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    Went to see 2016 last night. Excellent documentory, the info that the media refused to report because of their bias (this was malpractice) exposed by D'Sousa's investigation & research so people can make an informed decision now. Whether you are for him or against him, don't make your decision until you learn who he is. Definately worth the trip to the cinema.

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    So was like that 911 film for 2004? By Micheal Moore?.. he made alot of money off that BS too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadamustang View Post
    So was like that 911 film for 2004? By Micheal Moore?.. he made alot of money off that BS too!
    No, it was not a hit job.

    It was a factual timeline history of O from birth to now with documentation from his teachers, family, friends, aquaintences.

    Simply documented factual info.

    Watch so you have all info to decide, not the fake picture created by the media.

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    My decision will be based on the question Romney presented the other night.

    Are you better off today than you were four years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrym3 View Post
    My decision will be based on the question Romney presented the other night.

    Are you better off today than you were four years ago?
    ...or is our country better off today then it was 4yrs ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyBlackBeasts View Post
    No, it was not a hit job.

    It was a factual timeline history of O from birth to now with documentation from his teachers, family, friends, aquaintences.

    Simply documented factual info.

    Watch so you have all info to decide, not the fake picture created by the media.
    I saw it. You are exactly right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrym3 View Post
    My decision will be based on the question Romney presented the other night.

    Are you better off today than you were four years ago?
    Do you favor the Fed printing massive amounts of money, ( a/k/a Q.E.s are printed money which devalues peoples incomes and disproportionately negatively impacts the bottom 50%. http://www.marquetteassociates.com/R...ck-Market.aspx),, to push up equities at the costs of the working man?

    Per the Federal Reserve the only Group whose income is increasing is the Group that does not work. Under Obama's economic policies it pays not to work!
    Per the Federal Reserve between 2007-10 "...while the median real income fell 7.7% and retirees and non-workers incomes rose"!

    "The Fed survey found that the median value of family income, when adjusted for inflation and before taxes, fell by 7.7 percent — from $49,600 in 2007 to $45,800 in 2010. The median is the midpoint of all family income."

    "The decline in median income was widespread across demographic groups, with only a few groups experiencing stable or rising incomes," the Fed survey said. "Most noticeably, median incomes moved higher for retirees and other nonworking families."

    "Between 2007 and 2009, after-tax earnings by Americans in the top one percent for income fell 37 percent."
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    So Obama's dream is his father's dream? And his father's dream was to "downsize" America? HELL NO!!!
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    If you truly believe that things are worse now than 4 years ago you have a very short memory. Just a few things he has done....

    (1) stopped the use of torture to interogate prisoners, (2) Employers asked to review , develop, and update employee compensation to ensure its applied consistently and uniformly, (3) pay discrimination based on age, gender, race. national origin, age and disability prohibited, (4) 2010 real GDP increased by 3.4% due to stimulus spending, (5) tax credit of $400 per worked ($800 per couple) for middle income workers for 2009 & 2010 totaling $116 BILLION!

    Those are just a few of his accomplishments......
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    Quote Originally Posted by vkirkend View Post
    If you truly believe that things are worse now than 4 years ago you have a very short memory. Just a few things he has done....

    (1) stopped the use of torture to interogate prisoners, (2) Employers asked to review , develop, and update employee compensation to ensure its applied consistently and uniformly, (3) pay discrimination based on age, gender, race. national origin, age and disability prohibited, (4) 2010 real GDP increased by 3.4% due to stimulus spending, (5) tax credit of $400 per worked ($800 per couple) for middle income workers for 2009 & 2010 totaling $116 BILLION!

    Those are just a few of his accomplishments......
    I was just going to point this out.

    I and the country are no better off now than right after George W. got done with it - before the election in '08!
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    Ya know the thing about movies like that,, they just perpetuate the culture of divisional politics that has stagnated this country for too long now. Fortunately things like this and listening to all the punduits on both sides only engages the 3 to 5 percent of the folks.You know the birthers and the t party folks. The rest of the folks who are of any consequence are to busy getting busy and taking care of each other by working hard and moving this economy forward.But just like Krytin said..


    "I and the country are no better off now than right after George W. got done with it - before the election in '08!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkirkend View Post
    If you truly believe that things are worse now than 4 years ago you have a very short memory. Just a few things he has done....

    (1) stopped the use of torture to interogate prisoners, (2) Employers asked to review , develop, and update employee compensation to ensure its applied consistently and uniformly, (3) pay discrimination based on age, gender, race. national origin, age and disability prohibited, (4) 2010 real GDP increased by 3.4% due to stimulus spending, (5) tax credit of $400 per worked ($800 per couple) for middle income workers for 2009 & 2010 totaling $116 BILLION!

