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    Help! 2nd Transmission Gone

    I was driving at 80 mph and floored it. I heard strange sounds like a belt went.
    The "Check engine light" did not gon on. I went to the side of the road and could not go any faster than 40 mph at 3000 rpm. I obviously could not go into third gear.

    History
    My first transmission went at 8800 miles. I had my own transimission upgraded with a rebuild kit from Performance Automatic of New Jersey. Performance Automatic Rebuild Kit ("Super Streeter" version -600 hp max suggested- one grade less than their dragster which is their top of the line version). I bought (1) Valve body: p/n PA45301L ($280) (shifts more like a police interceptor than a dragster) (The original valve body was not visibly damaged but it still could have been. I did not want to have someone autopsy it at an additional cost to later find out that it should be replaced anyway.) (2) P/N 4PA45401 ($622), AODE overhaul kit, 8- Alto Red Eagle racing clutches, Kevlar band, Kolene steels (fit between the other 8 clutches), gasket and bushings.

    General facts
    1) My max. boost is 5 psig at highway speeds
    2) I got 22000 miles out of this transmission. This is much better than the 8800 miles out of the factory original transmmission.

    Performance Automatic Comment
    Without the transmission being removed yet, Bill made a comment that "these transmissions can't take that much power in 3rd or 4th gear". I asked him if he has had any other MM with the same problem. He didn't recall. It is possible other Marauders have had the same problem but he doesn't know if a dealer may have called in for a "Super Streeter" version without mentioning the name MM. He said that it is likely the "stub shaft and cluthches" that went because 3rd gear failed. If it was just overdrive, than it would have been the "bands". My dealer will be removing the transmission to corroborate the condition that Performance Automatic has speculated about. Performance Automatic has a hardened steel stub shaft in stock as a solution.
    He did mention that a MM from the Maryland area had a transmission upgrade and is a 12 second car. The car had a very tight rear end as evidenced by the tendency to have the rear wheels almost hop slightly. Who are you?

    Driving habits
    I have run the car at a drag strip only 10 times. 7 of those times was just a few days ago. I floor my gas pedal about twice a week on average.

    How much more can go wrong with my car? I guess it goes with the territory. Imagine my potential problems if I go to 600 RWHP like Martyo?

    Let's hear from the "Best and Brightest".
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    2003 Dark Blue Pearl 300B (Canadian) w/Light Flint (reversed
    traction control, mini spare, trunked 6 disc CD changer,
    clock-in-the-radio, heated front seats/mirrors, hood light)
    -Born 12/10/02; converted new then used 2/28/03
    -26,000 miles
    -18.5 mpg at a steady speed of 80 mph, one tank of gas
    -Stock transmission upgraded with Performance Automatic
    "Super Streeter" transmission version
    -Wheel locks (Ford); godshead valve stem caps
    -Badgeless front grille by “Zack”
    -Zaino waxing; RainX; front Autobhanded
    Kenny Brown: 6th “Signature Series” conversion (450 hp) Born
    3/28/03 (first drove it)
    -Vortech supercharger (5 to 7 psig boost)
    -377 RWTQ
    -Metco control arms
    -4.10 gears
    -14 in. BaerClaw front brakes, two piston, slotted rotors
    -MMX Driveshaft
    -Precision, triple disc, P/N469018-3 Precision, triple disc, P/N469018-3
    -Ford Racing Stud and Girdle
    -Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico (front 255/45ZR18 99Y; rear
    255/50ZR18 102Y)
    -Dead pedal
    -FordChip
    -3/4 of a coil from each front stock spring removed to produce
    the “same” effect as an Eibach spring
    -Ground clearance: 5 in.
    ______________________________ ___________________________
    1961 Ford Galaxie, 2 dr. Club Victoria, 390CID, 375hp, 4 barrel (gone)
    BlueWaterMan

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Russo
    I guess it goes with the territory. Imagine my potential problems if I go to 600 RWHP like Martyo?
    Yes John it does go with the territory. I don't know what will break in my tranny or when. I have the utmost of confidence in the fellows who built my tranny (the "Bradshaw Boys" of Team Ford fame) and they tell me that they have done their best to get it right and make it hard to break, but who knows?

    Note though that there are a lot of guys throwing down a lot more than 600 rwhp through these automatic trannys and they don't break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyo
    Yes John it does go with the territory. I don't know what will break in my tranny or when. I have the utmost of confidence in the fellows who built my tranny (the "Bradshaw Boys" of Team Ford fame) and they tell me that they have done their best to get it right and make it hard to break, but who knows?

