no way of communicating with the trans.

The aftermarket controller will have two major jobs to do. First it must take inputs from the stock PCM and simulate the donor car CAN bus system for the trans to function. Then it must also take the trans inputs from the stock PCM and convert/integrate them into that CAN bus system to control the transmission.

All these companies like PA and Baumann are promising stand alone controllers for non-coyote vehicles but nothing has been brought to the market yet.

I've just emailed PA, USshift/Baumann, and Schrader Performance who was said to have successfully done it


I guess what I don't understand is that the vehicles with the like transmission have tuning kits that as far as I know adjust the trans for shift points and other things. Its used in many apps on many vehicles. I know little about 'tech' but could a PCM from a 4.6L Explorer/F150 that uses the Trans be reprogramed for use in a Marauder? Swap and adjust the PCM? Our vehicles have a weight like a mid size SUV and the PCM's are similar.

I am amazed that people can break PCM tuning codes in a few months or a year when the factory tries to keep it secured, yet a 15+ year old transmission used by most vehicle makers in many different vehicles is more secured than Fort Knox. More so when Ford based Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Range Rover seem to use them.

There might be about 25 million plus of these transmissions made, and they are limited only what they were designed to be used in 15 years later. I give props to the over all team that made them and wish would Governments would use them for security devices and measures...

[jwibbity]

I guess what I don't understand is that the cars

??????????????

[blkZooM]

If you can figure out how to get the 4v to work with the factory auto coyote pcm then you can use what we have.

This is why I am so interested in this now someone one on SVTP has done this exact thing in his GT500 another has also got it done in his 2014/13 GT500 He did a write up on it got pissed at someone and took it down. ill link the thread http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?1087721-Gt500-6r80-swap/page8
I've linked in towards the end but read post 192, this can be done it seems biggest hurdle for us early 4v guys would be the "Drive by wire" throttle body

[jwibbity]

I guess what I don't understand is that the vehicles with the like transmission have tuning kits that as far as I know adjust the trans for shift points and other things. Its used in many apps on many vehicles. I know little about 'tech' but could a PCM from a 4.6L Explorer/F150 that uses the Trans be reprogramed for use in a Marauder? Swap and adjust the PCM? Our vehicles have a weight like a mid size SUV and the PCM's are similar.

I am amazed that people can break PCM tuning codes in a few months or a year when the factory tries to keep it secured, yet a 15+ year old transmission used by most vehicle makers in many different vehicles is more secured than Fort Knox. More so when Ford based Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Range Rover seem to use them.

There might be about 25 million plus of these transmissions made, and they are limited only what they were designed to be used in 15 years later. I give props to the over all team that made them and wish would Governments would use them for security devices and measures...

The problem is our PCM and the PCM's that communicate with the 6R speak different languages. The PCM out of a CAN bus system can be reprogrammed but the whole system would have to be converted over to a CAN bus network, which means converting over all component's that send analog signals to the stock PCM to now send digital signals to the reprogrammed new PCM

[blkZooM]

The problem is our PCM and the PCM's that communicate with the 6R speak different languages. The PCM out of a CAN bus system can be reprogrammed but the whole system would have to be converted over to a CAN bus network, which means converting over all component's that send analog signals to the stock PCM to now send digital signals to the reprogrammed new PCM

wonder if someone could make something that is a translator so to speak between the two languages

[jwibbity]

wonder if someone could make something that is a translator so to speak between the two languages

that will be the responsiblity of the stand alone controller and that's probably the reason it's taking so long to produce. It's easy to do when it's working in its designed enviorment but now the software will have to be completely rewritten to accomodate us 4v D.B.W. guys.

It's already been integrated into the GT500's

[96gt4.6]

The other issue here will be the transmission 'characterization'.

You see, with past automatics you had solenoids in the transmission that actuated spool valves to direct the fluid to complete a shift/ect. These solenoids were precisely wound and had a very specific resistance (number of windings=strength of magnetic field produced which equates to how far you move the spool valve/pintle). What does this mean exactly? You could pretty much put 12v and ground the specific solenoid in the trans on the older transmissions and get it to shift and shift right. This is how the aftermarket controllers essentially work for the 4R70W/ect. They use inputs from the throttle/ect, and simply ground the solenoid(s) needed to select a gear.

