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    Talking Marauder Has Good Showing @Drag Strip

    Went to No Problem Raceway tonite. Hot 87* and humid 80%.

    In the times trials ran 14.416, 14.315 & 14.334 w/ RT's of .222, .204 & .073. Set the dial in to 14.31.

    First race againest a 396 1969? Camaro with drag radials. my R/T was .173 and ET 14.46.

    Second race againest a pick up. He way red lited so I took my time crossing the starting line, 14.301 w/ RT .383.

    This was a mistake be cause for the next round I being the one with the narrowest win went againest the one with the greatest win, LS-1 TransAm and he also got to pick his lane. He picked the right lane.

    When I do time trials I usually go in the right lane because my left eye has better vision. Now I will split for equal starts in each to make me equally comfortable with each lane.

    I change my Dial In to 14.29.

    His Dial In is 12.80. My R/T is .211 to his .155. We are running down the track and he is slowly but surely catching me. We get to the finish and he beats me by inches.

    My ET is 14.350 to his 12.818. He beat me by .0988!
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    Nice runs.

    Bracket racing comes down to thousandth's of a second.

    You'll get him next time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailsmen
    I change my Dial In to 14.29.

    His Dial In is 12.80. My R/T is .211 to his .155. We are running down the track and he is slowly but surely catching me. We get to the finish and he beats me by inches.

    My ET is 14.350 to his 12.818. He beat me by .0988!
    Yeah, but he beat you not because he crossed the finish line first, but because his ET was only .018 seconds slower than his dial-in time, while yours was .06 seconds slower than your dial-in time. Still very close though.

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    He crossed the finish line first by .098 seconds of which .056 was due to a better reaction time and .042 was due to his closer ET to Dial In.

    I was going with easy launches and I was also afraid I would break out. The racing started at 8:00 pm and the temp was just starting to drop before the humid could start raising.

    I thought he got me but wasn't certain because it was so close.
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    yes, but you are aware that even if you had crossed the finish line first, you still would've lost if he ran an ET that was closer to his dial-in time than yours ET was to your dail-in, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyGman
    yes, but you are aware that even if you had crossed the finish line first, you still would've lost if he ran an ET that was closer to his dial-in time than yours ET was to your dail-in, right?
    I beleive if I crossed first I won. I thnk the only time that what you are saying comes into to play is if we finished dead even.

    Perhaps one of our experienced braket racers can comment.
    Last edited by sailsmen; 10-02-2004 at 08:07 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailsmen
    Went to No Problem Raceway tonite. Hot 87* and humid 80%.

    In the times trials ran 14.416, 14.315 & 14.334 w/ RT's of .222, .204 & .073. Set the dial in to 14.31.

    First race againest a 396 1969? Camaro with drag radials. my R/T was .173 and ET 14.46.

    Second race againest a pick up. He way red lited so I took my time crossing the starting line, 14.301 w/ RT .383.

    This was a mistake be cause for the next round I being the one with the narrowest win went againest the one with the greatest win, LS-1 TransAm and he also got to pick his lane. He picked the right lane.

    When I do time trials I usually go in the right lane because my left eye has better vision. Now I will split for equal starts in each to make me equally comfortable with each lane.

    I change my Dial In to 14.29.

    His Dial In is 12.80. My R/T is .211 to his .155. We are running down the track and he is slowly but surely catching me. We get to the finish and he beats me by inches.

    My ET is 14.350 to his 12.818. He beat me by .0988!


    He had a headstart....due to reaction times: .211 - .155 = .056 to him.

    Your time - His time (difference between dial ins):

    14.350 - 14.29 = .06

    12.818 - 12.8 = .018

    .06 - .018 = .042


    .042 + .056 = .098


    Should be right on.
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    The style of Bracket Racing is Dial In Heads Up.

    Before the water box are digital signs for each lane displaying the Dial In. A box is placed between the trees to prevent view of your competitors tree while you are on the line.

    The green light for the faster dial in goes off after the slower dial in by exactly the difference between the 2 Dial Ins. The faster dial in car must pass the slower dial in car.

    Assuming both cars ET is exactly their Dial In, the one with the lower R/T would cross first and win.
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    Also....if I'm reading this correctly:


    In order for you to have crossed the finish line first...you would have had to "break out"....by going .098 faster than you did....which would put you at 14.252.