    Note though that there are a lot of guys throwing down a lot more than 600 rwhp through these automatic trannys and they don't break.
    I'm glad you responded first. I now have more hope.

    But why me with my high performance Baer front brakes failing (on my 2nd set) and my Performance Automatic modded transmission (going on to my 2nd rebuild)?

    Of course I may now consider the "Bradshaw Boys" version. What will the approximate cost be from them?

    P.S. Is your super MM car going to be a daily driver? I can make a trip to the New York area, may I see your car sometime?
    Last edited by John F. Russo; 10-27-2004 at 08:46 AM.
    BlueWaterMan

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    I had the DR level 2 kit put in at Team Ford by the Bradshaws. The DR kit came with the Kevlar bands and clutches in addition to the spiralock ring for the mechanical diode and a hardened stub shaft. It had instructions and drill bits for converting the valve body to the J-mod type improvements (although technically not the J-mod, it's close to the same) and forced lube for the tailshaft bushing (still a lot of dispute as to whether this is useful or important, but it hasn't had any negative effects). Granted I'm not blown yet, but I believe Dennis' statements that the tranny with these improvements should be adequate for the power levels we're looking at with Marauders.
    Thanks to Darrin @ BC Automotive:
    $1800 and it was worse than when he started!

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    John the only clue I've been getting is from Logan, and others, that when you go WOT, make sure the OD button is pushed, first. In other words, make sure you are NOT in overdrive when you hammer it. Do you have the drive shaft mod? The reason I ask is wondering if the stock unit winds up/flex under sudden heavy power dumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Russo
    P.S. Is your super MM car going to be a daily driver? I can make a trip to the New York area, may I see your car sometime?
    Don't know on the cost, but a number of the Souther fellows can put you in tocuh with them. I supposed you could ship yoru tranny down to them in teh ATL for service and have it shipped back if that is the route you want to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Poore
    John the only clue I've been getting is from Logan, and others, that when you go WOT, make sure the OD button is pushed, first. In other words, make sure you are NOT in overdrive when you hammer it. Do you have the drive shaft mod? The reason I ask is wondering if the stock unit winds up/flex under sudden heavy power dumps.


    Mike Poore
    Thank you for the suggestion. I guess that is what I have to do if I don't want to have to replace the transmission every 22000 miles.

    Martyo
    "Don't know on the cost, but a number of the Souther fellows can put you in tocuh with them."

    Can any of you Southern boys check in with a telephone number please?(P.S. I know I'm from Massachusetts but I am more conservative than many of you. So don't hold that against me.)
    BlueWaterMan

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    John,
    Does that mean that you are voting against the prevailing grain in Mass?
    Just kidding and not derailing your thread.
    Trannys: How manny clutches are there for OD vs. First, Second and Third Gears? Is that the gist of the AOD self-destruction when punching it at 60mph? Enquiring minds...

    GordonB
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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Russo
    I have run the car at a drag strip only 10 times. 7 of those times was just a few days ago. I floor my gas pedal about twice a week on average.
    Wish you had posted this before I made 6 runs on Saturday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluerauder
    Wish you had posted this before I made 6 runs on Saturday.
    Even though you're from Virginia, are you saying that you were in the area of the New England Dragway located in New Hampshire?
    BlueWaterMan

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonB
    John,
    Does that mean that you are voting against the prevailing grain in Mass?
    Just kidding and not derailing your thread.
    Trannys: How manny clutches are there for OD vs. First, Second and Third Gears? Is that the gist of the AOD self-destruction when punching it at 60mph? Enquiring minds...

    GordonB
    I really don't know the answer to this since its been several months since I have seen the clutches.

    Update
    According to Tom, the guru at Performance Automatic, my condition is caused by the stub shaft and clutches. I won't know this until tomorrow when Wall's Lincoln Mercury dealer opens up my transmission. Performance already has a hardened steel stub shaft that will essentially eliminate future damage. I'm not sure why they didn't offer it to me to begin with.

    Driving TIp
    I was recently told that it is possible to blow one's S/C engine if one doesn't drop to 3rd gear before flooring the pedal. I run at a "delivered" 5 psig boost.
    The higher the boost, the greater the possibility that one will blow a S/C engine. Any other thoughts about this statement?
    BlueWaterMan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluerauder
    Wish you had posted this before I made 6 runs on Saturday.
    Gordon & Charlie: did you notice John's list of mods? I don't think we have anything to worry about with our bone stock MM's. Nevertheless, I'm very careful about the position of that O/D button when I go WOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Russo
    I was driving at 80 mph and floored it. I heard strange sounds like a belt went.
    The "Check engine light" did not gon on. I went to the side of the road and could not go any faster than 40 mph at 3000 rpm. I obviously could not go into third gear.