    Those are just a few of his accomplishments......
    How many "prisoners" has Obama taken? None, they kill them instead. US Special Forces are required to under go this same "torture". This so called tax credit RAIDED Social Security, accelerating it's demise. It applies to all who get a pay check over ~$1,500 per year regardless of how much they make.
    "..pay discrimination based on age, gender, race. national origin, age and disability prohibited.." - Obama passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act???? Obama passed the 1990 ADA??? Obama is a time traveler? Obama increased GDP by 3.4% at a cost of ~6.4% of GDP??? It would have had a greater increase in GDP if he would have just sent everyone a check!
    USA credit rating down graded, gasoline price doubled, 16mm more on Food Stamps, Unemployment 8.3%, $5 Trillion in NEW DEBT or $17,000 per person. Medicare to become insolvent in 12 years.

    8 Year Annual Average Clinton vs Bush
    Measurement 60 Year Post WW II Annual Average President Clinton President Bush
    8 Years Annual Average Unemployment 5.60% 5.21% 5.26%
    8 Years Annual Average Annual Deficit as a Percent of our Economy -1.70% -0.08% -2.00%
    8 Years Annual Average Public Debt as a Percent of our Economy 40.80% 44.90% 36.10%
    8 Years Annual Average Annual Tax Collections N/A $1.55 Trillion $2.14 Trillion
    8 Years Annual Average Spending as a Percent of our economy 19.90% 19.80% 19.60%

    3 Year Annual Average Clinton vs Bush vs Obama
    Measurement 60 Year Post WW II Annual Average President Clinton President Bush President Obama
    3 Years Annual Average Unemployment 5.60% 6.20% 5.50% 9.30%
    3 Years Annual Average Annual Deficit as a Percent of our Economy -1.70% -3.00% -1.20% -9.90%
    3 Years Annual Average Public Debt as a Percent of our Economy 40.80% 49.20% 33.90% 62.60%
    3 Years Annual Average Annual Tax Collections N/A $1.25 Trillion $1.88 Trillion $2.15 Trillion
    3 Years Annual Average Spending as a Percent of our economy 19.90% 21.00% 19.00% 24.70%

    Note: All Data is from the Government BLS and OMB
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    Quote Originally Posted by hadamustang View Post
    Ya know the thing about movies like that,, they just perpetuate the culture of divisional politics that has stagnated this country for too long now. Fortunately things like this and listening to all the punduits on both sides only engages the 3 to 5 percent of the folks.You know the birthers and the t party folks. The rest of the folks who are of any consequence are to busy getting busy and taking care of each other by working hard and moving this economy forward.But just like Krytin said..


    "I and the country are no better off now than right after George W. got done with it - before the election in '08!
    And Obama has made it WORSE, He him self said unemployment would not go above 8% and if he could not get it done in 3 years he would be OUT!

    By PATRICK H. CADDELL AND DOUGLAS E. SCHOEN

    During the election campaign, Barack Obama sought to appeal to the best instincts of the electorate, to a post-partisan sentiment that he said would reinvigorate our democracy. He ran on a platform of reconciliation—of getting beyond "old labels" of right and left, red and blue states, and forging compromises based on shared values.

    President Obama's Inaugural was a hopeful day, with an estimated 1.8 million people on the National Mall celebrating the election of America's first African-American president. The level of enthusiasm, the anticipation and the promise of something better could not have been more palpable.

    And yet, it has not been realized. Not at all.

    Rather than being a unifier, Mr. Obama has divided America on the basis of race, class and partisanship. Moreover, his cynical approach to governance has encouraged his allies to pursue a similar strategy of racially divisive politics on his behalf. The 'Beer Summit': President Barack Obama, right, and Vice President Joe Biden, left, have a beer with Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr., second from left, and Cambridge, Mass. police Sgt. James Crowley in the Rose Garden of the White House, July 30, 2009.

    We have seen the divisive approach under Republican presidents as well—particularly the administrations of Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now. By dividing America, Mr. Obama has brought our government to the brink of a crisis of legitimacy, compromising our ability to address our most important policy issues.

    We say this with a heavy heart. Both of us share the president's stated vision of what America can and should be. The struggle for equal rights has animated both of our lives. Both of us were forged politically during the crucible of the civil rights movement. Having worked in the South during the civil rights movement, and on behalf of the ground-breaking elections of African-American mayors such as David Dinkins, Harold Washington and Emanuel Cleaver, we were deeply moved by Mr. Obama's election.

    The first hint that as president Mr. Obama would be willing to interject race into the political dialogue came last July, when he jumped to conclusions about the confrontation between Harvard Prof. Henry Louis "Skip" Gates and the Cambridge police.