    If your reaction time had been equal to his: say .155....then he would still have won because he was closer to his dial in. But...he would have only beat you by .042. In order for you to have won (with the same reaction time) you would have had to run a 14.35 - .042 = 14.308 (actually would have been a tie as both reaction times were equal and you were both .018 above your dial ins......

    SOOOO! The Winning time with equal RT's would have to have been 14.307. Best way to look at is this: If your reaction time difference (yours ++) is larger than the difference between his dial in and actual time....your out of luck. Theres no way to win without breaking out.


    In time trials...non bracket racing.....your reaction time doesn't play a part of your actually ET's. In actual bracket racing...it does. Your ET doesn't change...but you're also racing against your opponents reaction time so it does play a fairly large part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailsmen
    The style of Bracket Racing is Dial In Heads Up.

    Before the water box are digital signs for each lane displaying the Dial In. A box is placed between the trees to prevent view of your competitors tree while you are on the line.

    The green light for the faster dial in goes off after the slower dial in by exactly the difference between the 2 Dial Ins. The faster dial in car must pass the slower dial in car.

    Assuming both cars ET is exactly their Dial In, the one with the lower R/T would cross first and win.

    Edited: Read your question wrong.

    You are correct. If both cars hit their dial in nuts on....then the one with the faster reaction time wins.
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    If he took the stripe by .09 (almost a tenth) then he took a big chance of breaking out. Given that you were so far behind (.09 ~ 1 car length) your only chance to win would have been to slam on the brakes at the end and hope that he breaks out. If you can't take the stripe and he's not playing the finish line (looking to see where you are and adjusting his lead) then don't take the risk of losing on a double break out.

    The lights are timed so that every race will be a tie if both cars run their number exactly and cut identical lights. Odds of that happening are worse than hitting super lotto.

    Also, the first to red light loses and the other guys win light instantly come on. Therefore, treat it as a time run and another opportunity to practice at the tree.

    Does any of this make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpy
    If he took the stripe by .09 (almost a tenth) then he took a big chance of breaking out. Given that you were so far behind (.09 ~ 1 car length) your only chance to win would have been to slam on the brakes at the end and hope that he breaks out. If you can't take the stripe and he's not playing the finish line (looking to see where you are and adjusting his lead) then don't take the risk of losing on a double break out.

    The lights are timed so that every race will be a tie if both cars run their number exactly and cut identical lights. Odds of that happening are worse than hitting super lotto.

    Also, the first to red light loses and the other guys win light instantly come on. Therefore, treat it as a time run and another opportunity to practice at the tree.

    Does any of this make sense?
    I agree to a point.

    Bracket racing is about really knowing your car....and having good reaction times.

    As a newbie bracket racer I always set my dial in lower than what I thought she would run....because I was so afraid of breaking out....and I lost most of my races.

    What people need to do is set their dial to what they feel the car is going to run...to the .001's

    Then when you're getting to the end of the strip...if you see your ahead.....you can touch the brakes or let off.

    If you know your car....you should be able to dial in...hit the gas and just go. Simply put...just go!!! If you break out...it won't be by much.
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    Stumpy, I don't know what you mean by the "stripe". Some of that racing jargon throws me off. But quite simply, isn't it true that in bracket racing,your reaction time does NOT effect your ET, and that it doesn't matter at all what your reaction time is? And isn't it true that in bracket racing you're simply racing the clock, and that even if you sat there w/your car perfectly still for 3 full seconds behind the starting line after the light turns green, that the clock isn't going to start recording your ET for your lane until your car begins to move? That's what my understanding is.

    If what I'm saying is true, then in bracket racing your reaction time doesn't matter, and the only importance to working on your reaction time ("RT") is that it serves as good practice for IF and when you get to the final shootout, since many events include "heads-up" racing in the final shootout where ofcourse your reaction time DOES matter, and where there isn't any requirement for a dail-in, nor does it include any handicapping of the timing of the green lights for either lane like there is in bracket racing.
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    In any type of drag racing....:

    RT does not effect ET....BUT!!!!:

    In bracket racing:

    The difference is RT is added or subtracted from the difference in ET's.....as posted in my above calculations.

    RT; Reaction Time is very important in bracket racing. Say your opponent hits a perfect reaction time. You do a .250 reaction time (1/4 a second). This means that you give him a .250 second head start. .250 seconds is a huge difference in bracket racing.
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