    History
    My first transmission went at 8800 miles. I had my own transimission upgraded with a rebuild kit from Performance Automatic of New Jersey. Performance Automatic Rebuild Kit ("Super Streeter" version -600 hp max suggested- one grade less than their dragster which is their top of the line version). I bought (1) Valve body: p/n PA45301L ($280) (shifts more like a police interceptor than a dragster) (The original valve body was not visibly damaged but it still could have been. I did not want to have someone autopsy it at an additional cost to later find out that it should be replaced anyway.) (2) P/N 4PA45401 ($622), AODE overhaul kit, 8- Alto Red Eagle racing clutches, Kevlar band, Kolene steels (fit between the other 8 clutches), gasket and bushings.

    General facts
    1) My max. boost is 5 psig at highway speeds
    2) I got 22000 miles out of this transmission. This is much better than the 8800 miles out of the factory original transmmission.

    Performance Automatic Comment
    Without the transmission being removed yet, Bill made a comment that "these transmissions can't take that much power in 3rd or 4th gear". I asked him if he has had any other MM with the same problem. He didn't recall. It is possible other Marauders have had the same problem but he doesn't know if a dealer may have called in for a "Super Streeter" version without mentioning the name MM. He said that it is likely the "stub shaft and cluthches" that went because 3rd gear failed. If it was just overdrive, than it would have been the "bands". My dealer will be removing the transmission to corroborate the condition that Performance Automatic has speculated about. Performance Automatic has a hardened steel stub shaft in stock as a solution.
    He did mention that a MM from the Maryland area had a transmission upgrade and is a 12 second car. The car had a very tight rear end as evidenced by the tendency to have the rear wheels almost hop slightly. Who are you?

    Driving habits
    I have run the car at a drag strip only 10 times. 7 of those times was just a few days ago. I floor my gas pedal about twice a week on average.

    How much more can go wrong with my car? I guess it goes with the territory. Imagine my potential problems if I go to 600 RWHP like Martyo?

    Let's hear from the "Best and Brightest".
    ______________________________ _____________________
    2003 Dark Blue Pearl 300B (Canadian) w/Light Flint (reversed
    traction control, mini spare, trunked 6 disc CD changer,
    clock-in-the-radio, heated front seats/mirrors, hood light)
    -Born 12/10/02; converted new then used 2/28/03
    -26,000 miles
    -18.5 mpg at a steady speed of 80 mph, one tank of gas
    -Stock transmission upgraded with Performance Automatic
    "Super Streeter" transmission version
    -Wheel locks (Ford); godshead valve stem caps
    -Badgeless front grille by “Zack”
    -Zaino waxing; RainX; front Autobhanded
    Kenny Brown: 6th “Signature Series” conversion (450 hp) Born
    3/28/03 (first drove it)
    -Vortech supercharger (5 to 7 psig boost)
    -377 RWTQ
    -Metco control arms
    -4.10 gears
    -14 in. BaerClaw front brakes, two piston, slotted rotors
    -MMX Driveshaft
    -Precision, triple disc, P/N469018-3 Precision, triple disc, P/N469018-3
    -Ford Racing Stud and Girdle
    -Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico (front 255/45ZR18 99Y; rear
    255/50ZR18 102Y)
    -Dead pedal
    -FordChip
    -3/4 of a coil from each front stock spring removed to produce
    the “same” effect as an Eibach spring
    -Ground clearance: 5 in.
    ______________________________ ___________________________
    1961 Ford Galaxie, 2 dr. Club Victoria, 390CID, 375hp, 4 barrel (gone)

    John I ave a very good kit lots of members here have used it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Russo
    Even though you're from Virginia, are you saying that you were in the area of the New England Dragway located in New Hampshire?
    John,
    We had 9 Marauders (7 black, 1 blue and 1 silver) that ran at Mason-Dixon Dragway last Saturday in Hagerstown, MD. Another thread "Drag Racers" tells the whole story on that event.
    Bluerauder
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    Mike,

    Are you saying that if the car is in O/D with the TC locked and you floor it you are apt to break something?? I have passed under these conditions and it felt like the TC did not unlock making the downshift and subsequent upshift pretty harsh!!

    Just wondering if you or someone can elaborate??

    Marauderjack
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