    During a press conference, the president said that the "Cambridge police acted stupidly," and he went on to link the arrest with the "long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

    In truth, the Gates incident appears to have had nothing to do with race—a Cambridge review committee that investigated the incident ruled on June 30 that there was fault on both sides.

    Sen. Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.) has said the president told him in a closed-door meeting that he would not move to secure the border with Mexico unless and until Congress reached a breakthrough on comprehensive immigration reform. That's another indication Mr. Obama is willing to continue to play politics with hot-button issues.

    Add in the lawsuit against the Arizona immigration law and it's clear the Obama administration is willing to run the risk of dividing the American people along racial and ethnic lines to mobilize its supporters—particularly Hispanic voters, whose backing it needs in the fall midterm elections and beyond.

    As the Washington Post reported last week, two top White House strategists, speaking on condition of anonymity, have indicated that "the White House plans to use the immigration debate to punish the GOP and aggressively seek the Latino vote in 2012."

    On an issue that has gotten much less attention, but is potentially just as divisive, the Justice Department has pointedly refused to prosecute three members of the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation at the polls on Election Day 2008.

    It is the job of the Department of Justice to protect all American voters from voter discrimination and voter intimidation—whether committed by the far right, the far left, or the New Black Panthers. It is unacceptable for the Department of Justice to continue to stonewall on this issue.

    During the 2008 presidential campaign, Mr. Obama's campaign emphasized repeatedly that his minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was being unfairly stereotyped because of racially incendiary sound bites that allegedly did not reflect the totality of his views. In the Gates incident and others, Mr. Obama has resorted to similar forms of stereotyping.

    Even the former head of the Civil Rights Commission, Mary Frances Berry, acknowledged that the Obama administration has taken to polarizing America around the issue of race as a means of diverting attention away from other issues, saying: "the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. . . . Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness."
    The president had a unique opportunity to focus on overarching issues of importance to whites and blacks. He has failed to address the critical challenges. He has not used his bully pulpit to emphasize the importance of racial unity and the common interest of poor whites and blacks who need training, job opportunities, and the possibility of realizing the American Dream. He hasn't done enough to address youth unemployment—which in the white community is 23.2% and in the black community is 39.9%.

    Mr. Obama has also cynically divided the country on class lines. He has taken to playing the populist card time and time again. He bashes Wall Street and insurance companies whenever convenient to advance his programs, yet he has been eager to accept campaign contributions and negotiate with these very same banks and corporations behind closed doors in order to advance his political agenda.

    Finally, President Obama also exacerbated partisan division, and he has made it clear that he intends to demonize the Republicans and former President George W. Bush in the fall campaign. In April, the Democratic National Committee released a video in which the president directly addressed his divide-and-conquer campaign strategy, with an appeal to: "young people, African-Americans, Latinos, and women who powered our victory in 2008 [to] stand together once again."


    President Obama's divisive approach to governance has weakened us as a people and paralyzed our political culture. Meanwhile, the Republican leadership has failed to put forth an agenda that is more positive, unifying or inclusive. We are stronger when we debate issues and purpose, and we are all weaker when we divide by race and class. We will pay a price for this type of politics.

    Mr. Caddell served as a pollster for President Jimmy Carter. Mr. Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "The Political Fix" (Henry Holt, 2010).
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    Per the Pony Fed

    I am much better off than I was four years ago

    I am making much more money, have a good job, got supercharged and no longer waste my time trying to convince one side that they are just as guilty of pulling the same skewed political crap that the other side is

    I won't vote for Romney because he isn't running with what he actually believes

    He believes in Obamacare, and I don't want to hear the bull that it was only good for a state and not a country

    He doesn't agree with the tea party as he is much more progressive, instead he bows to the base by selecting Ryan as a running mate. Why not select who you really wanted?

    Republicans would never vote for the President, so why not be the progressive candidate you are and get the independents so you can win this thing?

    He could have been a country unifier, instead he's going to continue placating to the tea party telling them what they want to hear

    In answer to the question is the country better off, this is totally subjective. The Obama bashers will say no, the supporters yes. Sailsmen will google a ton of crap from one of the 4 million reports made public, list a boatload of stats, that will go no where cause no one in this day and age will read a four page post

    Vote for who you want to vote for, it's a personal decision based on personal beliefs.

    Bash all you want, it won't change a damn thing on this board or forum. Many people on this forum have proved they can't discuss it like adults, and yet these political threads keep getting created and shut down

    When talking politics, we are talking about people's beliefs and about what effects their lives. Respect the other point of view. Because it effects everyone's lives of course the topic is personal and volatile. I suggest we don't discuss it here, if you are interested there are many political forums to join


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