Fast forward to 2011+ 6R80 units (and other current Ford transmissions). Now, the game has changed. Solenoids are still used, however to save manufacturing costs they are NOT built with precise windings. What does this mean? Reduced production costs. Now, the O.E. manufacturers thought of a GREAT idea.....make solenoids with a much more wide electrical specification, and we'll change how much current we run through them to alter their movement (remember, less/more windings=more or less magnetic field and therefore movement on the shift valve).

So, what this boils down to is on the 6R80, the PCM controlling it must be programmed to the specific set of solenoids in THAT particular transmission. No two 6R80's will usually have the same combination of solenoids resistance wise.

I believe this is where part of the stumbling block for the aftermarket has been. IF you simply throw a 6R80 into something without programming the transmission's 'characterization' strategy into the pcm, the shifts will be too hard/soft/slip and it shifts/flares like crazy.

Those of you that know about my Marauder/Coyote/6R80 swap will see how I circumvented this. I used the stock Coyote PCM AND matching 6R80 from the same donor vehicle. Although, I have the ability to program any trans strategy if I ever had to change it out for some reason (it's actually only the main control/TCM that causes the need to update the trans strategy).

I'm very curious to see how the aftermarket controller will function once it comes. Someone will make one, but my question, can you bolt it up to any old 6R80 and get it to shift as smoothly as a stock vehicle, yet get the tire shredding shifts at wide open? Or, will you be stuck with using it in a 'kit' with only their transmission that will possibly have a unique valve body for their controller?

As far as a retro kit, i'm sure it will happen in time as well. Transmissions are simplistic in nature, they simply have solenoids that will apply whichever gear they are told, so it's a matter of time before this trans becomes more popular and a company gets the R&D time to make such a device.

But my concern, will always be and as those that have a stand alone controller for the 4R70W, will they ever get them to function as smoothly and as silky as using the stock PCM/controls? That, is the biggest thing I would worry about.

[jwibbity]

Double Post.....

[jwibbity]

Reply from Schrader Performance in NC

We are working on that development now but do not have an ETA yet. Our ’99 Mustang shop car is currently performing well, and we are testing on the track as well as the street. Keep up to date with the progress on our website or our Facebook page at ShraderEngines.

[jwibbity]

The other issue here will be the transmission 'characterization'.

You see, with past automatics you had solenoids in the transmission that actuated spool valves to direct the fluid to complete a shift/ect. These solenoids were precisely wound and had a very specific resistance (number of windings=strength of magnetic field produced which equates to how far you move the spool valve/pintle). What does this mean exactly? You could pretty much put 12v and ground the specific solenoid in the trans on the older transmissions and get it to shift and shift right. This is how the aftermarket controllers essentially work for the 4R70W/ect. They use inputs from the throttle/ect, and simply ground the solenoid(s) needed to select a gear.

Fast forward to 2011+ 6R80 units (and other current Ford transmissions). Now, the game has changed. Solenoids are still used, however to save manufacturing costs they are NOT built with precise windings. What does this mean? Reduced production costs. Now, the O.E. manufacturers thought of a GREAT idea.....make solenoids with a much more wide electrical specification, and we'll change how much current we run through them to alter their movement (remember, less/more windings=more or less magnetic field and therefore movement on the shift valve).

So, what this boils down to is on the 6R80, the PCM controlling it must be programmed to the specific set of solenoids in THAT particular transmission. No two 6R80's will usually have the same combination of solenoids resistance wise.

I believe this is where part of the stumbling block for the aftermarket has been. IF you simply throw a 6R80 into something without programming the transmission's 'characterization' strategy into the pcm, the shifts will be too hard/soft/slip and it shifts/flares like crazy.

Those of you that know about my Marauder/Coyote/6R80 swap will see how I circumvented this. I used the stock Coyote PCM AND matching 6R80 from the same donor vehicle. Although, I have the ability to program any trans strategy if I ever had to change it out for some reason (it's actually only the main control/TCM that causes the need to update the trans strategy).

I'm very curious to see how the aftermarket controller will function once it comes. Someone will make one, but my question, can you bolt it up to any old 6R80 and get it to shift as smoothly as a stock vehicle, yet get the tire shredding shifts at wide open? Or, will you be stuck with using it in a 'kit' with only their transmission that will possibly have a unique valve body for their controller?

As far as a retro kit, i'm sure it will happen in time as well. Transmissions are simplistic in nature, they simply have solenoids that will apply whichever gear they are told, so it's a matter of time before this trans becomes more popular and a company gets the R&D time to make such a device.

But my concern, will always be and as those that have a stand alone controller for the 4R70W, will they ever get them to function as smoothly and as silky as using the stock PCM/controls? That, is the biggest thing I would worry about.

How does this work for the Ford Dealers that have to repair these?? Would they have stock various different resistance solenoids for every different transmission? I know the trans was built pretty stout but from a long time frame stand point having to produce and stock all those different solenoids will have it's cost also.

[jwibbity]

Reply from Baumann

Jordan,

Thanks for contacting us.

We hope to have it available this fall. Please like our Facebook page and bookmark our website for updates...
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Best Regards,
Jake Chandler
Baumann Electronic Controls, LLC
support@usshift.com
(864) 646-8920

[96gt4.6]

How does this work for the Ford Dealers that have to repair these?? Would they have stock various different resistance solenoids for every different transmission? I know the trans was built pretty stout but from a long time frame stand point having to produce and stock all those different solenoids will have it's cost also.

Correct.

There are 4 different resistances for each solenoid. When one is replaced, it must be replaced with the same number solenoid.

I will be very curious to see how they achieve getting around this issue.

Not saying it won't happen, it will. And once it does, it will be very popular I believe. The 6R80 is a brute to say the least, and can take a whippin' and not even care in stock form.

My biggest issue if I were buying an aftermarket controller, is can it function like stock.....as far as street manners and O.E. like shift quality.

In my experience, there are usually hiccups. Too firm of shifts, incorrect up/down shifts or pressures, ect. But, then again, that's part of this game I suppose....if you want O.E. quality you have to use O.E. on most things.

If there was a company willing to touch base on how they achieve the solenoid concern, that would be awesome, i'm very curious to see how that side of it was circumvented, having complete knowledge of how the O.E. side of it works. However, that type of information would be trade secret and probably not willingly shared in writing.

[blkZooM]

Well seems like a controller has finally arrived, I now know what I want for Christmas.

https://www.facebook.com/USShift/

[Jigginadeal]

So where are we on this. Is there a good option for a six speed automatic for our cars?

[jmsa540]

Subbed!! Looking to see what happens!

[lji372]

:woohoo:

we'll see where this leads.......

[MENINBLK]

Guys,

I have a little knowledge in automation and I think most of you are not wrapping your head around CANBus...

Just like the Internet communicates over ETHERNET, CANBus is a communication technology.
Once you implement automation on CANBus, the entire system is wired to communicate across this CANBus network.
The Marauder PCM does NOT use a network to read sensor input and control data output. It uses drivers to vary voltage and current.
This is the way an OBD-II system works.
The NEW ODB system runs everything across a CANBus network.
So sensors have a CANBus port on them to pass the signals to the PCM across the CANBus network.
Output modules have CANBus ports on them so that they can react to the output signals the PCM sends across the CANBus network to them.
DRIVE BY WIRE works purely across a CANBus/ServoDrive network.
Our Marauders would have to be completely rewired for CANBus in order to make this swap a reality, and if someone were to do that,
only the mechanical/physical limitations would keep you from utilizing ANYTHING CANBus compatible.

[blkZooM]

Guys,

I have a little knowledge in automation and I think most of you are not wrapping your head around CANBus...

Just like the Internet communicates over ETHERNET, CANBus is a communication technology.
Once you implement automation on CANBus, the entire system is wired to communicate across this CANBus network.
The Marauder PCM does NOT use a network to read sensor input and control data output. It uses drivers to vary voltage and current.
This is the way an OBD-II system works.
The NEW ODB system runs everything across a CANBus network.
So sensors have a CANBus port on them to pass the signals to the PCM across the CANBus network.
Output modules have CANBus ports on them so that they can react to the output signals the PCM sends across the CANBus network to them.
DRIVE BY WIRE works purely across a CANBus/ServoDrive network.
Our Marauders would have to be completely rewired for CANBus in order to make this swap a reality, and if someone were to do that,
only the mechanical/physical limitations would keep you from utilizing ANYTHING CANBus compatible.

Thanks for explaining that. So which do the 2005+ Panthers which all have DBW have, I know it isn't a CANbus system or is it in a way?

[Taemian]

Soooo....anyone have a 6r80 in a Marauder yet?